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legendary_zell
06/15/20 11:26:11 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/outrage-video-police-mace-child-seattle-protest

The police maced a group of peaceful protesters including a child. They offered no assistance or apology. They later found the person that filmed the encounter and accused them of attacking a copy with a laser pointer and detained them for two days. All with absolutely no evidence or records and the offer that was allegedly attacked won't come forward.

This is from a "liberal" western city's police. Is this the institution people want to fund more? To give more resource and training and officers to? I don't think training would have fixed this.

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cjs28
06/15/20 11:29:43 AM
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Arresting the filmer and macing those adults was ridiculous.

....but was the kid heing a little shit tho and deserved to be maced? lol

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TopKekBro
06/15/20 11:31:00 AM
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Seeing the kid scream in pain legit pissed me off.

I better not come back to this topic because when the likes of dark prince or gobstoppers defend this bullshit I may reply something that could get me moderated
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Philoktetes
06/15/20 11:31:29 AM
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children aren't exempt from the law
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boxington
06/15/20 11:32:31 AM
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cjs28 posted...
but was the kid heing a little shit tho and deserved to be maced? lol
uhhh...

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scorpion41
06/15/20 11:36:31 AM
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Bringing a kid to a protest is asking for trouble. Hey heres an event where police might react badly to it and harm us. Lets bring little Suzy!

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Philoktetes
06/15/20 11:37:01 AM
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scorpion41 posted...
Bringing a kid to a protest is asking for trouble. Hey heres an event where police might react badly to it and harm us. Lets bring little Suzy!


this is victim blaming
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Zikten
06/15/20 11:56:51 AM
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cjs28 posted...
....but was the kid heing a little shit tho and deserved to be maced? lol

wtf why are giving benefit of a doubt and defending the adults but laughing at a 7 year old being hurt?

fuck off

the kid is 7. he probably doesn't even know what's going on. his parents took him. he didn't choose to go. and he was just standing with his parents. regardless of your opinion on the protests, a child is innocent and should not be shot in the face by a cop
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sktgamer_13dude
06/15/20 11:58:03 AM
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scorpion41 posted...
Bringing a kid to a protest is asking for trouble. Hey heres an event where police might react badly to it and harm us. Lets bring little Suzy!

Thats not a defense for macing a child.
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legendary_zell
06/15/20 12:01:46 PM
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Wow, the posts in this topic are shit.

scorpion41 posted...
Bringing a kid to a protest is asking for trouble. Hey heres an event where police might react badly to it and harm us. Lets bring little Suzy!

It seems like you're blaming the victim here and removing any agency or moral responsibility from the police. Nothing required them to mace a child at a peaceful protest. Children have been at protests throughout American history. It's only a problem when police make the choice to attack.

During the protests at Selma and all throughout the civil rights movement, would you have also been criticizing the demonstrators for bringing their children while saying nothing about the police that chose to water hose and loose dogs on them for peacefully protesting?

I note you also have nothing to say about agents of the state fabricating reasons to arrest and detain a citizen for filming their misconduct.

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PIITB415
06/15/20 12:02:57 PM
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Philoktetes posted...
this is victim blaming

No, this is idiot parenting and that should be blamed.

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legendary_zell
06/15/20 12:12:25 PM
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PIITB415 posted...
No, this is idiot parenting and that should be blamed.

Were the parents who brought theirs kids to protests dieing the Civil Rights Era bad parents who we should have blame instead of Bull Connor and Jim Clark?

Have anything to say about the police arresting someone and detaining them for days on false pretenses?

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Zikten
06/15/20 12:14:05 PM
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PIITB415 posted...
No, this is idiot parenting and that should be blamed.

yea but you are also blaming the actual victim. which isn;t the parents its the 7 year old child. you are excusing a 7 year old being assaulted just cause you think their parents are stupid.
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Annihilated
06/15/20 12:15:22 PM
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Who brings a 7 year old to a demonstration basically akin to poking a bear in the eyeball?
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marc55
06/15/20 12:16:16 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
Were the parents who brought theirs kids to protests dieing the Civil Rights Era bad parents who we should have blame instead of Bull Connor and Jim Clark?

Have anything to say about the police arresting someone and detaining them for days on false pretenses?

im not a big fan of protesters taking children knowing they will be in danger and not only from cops

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legendary_zell
06/15/20 12:20:05 PM
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Okay, people are doing this over and over. They don't see a problem with police almost disappearing a whisteblower or attacking children and peaceful protesters. Or they justice consider the entire protest illegitimate because they disagree that there's too much police brutality, especially against black people. Maybe they actively love it. But they don't want to attack the kid because they'd lose credibility. So they deflect entirely and attack the parents.

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cjs28
06/15/20 12:20:42 PM
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Zikten posted...
wtf why are giving benefit of a doubt and defending the adults but laughing at a 7 year old being hurt?

fuck off
lol

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legendary_zell
06/15/20 12:21:08 PM
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Annihilated posted...
Who brings a 7 year old to a demonstration basically akin to poking a bear in the eyeball?

Our police force is akin to a bear, but your problem is with the people saying we shouldn't have bears policing us?

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Annihilated
06/15/20 12:22:52 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
Our police force is akin to a bear, but your problem is with the people saying we shouldn't have bears policing us?

Oh I guess police should be meek and helpless little hamsters while the tigers run around unchecked. Gotcha.
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TopKekBro
06/15/20 12:23:48 PM
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PIITB415 posted...
No, this is idiot parenting and that should be blamed.

was this bad parenting? Absolutely!
was it dangerous to bring a kid to a protest? Absolutely!

does this justify someone thinking oh! A kid! Fresh young meat! Lets mace him in the face and give him a chemical burn LMAO #alllivesmatter? Hell no, thinking so is sick
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TopKekBro
06/15/20 12:25:03 PM
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Annihilated posted...
Oh I guess police should be meek and helpless little hamsters while the tigers run around unchecked. Gotcha.

if the tigers are not the ones biting young kids in the face, but the bears are, who is doing more harm?

and why wild a bear be meek against a tiger because he gets told not to eat the face of tiny human kids?
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Odoylerules
06/15/20 12:26:29 PM
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PIITB415 posted...
No, this is idiot parenting and that should be blamed.
what a cuckish answer
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Blue_Inigo
06/15/20 12:26:51 PM
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Annihilated posted...
Oh I guess police should be meek and helpless little hamsters while the tigers run around unchecked. Gotcha.
I know it's hard to watch a video with a boot in your mouth, but they maced a kid for no reason

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Tyranthraxus
06/15/20 12:27:36 PM
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Annihilated posted...
Who brings a 7 year old to a demonstration basically akin to poking a bear in the eyeball?

I'm not constitutionally guaranteed a right to poke a bear in the eyeball without having to worry about the immediate authority responding violently.

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Annihilated
06/15/20 12:27:55 PM
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TopKekBro posted...
if the tigers are not the ones biting young kids in the face, but the bears are, who is doing more harm?

and why wild a bear be meek against a tiger because he gets told not to eat the face of tiny human kids?

This, folks, is what we call a "runaway metaphor."
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ZMythos
06/15/20 12:31:00 PM
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Annihilated posted...
Oh I guess police should be meek and helpless little hamsters while the tigers run around unchecked. Gotcha.
Damn liberals and their..

*flips through notes*

Demanding that police not brutalize a 7 year old!

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Zikten
06/15/20 12:31:36 PM
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if you guys who think the kid was the blame can't see it that way, picture this

imagine YOU are 7. you wake up and your parents tell you that they are taking to you a fun event downtown today. you don't know what that means but you eat breakfast and get in the car. you get taken somewhere in the city and you and your parents are standing with a bunch of angry people holding signs. you start wondering when you can go home and play with your friends. just then something painful explodes in your face and you can't see and you are in agnony
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legendary_zell
06/15/20 12:50:44 PM
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Annihilated posted...
Oh I guess police should be meek and helpless little hamsters while the tigers run around unchecked. Gotcha.

Tigers like children and families at peaceful protests? And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's a gulf and a lot of free real estate between a hamster and a bear. Like maybe a human? Do you think the police could trying being one of those for a little bit? I'd even accept a bonobo or an orangutan at this point.

Who the F taught you how to debate? I see how you ended up with.....your entire ideology.


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sLaCkEr408___RJ
06/15/20 12:55:34 PM
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Seven year old and a face fill of mace.

That foo deserves a beat down
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Annihilated
06/15/20 1:00:25 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
Tigers like children and families at peaceful protests?

No, tigers like criminals who steal and murder.

legendary_zell posted...
I'd even accept a bonobo or an orangutan at this point.

That explains a lot.
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sktgamer_13dude
06/15/20 1:02:11 PM
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Annihilated posted...
Who brings a 7 year old to a demonstration basically akin to poking a bear in the eyeball?

Thats not a defense to macing a child.
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Annihilated
06/15/20 1:03:13 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Thats not a defense to macing a child.

No it's not, but worse things could easily happen in that environment. The macing is beside the point.
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Sackgurl
06/15/20 1:07:03 PM
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PIITB415 posted...
No, this is idiot parenting and that should be blamed.

a thing can be two things

Annihilated posted...
The macing is beside the point.

the macing was wrong

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legendary_zell
06/15/20 1:07:37 PM
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Annihilated posted...
No, tigers like criminals who steal and murder.

That explains a lot.

The protesters were not stealing or murdering. They were peacefully protesting police brutality and had police brutality committed against them.

Are you ever going to acknowledge the police brutality or the Gestapo tactics used on the person recording it or are you going to continue to deepthroat those boots and victim blame?

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Ruvan22
06/15/20 1:07:49 PM
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Annihilated posted...
No it's not, but worse things could easily happen in that environment. The macing is beside the point.

Maybe they believed the police would act reasonably and not mace without reason?
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Annihilated
06/15/20 1:09:46 PM
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Ruvan22 posted...
Maybe they believed the police would act reasonably and not mace without reason?

The police are not the only ones there. Protests are no place for children, especially anti police ones.
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legendary_zell
06/15/20 1:10:30 PM
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If you believe that it's near guaranteed that police will act with violence towards a protest, peaceful or otherwise, doesn't that mean that the protesters are right about the police being brutal and lawless?

@Annihilated @scorpion41

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ScazarMeltex
06/15/20 1:11:22 PM
#38:


scorpion41 posted...
Bringing a kid to a protest is asking for trouble. Hey heres an event where police might react badly to it and harm us. Lets bring little Suzy!
At least you are willing to admit that merely being around police is dangerous in and of itself.

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Annihilated
06/15/20 1:17:29 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
If you believe that it's near guaranteed that police will act with violence towards a protest, peaceful or otherwise, doesn't that mean that the protesters are right about the police being brutal and lawless?

If you DIDN'T believe police would react in a violent manner, then why do you protest in the first place? And if you DID believe they would act violently, why would you knowingly bring a small child right in the middle of it? Who the hell taught you to debate anyway?
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Ruvan22
06/15/20 1:22:21 PM
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Annihilated posted...
The police are not the only ones there. Protests are no place for children, especially anti police ones.

But the police WERE the ones who (unprovoked) maced them. So which is it - the police are trigger happy feral bears or rational/reasonable people? Where'd you learn to argue so poorly?

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legendary_zell
06/15/20 1:24:58 PM
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Annihilated posted...
If you DIDN'T believe police would react in a violent manner, then why do you protest in the first place? And if you DID believe they would act violently, why would you knowingly bring a small child right in the middle of it? Who the hell taught you to debate anyway?


You are the one arguing that police will inevitably be violent towards protesters as support for the idea that the parents and not the macers should be blamed for the macing. I am able to recognize that police are not always violent towards peaceful protesters because some of them have brains. You are the one asserting that they would and should act like bears. We've see many instances of police not escalating protests with unprovoked violence, and wonder of wonders, those protests tend to stay peaceful.

You can still justifiably consider the police brutal without expecting them to also attack children unprovoked. Attacking peaceful protesters is just one type of police brutality. It was added to the list because of actions like macing children, it wasn't the catalyst for the protest.

You are v bad at this.


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Barber102
06/15/20 1:29:21 PM
#42:


scorpion41 posted...
Bringing a kid to a protest is asking for trouble. Hey heres an event where police might react badly to it and harm us. Lets bring little Suzy!

While your not wrong the parents should not have brought their child as any sane parent wouldnt. The police are fucking wrong here and should not have used mace anywhere near a child. The police should not be instigating violence and creating more chaos. They should not be doing any of the shit they have been doing.

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legendary_zell
06/15/20 1:35:16 PM
#43:


Let's even take the kids out of it. Let's say the parents are terrible people who should be cast into the pits of heck. The police still maced peaceful protesters unprovoked and then treated the person who filmed that attack like a dissident in China or a South American fascist dictatorship.

People have many comments on the parents, but nothing to say about that police state behavior?

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Tyranthraxus
06/15/20 1:50:07 PM
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Precisely. The point of these actions isn't for control or punish people breaking the law. The point is to make people just not want to protest.

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sktgamer_13dude
06/15/20 2:04:55 PM
#45:


legendary_zell posted...
People have many comments on the parents, but nothing to say about that police state behavior?

Because they agree with the police and arent in the same group as the protestors.

I guarantee you that if the police maced the protestors wanting the economy back open, and some of them were kids, that the people arguing to mace children would be singing a different tune.
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legendary_zell
06/15/20 2:55:33 PM
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Straight up cowards defending fascist cowards on this board. When asked directly to defend their views, they run away. Not a scruple to be found among them, just the naked use and defence of violence and social control.

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SapphireClassic
06/15/20 2:57:33 PM
#47:


Philoktetes posted...
this is victim blaming

Its extremely bad parenting...

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Zikten
06/15/20 2:59:27 PM
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SapphireClassic posted...


Its extremely bad parenting...

and it's victim blaming. everyone is focusing on the parents and excusing that a 7 year old got shot in the face. you seem to not really care that much about the kid. the kid is the victim in all this, and he had no control over this event in his life. he was dragged by his parents, and a cop chose to aim purposely at him. the article says this. the cop went out of his way to aim for him on purpose
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justaguy3492
06/15/20 3:01:53 PM
#49:


scorpion41 posted...
Bringing a kid to a protest is asking for trouble. Hey heres an event where police might react badly to it and harm us. Lets bring little Suzy!

lmao, so they shouldn't bring their kids somewhere because the police might attack them. Do you realize how fucked that is?

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Sir Will
06/15/20 3:29:33 PM
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Zikten posted...
if you guys who think the kid was the blame can't see it that way, picture this

imagine YOU are 7. you wake up and your parents tell you that they are taking to you a fun event downtown today. you don't know what that means but you eat breakfast and get in the car. you get taken somewhere in the city and you and your parents are standing with a bunch of angry people holding signs. you start wondering when you can go home and play with your friends. just then something painful explodes in your face and you can't see and you are in agnony

Most, especially black kids, would have an idea of why they were there and what they were fighting for.
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