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ZeroX91
06/12/20 8:22:30 PM
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That show was pretty good dont know why I refused to watch it when it was airing. Was it on the same time as toonami or something?....kinda didnt give a shit about ang vs fire lord though the fight with azula was better. Maybe if it was Zuko and Iro verses Firelord it would have been better, would have had an actual emotinal investment in the fight

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
06/12/20 8:23:38 PM
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Iroh was supposed to have a bigger part in the finale, but it got cut when Mako died.

ZeroX91 posted...
dont know why I refused to watch it when it was airing
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Zikten
06/12/20 8:29:13 PM
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I loved the final fight. I still consider Aang's final battle with the Firelord to be one of the coolest final showdowns I have ever seen in anything.
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ZeroX91
06/12/20 8:35:22 PM
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Zikten posted...
I loved the final fight. I still consider Aang's final battle with the Firelord to be one of the coolest final showdowns I have ever seen in anything.
Ehh he turned into a shmup charater and firelord just kinda ran away like a coward, i feel like there were a lot of cooler fights thoughout the show.

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BLAKUboy
06/12/20 8:37:58 PM
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I know I didn't watch it originally because I just couldn't stand any of Nickelodeon's cartoons, so I had no reason to expect this one to not disappoint. Not sure if I regret the assumption, since I don't know if I'd have liked it as much if I couldn't binge it.

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EnragedSlith
06/12/20 8:44:24 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
That show was pretty good dont know why I refused to watch it when it was airing. Was it on the same time as toonami or something?....kinda didnt give a shit about ang vs fire lord though the fight with azula was better. Maybe if it was Zuko and Iro verses Firelord it would have been better, would have had an actual emotinal investment in the fight

There's plenty of emotional investment. Aang takes on the responsibility he's been running from for over 100 years and doesn't lose himself in the process. It's a less dramatic arc than Zuko's, but it's the central narrative of the story.

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 8:44:48 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
I know I didn't watch it originally because I just couldn't stand any of Nickelodeon's cartoons, so I had no reason to expect this one to not disappoint. Not sure if I regret the assumption, since I don't know if I'd have liked it as much if I couldn't binge it.
You kinda where im at with it

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refmon
06/12/20 8:45:18 PM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Iroh was supposed to have a bigger part in the finale, but it got cut when Mako died.
Why? The new VA sounded spot on

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monkmith
06/12/20 8:46:19 PM
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show had a bit too much fluff for my taste, and to be honest aang kind of annoyed me.

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 8:46:22 PM
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EnragedSlith posted...
There's plenty of emotional investment. Aang takes on the responsibility he's been running from for over 100 years and doesn't lose himself in the process. It's a less dramatic arc than Zuko's, but it's the central narrative of the story.
Has he been running from it for 100 years or was he just you know frozen. Was on his way to learn waterbending when he turned into an ice cube.

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 8:48:15 PM
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monkmith posted...
show had a bit too much fluff for my taste, and to be honest aang kind of annoyed me.
Annoyed me in season 1 and 3 liked him in 2.

Iroh and Sokka were my favorite charaters.

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EnragedSlith
06/12/20 8:48:46 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
Has he been running from it for 100 years or was he just you know frozen. Was on his way to learn waterbending when he turned into an ice cube.

He wasn't on his way to learn waterbending. He ran from the air temple because they were discussing escalating his training. Yes, he was frozen for 100 years, but that was 100 years he wasn't upholding his responsibility. And it's his fault. People suffered for it. The world changed for the worse because of it. This and his guilt are touched on pretty heavily throughout the show.

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Hayame Zero
06/12/20 8:50:53 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
That show was pretty good dont know why I refused to watch it when it was airing. Was it on the same time as toonami or something?
That's actually exactly why I felt indifferent about it when it came out. I remember a lot of people - even on Gamefaqs - saying it was Nickelodeon trying to rip-off anime and Toonami.

It actually ended up being better than most actual Japanese anime.

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BathroomWater
06/12/20 8:52:16 PM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Iroh was supposed to have a bigger part in the finale, but it got cut when Mako died.

I didnt know he had :(

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 8:53:33 PM
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EnragedSlith posted...
He wasn't on his way to learn waterbending. He ran from the air temple because they were discussing escalating his training. Yes, he was frozen for 100 years, but that was 100 years he wasn't upholding his responsibility. And it's his fault. People suffered for it. The world changed for the worse because of it. This and his guilt are touched on pretty heavily throughout the show.
I get it, but he never interacts with him till the fight imagine if say Hansolo had to fight Vader thats what it felt like if you get me

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blackhrt
06/12/20 8:55:01 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
Ehh he turned into a shmup charater and firelord just kinda ran away like a coward, i feel like there were a lot of cooler fights thoughout the show.

Thats the idea, villains trying to hide that they are cowardly on the inside. that firelords dad was a coward too letting his best friend die.

But glad to see another enjoyed one of the decent animated tv shows

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 8:56:21 PM
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Hayame Zero posted...
That's actually exactly why I felt indifferent about it when it came out. I remember a lot of people - even on Gamefaqs - saying it was Nickelodeon trying to rip-off anime and Toonami.

It actually ended up being better than most actual Japanese anime.
Yea. I feel like i was probably watching Naruto or some other trash like Mar or Zatch Bell which idk makes me feel embaressed by my past self i guess?

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EnragedSlith
06/12/20 8:57:36 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
I get it, but he never interacts with him till the fight imagine if say Hansolo had to fight Vader thats what it felt like if you get me

It's not really the same when Aang has been struggling with the concept of fighting the Firelord across the entire show. Han Solo doesn't give a fuck about Vader, so that would have been out of place.

Aang spends all this time wondering if he can defeat the Firelord and then realizes that Ozai is just a man. With a childhood, a family, hopes, dreams, fears, etc. That's his struggle.

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Slaya4
06/12/20 8:58:43 PM
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I agree that the final fight was a bit underwhelming, but the series as a whole is great.

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 8:59:32 PM
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blackhrt posted...
Thats the idea, villains trying to hide that they are cowardly on the inside. that firelords dad was a coward too letting his best friend die.

But glad to see another enjoyed one of the decent animated tv shows
Idk azula just feels like a better big bad...speaking of so did they like kill her or what? We see firelord being a little pissbaby in jail but nothing from her after the chained tempertantrum

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COVxy
06/12/20 9:00:31 PM
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Watched it recently. It was okay. Kinda like a really shitty shallow version of Naruto.

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MorganTJ
06/12/20 9:04:28 PM
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Final fights in any martial arts series with magic tend to downplay the choreography to show off the new power levels, so you're fine with criticizing the fight for that or if you weren't a fan of the emotional payoff for that fight. Also they address what happened with Azula in the comics IIRC.
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IShall_Run_Amok
06/12/20 9:05:33 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
That show was pretty good dont know why I refused to watch it when it was airing.
The main character had an arrow on his head.

I noped out of the whole show for years for exactly that reason.

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BathroomWater
06/12/20 9:07:13 PM
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COVxy posted...
Watched it recently. It was okay. Kinda like a really shitty shallow version of Naruto.

LMAO fuck outta here

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dave_is_slick
06/12/20 9:09:18 PM
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COVxy posted...
Watched it recently. It was okay. Kinda like a really shitty shallow version of Naruto.
This triggers me on every level imaginable.

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blackhrt
06/12/20 9:11:47 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
Idk azula just feels like a better big bad...speaking of so did they like kill her or what? We see firelord being a little pissbaby in jail but nothing from her after the chained tempertantrum

well no one was "bad" from the beginning (except maybe Combustion Man). you've watched every episode...so you see how she had slowly let her internalizing of loss & her environment she was living in take its toll on her.

Some of the reaction videos are pretty interesting when people saw how real avatar got. :P

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 9:16:18 PM
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blackhrt posted...
well no one was "bad" from the beginning (except maybe Combustion Man). you've watched every episode...so you see how she had slowly let her internalizing of loss & her environment she was living in take its toll on her.

Some of the reaction videos are pretty interesting when people saw how real avatar got. :P
Naw she was at the very least bpd potentially a full blown psychopath. We see her getting off to the emotional pain she inflicts on Zuko when she is what 8 at the oldest? Hell even her friends were terrified of her and too the first chance to flip sides

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Esrac
06/12/20 9:18:00 PM
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COVxy posted...
Watched it recently. It was okay. Kinda like a really shitty shallow version of Naruto.

This take is so dumb that I don't believe you're being sincere.
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COVxy
06/12/20 9:20:06 PM
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Man you people are uptight about your cartoons lol.

Neither are particularly deep or masterful. But Naruto has a more enriched world, both physically and politically. Which makes complete sense since the series is about 10x as long or something.

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 9:21:00 PM
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COVxy posted...
Man you people are uptight about your cartoons lol.

Neither are particularly deep or masterful. But Naruto has a more enriched world, both physically and politically. Which makes complete sense since the series is about 10x as long or something.
90% of Shippuden is filler man

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COVxy
06/12/20 9:21:44 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
90% of Shippuden is filler man

Who the fuck told you to watch the filler?

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 9:22:28 PM
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COVxy posted...
Who the fuck told you to watch the filler?
Cartoon Network did

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BLAKUboy
06/12/20 9:26:00 PM
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Quality > Quantity
Naruto mostly sucked after the Chuunin exam. And everything after Sasori was absolute garbage. Avatar was great from start to finish.

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blackhrt
06/12/20 9:31:03 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
Quality > Quantity
Naruto mostly sucked after the Chuunin exam. And everything after Sasori was absolute garbage. Avatar was great from start to finish.

avatar the last airbender was actually bothering to develop characters across multiple arcs, in small and major ways. they created a world & paced it so you could absorb what you watched.

And TC may need to rewatch a few episodes :P

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Dingydang166
06/12/20 9:31:56 PM
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I thought the final battle was great but was kinda disappointed how it turned out. Aang ended up just using the Avatar state and it was done. I guess I just don't really like the Avatar state in general. It just felt like he got rocked by Ozai, called his boys in for backup, and then they beat Ozai's ass with a lead pipe.
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blackhrt
06/12/20 9:34:57 PM
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well I guess not everyone likes the good guy to win in the end....

they want the Bane ending with death everywhere??

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ZeroX91
06/12/20 9:37:51 PM
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blackhrt posted...
well I guess not everyone likes the good guy to win in the end....

they want the Bane ending with death everywhere??
It was just a boring fight not like i was rooting for the villians

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
06/12/20 10:10:50 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
It was just a boring fight not like i was rooting for the villians
The build up was where all the hype was at back at launch.

I still remember Aang and Momo facing off against the entire fire nation fleet by themselves. Shit was epic as fuck.
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EnragedSlith
06/13/20 9:35:23 AM
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Dingydang166 posted...
I thought the final battle was great but was kinda disappointed how it turned out. Aang ended up just using the Avatar state and it was done. I guess I just don't really like the Avatar state in general. It just felt like he got rocked by Ozai, called his boys in for backup, and then they beat Ozai's ass with a lead pipe.

This is, like, the whole fucking point of Aangs arc.

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averagejoel
06/13/20 9:45:36 AM
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COVxy posted...
Man you people are uptight about your cartoons lol.

Neither are particularly deep or masterful. But Naruto has a more enriched world, both physically and politically. Which makes complete sense since the series is about 10x as long or something.
yes, naruto has an interesting world that's more fleshed out than avatar's

but naruto's storytelling is not nearly on the level of avatar's

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Drpooplol
06/13/20 9:45:55 AM
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ZeroX91 posted...
Naw she was at the very least bpd potentially a full blown psychopath. We see her getting off to the emotional pain she inflicts on Zuko when she is what 8 at the oldest? Hell even her friends were terrified of her and too the first chance to flip sides
Azula was not BPD, lmao

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Vermander
06/13/20 9:55:04 AM
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Drpooplol posted...
Azula was not BPD, lmao

As a person who has a close friend who is BPD, I can tell you Azula is most definitely BPD.

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stoltenberg11
06/13/20 10:00:21 AM
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Hayame Zero posted...
That's actually exactly why I felt indifferent about it when it came out. I remember a lot of people - even on Gamefaqs - saying it was Nickelodeon trying to rip-off anime and Toonami.

It actually ended up being better than most actual Japanese anime.
Haha yeah that' skinda funny. I don't know if I've ever seen a single anime I thought was better than TLA. HxH is real close I guess.

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Drpooplol
06/13/20 10:03:03 AM
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Vermander posted...
As a person who has a close friend who is BPD, I can tell you Azula is most definitely BPD.
As someone whose wife is BPD, I can tell you Azula is not BPD. Azula is too cold and clearly lacks empathy throughout most of the show. Yes she develops paranoia towards the end and had large mood changes, but there's a LOT more to BPD than that.

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averagejoel
06/13/20 10:14:34 AM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
Haha yeah that' skinda funny. I don't know if I've ever seen a single anime I thought was better than TLA. HxH is real close I guess.
nen might be the most interesting power system in a fictional work. bending (and other power systems, like Quirks) has a more interesting way of integrating that power system into the society though.

also the HxH anime has a couple major shortcomings as an adaptation, while Avatar doesn't have that issue since it was a cartoon the whole time

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YookaLaylee
06/13/20 10:17:24 AM
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I only watched it up to the beginning of the Yorknew arc, but I thought Hunter x Hunter was kind of boring. Nothing about it stood out to me. Its not as generic as something like Black Clover but it didnt really do anything for me

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Vermander
06/13/20 10:21:37 AM
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Drpooplol posted...
As someone whose wife is BPD, I can tell you Azula is not BPD. Azula is too cold and clearly lacks empathy throughout most of the show. Yes she develops paranoia towards the end and had large mood changes, but there's a LOT more to BPD than that.

  1. Fear of abandonment? - Check
  2. Emotional instability? - Check
  3. The paranoia you already mentioned - Check
  4. Impulsive behavior - Check: She does and says whatever she wants with little concern for consequences.
  5. Mood swings - Check
  6. Inappropriate anger - absolutely
  7. Suicidal tendencies - This is iffy, but we definitely saw her lose the will to live when she was made vulnerable.


This is further deepened by the fact she shows potential for empathy at multiple points, but masks it an coldness. One thing I personally related to (albeit less extreme) is the way she would overreact to small slights.


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ZeroX91
06/13/20 10:23:19 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
I only watched it up to the beginning of the Yorknew arc, but I thought Hunter x Hunter was kind of boring. Nothing about it stood out to me. Its not as generic as something like Black Clover but it didnt really do anything for me
Yorknew is my favorite arc kurapika brings a shovel to his big fight

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Drpooplol
06/13/20 11:26:33 AM
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Fear of abandonment? - Check
Emotional instability? - Check
The paranoia you already mentioned - Check

Yes these are all present. A key difference, however, is that there are logical explanations for all of the behavior. She was in complete control of her emotions (largely, as far as I can recall), up until the point where May and Ty Lee actively betray her in a major way. People with BPD have all of those you mentioned, but they are largely irrational. My wife heard me talking with her best friend while my wife was in the bathroom; as a result she thought we were plotting to abandon her and "take her down". Neither of us have ever done anything to suggest that would ever be a possibility. One time my wife came down with the flu and was convinced that someone at the facility who makes her psych meds had poisoned her meds for no reason whatsoever. That is the type of paranoia and fear of abandonment that come with BPD.

Azula was clearly losing it at the end of the series, but she experienced major trauma which could explain it, especially with how high-strung of a person she was and the political position she was in.

And as far as empathy is concerned, she never expresses it. You say she shows the potential for it? An average neurotypical person does much more than show the potential for empathy, and people with BPD typically have an INSANE amount of empathy. That is still the biggest proof to me that she does not have BPD.

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