Current Events > Dr. Fauchi warns of 'anti-science bias' being a problem in US

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/politics/anthony-fauci-coronavirus-anti-science-bias/index.html

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#bunkerboys america

Who is president again?

Well, duh. Tell us something we don't know.

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Wasn't this the same guy who claimed Tinder hookup orgies were OK but church was not?

And that we didn't need masks but now we do?

Very hard to figure out why some don't take his opinions seriously...

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Scientists have an agenda. Thats why I listen to our President instead.

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TaiIs82 posted...

Wasn't this the same guy who claimed Tinder hookup orgies were OK

What
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Um, gee, I wonder why "anti-science" is a thing. The virus was a dangerous factor during the small and scattered anti-lockdown protests but health officials are ok with the BLM police protests. We see your bias and will not submit to your medical tyranny.

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No shit

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Kolibri X posted...

Um, gee, I wonder why "anti-science" is a thing. The virus was a dangerous factor during the small and scattered anti-lockdown protests but health officials are ok with the BLM police protests. We see your bias and will not submit to your medical tyranny.

Right, right, you weren't denying science before the virus or anything.

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lmao, its ALWAYS been a problem, its just getting to ridiculous levels now because everyone else is embracing science while we seem to be stuck in a mindset of it being more dangerous than essential oils and prayer.

Also why do people still respond to this kolibir guy

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Yeah, says the dude who actively suppressed information in the 80s about AIDS, endangering millions, and exposing even more to the virus because of it.

This dude is just as dirty as any politician is. His sole focus is profit, even at the expense of human life, so pardon me for thinking he can fuck off when he tries to act like he gives a shit about people falling ill or dying. Some of the rhetoric hes pushed since this pandemic was anti-science. Nobody should trust this guy.

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Guide posted...

Right, right, you weren't denying science before the virus or anything.

Sure, not you either, only when politically convenient. When something gets you in the feels.

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Dont look any further than our President.

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Kolibri X posted...

Sure, not you either, only when politically convenient. When something gets you in the feels.

Go ahead and name when I've ever denied science.

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The US is still pretending to have a debate about Climate Change despite the fact that climate change is happening and affected by humans has been considered scientific fact for 40+ years now.

Anti-science bias isn't a risk in the US, its the mainstream culture.

Kolibri X posted...

Um, gee, I wonder why "anti-science" is a thing. The virus was a dangerous factor during the small and scattered anti-lockdown protests but health officials are ok with the BLM police protests. We see your bias and will not submit to your medical tyranny.

Bro youre supposed to shit in the toilet.

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Kolibri X posted...

medical tyranny

LMAO

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Tactical_Spork posted...

Bro youre supposed to shit in the toilet.

Can't even defend their hypocrisy. Just pathetic.

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guy was getting death threats for disagreeing with trump from utter smoothbrains, not surprising he wants to speak up about it

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Kolibri X posted...

Um, gee, I wonder why "anti-science" is a thing. The virus was a dangerous factor during the small and scattered anti-lockdown protests but health officials are ok with the BLM police protests. We see your bias and will not submit to your medical tyranny.

What the fuck are you talking about?

https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-concerned-about-george-floyd-protests-could-lead-to-coronavirus-spike-but-no-comment-on-trump-rallies-174850311.html

Did you have a real point?

Oh and you missed the greater point in why some medical, emphasis on some since you think that means you can disregard all scientists, said protests were alright. I'm sure you are going to be here wanting me to explain it to you, but it's not that hard and if you can't figure it out on your own then you are willfully dense and can't see the difference between the two rallies.

and kolibri was never heard from again lmfao

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Sewage posted...

What the fuck are you talking about?

Listen up. Because I'm not going to spoon feed you my point a third fucking time.

Thousands of health professionals have expressed unequivocal support in an open letter for the BLM protests when a month earlier they harshly scolded protesters who were upset about the lockdown which decimated the economy and put millions out of work. They gave no shits about those peoples concerns or rights. Some people were even arrested for gathering in public or trying to reopen their business. It's a stark contrast and a political one when they were once dangerous and life threatening that warranted arrest. Now many governors and state health officals support the protest gatherings and downplay the risks. They can try to spin and justify it all they want, but it's hypocrital and it's the reason why people lose faith in their institutions and health professionals.

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N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

Yeah, says the dude who actively suppressed information in the 80s about AIDS, endangering millions, and exposing even more to the virus because of it.

This dude is just as dirty as any politician is. His sole focus is profit, even at the expense of human life, so pardon me for thinking he can fuck off when he tries to act like he gives a shit about people falling ill or dying. Some of the rhetoric hes pushed since this pandemic was anti-science. Nobody should trust this guy.

Yup, and there's definitely grounds for not trusting Fauci, when people like Judy Mikovits get totally censored and slandered all over the internet. If she was wrong, why go to all the trouble to arrest her and jail her without a warrant and charges?

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Its good of him to warn us on this. Too bad he didn't warn about corona spreading during nationwide protests.

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kolibri is a troll, guys.

mark him and move on

Xenozoa425 posted...

Yup, and there's definitely grounds for not trusting Fauci, when people like Judy Mikovits get totally censored and slandered all over the internet. If she was wrong, why go to all the trouble to arrest her and jail her without a warrant and charges?

You're pretty deep into the rabbit hole just by bringing up her name, yet you're lying by saying there were no charges.

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GregShmedley posted...

Do you have a source for his claims, since you're in agreement?

A man named Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, who is an MIT PhD scientist and biomechanical engineer, shares many of the same sentiments and claims as Judy Mikovits. Very intelligent, polite, and well-spoken man.

https://youtu.be/86VJlhw0DQQ

Guide posted...

You're pretty deep into the rabbit hole just by bringing up her name, yet you're lying by saying there were no charges.

To be totally honest, I have no idea if she was charged or not. There's almost zero information on that. Nothing completely credible.

But the amount of criticism that the video and her reputation are receiving should raise some eyebrows regardless. Never take what the mainstream says as the absolute truth, always do some research and be open to questioning and approaching things from different angles and trains of thought.

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And like a fart in the wind, toiletsnake and sewagemouth were never heard from again hahaha

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Hes not wrong.

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Considering dr. Fauci lied about the effectiveness of masks and said coronavirus was not an immediate concern he would know better than anyone.

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Kolibri X posted...

And like a fart in the wind, toiletsnake and sewagemouth were never heard from again hahaha

Because no one gives a shit about arguing with your sorry ass, get a hint

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Most scientists knew masks worked. Early on Nature published a paper on the effectiveness of masks against Coronavirus from University of Hong Kong. This was before it became a big problem in most of the West. The anti-mask thing wasn't coming from scientists actually studying the virus, it was coming from Western culture. The belief in Western superiority cost a lot of lives, because the idea that the things East Asian countries are doing might actually work was too much to accept. They even claimed Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. were lying about their numbers and secretly had tons of dead people. It wasn't until recently that they've finally begun accepting they actually did things effectively, but studies have been coming out this entire time on the effectiveness of masks.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

A man named Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, who is an MIT PhD scientist and biomechanical engineer, shares many of the same sentiments and claims as Judy Mikovits. Very intelligent, polite, and well-spoken man.

The guy can have all the degrees he wants, that won't change that he's a major crackpot. He claims to have invented email.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120427014952/http://americanhistory.si.edu/news/pressrelease.cfm?key=29&newskey=1465

To be totally honest, I have no idea if she was charged or not. There's almost zero information on that. Nothing completely credible.

But the amount of criticism that the video and her reputation are receiving should raise some eyebrows regardless. Never take what the mainstream says as the absolute truth, always do some research and be open to questioning and approaching things from different angles and trains of thought.

You don't make any sense. You made the claim that she wasn't charged, on the basis that you have no idea if she was charged or not?
You say there's almost zero info, but it was very easy to find.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/06/criminal-charges-dropped-against-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-researcher-judy-mikovits
https://web.archive.org/web/20120619012325/https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-mikovits-charges-main-20120615,0,7187208.story/
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/us/chronic-fatigue-researcher-wont-face-theft-charges.html?_r=1/#.TvNtBjUS01I

You're telling me to do research, but you don't appear to do even this level of basic research.

So you stated something without knowing about it, and didn't do the very easy work of finding out. At least you're honest about having no clue what you're talking about, that's a step up from the typical tinfoilers.

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Science is truth. Your gut is an unsupported opinion. Political analysts opinions are disclosed in the interest of the news companies making money. The point of science is finding knowledge with as much precision for truth as possible via lots and lots of tests and peer review. Predicting outcomes of events, such as a pandemic, is a goal of science having attained enough information from these tests and experiments to be more useful than not.

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ssjevot posted...

Most scientists knew masks worked. Early on Nature published a paper on the effectiveness of masks against Coronavirus from University of Hong Kong. This was before it became a big problem in most of the West. The anti-mask thing wasn't coming from scientists actually studying the virus, it was coming from Western culture. The belief in Western superiority cost a lot of lives, because the idea that the things East Asian countries are doing might actually work was too much to accept. They even claimed Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. were lying about their numbers and secretly had tons of dead people. It wasn't until recently that they've finally begun accepting they actually did things effectively, but studies have been coming out this entire time on the effectiveness of masks.

There is actually very little evidence anywhere to support that masks help stop the spread of the virus. The virus is way, way, way, way smaller than the thread gaps in a cloth mask or bandanna, for example. So if you cough with a mask on, it's still getting everywhere. Even if the mask blocks some "water droplets"---your breath can still carry viruses through it. Unless you have a plastic surgical mask. The best study I found in support of masks is the one linked in this very "scientific" Vanity Fair article....

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says

This article links us to a study that's not peer reviewed, did not measure anything about the virus but rather water droplets coming from a persons mouth. And somehow they have this 80% statistic. If you wonder why the American people are weary about science, that's not really the case....people are weary of the news twisting science.

Here are several articles showing masks don't help--and often make healthy people more immune compromised, especially if they work in food or retail where they *must* wear masks on all day.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

Not a peep about this research on Forbes, though, eh?

Here's another article here showing how media can exaggerate the effects of the virus:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-long-term-effects/story?id=69811566

Talks about he lasting effects of a persons health after recovering the virus. They make it seem like anyone who gets the virus could have lasting brain, heart or lung damage. What the article doesn't MENTION AT ALL is that the average age of person studied is in their 50's, and ALL of the people who had so called "lasting effects" (which, not sure how they arrived at this given that the study was done in March) were over 70 with pre-existing conditions, like heart problems, diabetes, etc. To find this information you have to find the study and read it yourself. Amazing how the article mentions nothing of the age of the subjects. OH and the age of persons affected with "lasting effects", even among the elderly, was low.

At any rate, it should be common knowledge that what we had was an overreaction. It's absolutely baffling why they locked healthy people up for months only to completely open up anyway, complete with arbitrary restrictions that killed the small business. It's naive to think those in power didn't use this to expand that power. Who made out like a bandit on this? Government got to make more people dependent on them, which will let them expand their power. Fast food chains miraculously all had their delivery/remote ordering programs in place in the past year and are LOVING that all of their walk-in competition is essentially dead. Walmart/Amazon/Media (mainly gaming) companies had some of their best numbers.

You can't just believe the "official CNN.COM" story any more, and that's not anti-science...in fact, in my opinion, it's very pro science.

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Guide posted...

The guy can have all the degrees he wants, that won't change that he's a major crackpot. He claims to have invented email.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120427014952/http://americanhistory.si.edu/news/pressrelease.cfm?key=29&newskey=1465

You don't make any sense. You made the claim that she wasn't charged, on the basis that you have no idea if she was charged or not?
You say there's almost zero info, but it was very easy to find.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/06/criminal-charges-dropped-against-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-researcher-judy-mikovits
https://web.archive.org/web/20120619012325/https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-mikovits-charges-main-20120615,0,7187208.story/
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/us/chronic-fatigue-researcher-wont-face-theft-charges.html?_r=1/#.TvNtBjUS01I

You're telling me to do research, but you don't appear to do even this level of basic research.

So you stated something without knowing about it, and didn't do the very easy work of finding out. At least you're honest about having no clue what you're talking about, that's a step up from the typical tinfoilers.

Those charges you dug up, and sourced--those are not the charges she refers to in the doc she did a couple months ago. So, i take it you havent checked it out? The charges she mentions in the documentary, she states to be off the record basically, and was under a gag-order. Those charges, and the gag order appear not to be able to be found, so im pretty sure thats what dude was talking about in reference to ''im not sure theres not much information on that''.

Also, will i provide links, etc to back up my claims? No. I dont feel like having this conversation for the umpteenth time with someone whom i know doesnt actually want to look into the information, or see things from an alternative perspective. You throwing ad-hominem attacks towards the PHd the other guy referred to, calling him a ''crackpot'', and then posting an archive link that backs up what you're calling him a crackpot for, doesnt exactly make me think you care to see the new information, but rather just want to argue against anything that isnt the status-quo, like a good little sheeple. Im not here to convince you...this is gamefaqs. Everyone on CE can eat shit and die for all i care, as well as this site. The information is there, the documentary with Judy is a good place to start...by all means, have at it--on your own volition. Again, im not here to convince anyone of anything. There are places on the internet where that type of discussion is preferred, and supported, and CE is not one of those places lol, so im not wasting any more energy on the topic than i already have typing this.

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F1areaGaman posted...

There is actually very little evidence anywhere to support that masks help stop the spread of the virus.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200612172200.htm (published in PNAS, not open access)

Yeah man the most prestigious scientific journals say they work but according to you only non-scientific sources say that. That the countries that have used them from the start have the death rates 1/100th of the West and just happen to have a mask wearing culture are nothing but coincidences. Why are Westerners so obsessed with hating masks? What is even the benefit of pushing this conspiracy?

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Odoylerules posted...

kolibri is a troll, guys.

mark him and move on

What? Did you read this:
Kolibri X posted...

Listen up. Because I'm not going to spoon feed you my point a third fucking time.

Thousands of health professionals have expressed unequivocal support in an open letter for the BLM protests when a month earlier they harshly scolded protesters who were upset about the lockdown which decimated the economy and put millions out of work. They gave no shits about those peoples concerns or rights. Some people were even arrested for gathering in public or trying to reopen their business. It's a stark contrast and a political one when they were once dangerous and life threatening that warranted arrest. Now many governors and state health officals support the protest gatherings and downplay the risks. They can try to spin and justify it all they want, but it's hypocrital and it's the reason why people lose faith in their institutions and health professionals.

Because he is absolutely right...

An example of this would be the fact that nobody can have more than 10 people at a funeral, or memorial service, however the funeral and memorial for George Floyd was thousands and thousands of people, not wearing masks, and sure as fuck not social distancing--the media didnt make a peep about any of it, and matter of fact basically said almost verbatim, that ''we support protests against racism and deem the protests safe to attend, however we do not support protests against stay at home orders, as they are rooted in white nationalism, and are not medically safe to attend''.

I dont feel like digging up the picture, but that shit was plastered on the screen on one of the news stations. Its blatant hypocrisy, and is about as Anti-Science as one could get. In my opinion there should be equal support for everything, as long as certain measures are taken--and that would be an unbiased way to go about it, instead medical professionals and the like are taking political sides, and politicizing something that has no business being politicized.

Anyways, idk what this dude said before that bothered you and made you think hes a troll--but the quote i provided is 100% accurate, and is not a troll.

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F1areaGaman posted...

You can't just believe the "official CNN.COM" story any more, and that's not anti-science...in fact, in my opinion, it's very pro science.

Also I don't regularly read and certainly don't care about most American news sources, so that doesn't apply to me.

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N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

Those charges you dug up, and sourced--those are not the charges she refers to in the doc she did a couple months ago. So, i take it you havent checked it out? The charges she mentions in the documentary, she states to be off the record basically, and was under a gag-order. Those charges, and the gag order appear not to be able to be found, so im pretty sure thats what dude was talking about in reference to ''im not sure theres not much information on that''.

Also, will i provide links, etc to back up my claims? No. I dont feel like having this conversation for the umpteenth time with someone whom i know doesnt actually want to look into the information, or see things from an alternative perspective. You throwing ad-hominem attacks towards the PHd the other guy referred to, calling him a ''crackpot'', and then posting an archive link that backs up what you're calling him a crackpot for, doesnt exactly make me think you care to see the new information, but rather just want to argue against anything that isnt the status-quo, like a good little sheeple. Im not here to convince you...this is gamefaqs. Everyone on CE can eat shit and die for all i care, as well as this site. The information is there, the documentary with Judy is a good place to start...by all means, have at it--on your own volition. Again, im not here to convince anyone of anything. There are places on the internet where that type of discussion is preferred, and supported, and CE is not one of those places lol, so im not wasting any more energy on the topic than i already have typing this.

"you sourced your claims, you must be wrong" is a spicy take if i ever heard one.

also, you forgot to switch accounts.

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Kolibri X posted...

Um, gee, I wonder why "anti-science" is a thing. The virus was a dangerous factor during the small and scattered anti-lockdown protests but health officials are ok with the BLM police protests. We see your bias and will not submit to your medical tyranny.

No they weren't.

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Guide posted...

The guy can have all the degrees he wants, that won't change that he's a major crackpot. He claims to have invented email.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120427014952/http://americanhistory.si.edu/news/pressrelease.cfm?key=29&newskey=1465

Do you have any proof that he is a liar? Have you done any actual research on him? Let me answer that for you: probably not. Because if you did, you'd know that early versions of "email" were essentially text messages, they lacked the complexities of an in-office paper mail system that was used by companies. Inbox, outbox, drafts, address books, all of those features had to be converted electronically and made into a format that was accessible to anyone. And Dr. Shiva was the first to do so, and was the first to get an official copyright document.

Guide posted...

You don't make any sense. You made the claim that she wasn't charged, on the basis that you have no idea if she was charged or not?
You say there's almost zero info, but it was very easy to find.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/06/criminal-charges-dropped-against-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-researcher-judy-mikovits
https://web.archive.org/web/20120619012325/https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-mikovits-charges-main-20120615,0,7187208.story/
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/us/chronic-fatigue-researcher-wont-face-theft-charges.html?_r=1/#.TvNtBjUS01I

You're telling me to do research, but you don't appear to do even this level of basic research.

So you stated something without knowing about it, and didn't do the very easy work of finding out. At least you're honest about having no clue what you're talking about, that's a step up from the typical tinfoilers.

The articles you're posting are from a different occurrence that happened in 2011. I have not seen the documentary myself, so of course I don't have the exact information that she herself claims. I have to do all my digging on different people and subjects that are related to this one.

I'm perfectly capable of doing my own research. You're the one that seems incapable of doing basic research, as you can't seem to find the courage to look past the status quo and learn that there are multiple perspectives to many things. Calling me tinfoil for having an unpopular opinion? That only leads me to believe you don't care to learn new things.

Guide posted...

"you sourced your claims, you must be wrong" is a spicy take if i ever heard one.

also, you forgot to switch accounts.

Not only do you not really care to try and learn something different, you think we're the same account. That only strengthens my case.

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Guide posted...

"you sourced your claims, you must be wrong" is a spicy take if i ever heard one.

also, you forgot to switch accounts.

Switch accounts? You're confused...you asked me for ''sources'' or whatever--and the other guy who agreed with me provided you some, and you responded to him. I simply was responding to the post you made responding to him. I dont have an alternate account, but if i did, i wouldnt need to switch back and fourth to provide links...i ignored your request for links initially, and when i chimed in to your conversation with dude, i replied that i wouldnt give links. What im saying is, i wouldnt give you links with my alt account either, if i had one.

Also, @Xenozoa425 i guess we both should just stop responding to this dude unless he speaks directly to one of us, because hes convinced we're alt accounts lol.

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Yeah @N3xtG3nGam3r I'm not gonna respond to him anymore either, there's no use in trying to reason with someone that already has their mind made up and refuses to be open to hearing different opinions and ideas.

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ssjevot posted...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200612172200.htm (published in PNAS, not open access)

Yeah man the most prestigious scientific journals say they work but according to you only non-scientific sources say that. That the countries that have used them from the start have the death rates 1/100th of the West and just happen to have a mask wearing culture are nothing but coincidences. Why are Westerners so obsessed with hating masks? What is even the benefit of pushing this conspiracy?

I'd love to see those prestigious scientific journals. The main reason I'm against them is because it basically will keep people in fear if healthy people everywhere are wearing masks. I also have asthma and have to wear one at work, and my doc's like, yeah in many cases masks are detrimental to the health of someone and it certainly applies to me. 8 hours a day while moving around a lot....the fact is, you're getting less oxygen in your blood and that's simply not good. After a busy shift I literally feel like i'm hungover, it's the same effect. The best thing you can do to keep yourself safe is take vitamins, diet, exercise and get outside in the sun. But the narrative is still "stay in as much as possible". I've never seen Dr. Fauci mention ANYTHING about keeping a healthy routine in your private life and that's puzzling. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact many supplements aren't controlled by big pharma <_<...I think most people aren't anti science. They don't trust a government program funded by an anti-population zillionaire. I don't think that makes them stupid or crazy.

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