Current Events > Joe Biden: we should give the police more funding

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/06/10/biden-root-out-systemic-racism-not-just-divisive-trump-talk-column/5327631002/

For too long, black Americans have lived with a knee on their neck not only institutional violence, but daily injustices like having the police called for sitting in a coffee shop or watching birds in the park. I support the proposal pending in New York to enhance penalties for making a false 911 call based on race, gender or religion. No one should be subjected to that kind of discrimination, ever.

We should also be directing our resources to actively undo the negative effect systemic racism has had on opportunities for black Americans. For example, African American entrepreneurs are rejected for loans at a rate nearly 20% higher than white entrepreneurs, and when they do receive funding, it's far less. So we should prioritize support for mission-driven lenders in low-income communities by doubling the State Small Business Credit Initiative. We should expand the New Markets Tax Credit to funnel billions in investments into communities that need it. And, the Small Business Administration should expand its programs that are most effective at helping launch black-owned businesses.

For most Americans, home ownership is the key to financial stability and building generational wealth. Today, the gap between African American and white homeownership is larger than it was in the late 1960s. We have to give local officials the tools to combat gentrification, end discriminatory lending practices, and eliminate exclusionary zoning laws designed to keep low-income people and people of color out of certain communities.

President Trump has actively undermined progress on all these issues, including suspending the Obama-Biden administrations rule on Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, which required communities to proactively examine housing patterns and identify and address policies that have a discriminatory effect.

We should be working with state, local and tribal school leaders, as well as the presidents of Historically Black Colleges and Universities, Tribal Colleges and Universities, and Minority Serving Institutions to develop plans for improving teacher diversity, solving the student debt crisis, and investing in these historically-underfunded institutions that are critical to our national success.

Across the board from our classrooms to our courtrooms to the presidents Cabinet we have to make sure that our leadership and our institutions actually look like America.

And, we must urgently address the abuse of power in police departments. I commend the leaders in the Democratic Party in Congress for proposing legislation that includes vital reforms: banning chokeholds, ensuring prosecutors in police-involved killings are independent, collecting data regarding police use of force and violations of use of force standards, and requiring training for officers regarding racial and religious bias and their duty to intervene if another officer is abusing his or her power.

If state and local governments fail to make necessary changes, the Department of Justice must have subpoena power for pattern or practice investigations into systemic misconduct by police departments and force these departments to reform.

While I do not believe federal dollars should go to police departments that are violating peoples rights or turning to violence as the first resort, I do not support defunding police. The better answer is to give police departments the resources they need to implement meaningful reforms, and to condition other federal dollars on completing those reforms.

Ive long been a firm believer in the power of community policinggetting cops out of their cruisers and building relationships with the people and the communities they are there to serve and protect. Thats why Im proposing an additional $300 million to reinvigorate community policing in our country. Every single police department should have the money they need to institute real reforms like adopting a national use of force standard, buying body cameras, and recruiting more diverse police officers.

And, we need to prevent 911 calls in scenarios where police should not be our first responders. That means making serious investments in mental health services, drug treatment and prevention programs, and services for people experiencing homelessness. That may also mean having social service providers respond to calls with police officers.

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ok boomer

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Diamond Joe's the most incredibly efficient, most competent, self-sabotaging politician of the last 20 years. Idiot needs gorilla tape wrapped around his mouth.

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Jagr_68 posted...

Diamond Joe's the most incredibly efficient, most competent, self-sabotaging politician of the last 20 years. Idiot needs gorilla tape wrapped around his mouth.

He is paid to lose

jeffhardyb0yz posted...

who was that user that said all Biden needs to do is shut the f*** up to not ruin his chances against Trump?

everybody

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I wish joe biden would go away

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Be quiet, Biden! Don't let the minorities know we're going to continue racism under your administration! We need to get a racist out of the hwhite house!

But seriously: join me in voting out all incumbents down ballot, and voting third party for the Presidency.

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Did people think that mandatory body cams, additional training, and additional oversight were all going to come free to departments?

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Relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

Antifar posted...

Ive long been a firm believer in the power of community policinggetting cops out of their cruisers and building relationships with the people and the communities they are there to serve and protect. Thats why Im proposing an additional $300 million to reinvigorate community policing in our country. Every single police department should have the money they need to institute real reforms like adopting a national use of force standard, buying body cameras, and recruiting more diverse police officers.

And, we need to prevent 911 calls in scenarios where police should not be our first responders. That means making serious investments in mental health services, drug treatment and prevention programs, and services for people experiencing homelessness. That may also mean having social service providers respond to calls with police officers.

This isn't a bad idea however Ofc the only thing people will take away from it is "he wants to fund the police more"

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Joe Biden wrote 1994 crime bill that accelerated prison industrial complex so at he's being true to himself.

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s0nicfan posted...

Did people think that mandatory body cams, additional training, and additional oversight were all going to come free to departments?

$300 million dollars is, like, a drop in the bucket for big-city police departments that spearhead many high-profile cases of brutality and murder. So it doesn't really make much sense by that logic: it's pure "virtue" signalling.
Mostly to cops that nothing fundamentally will change.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands
A reminder that Chicago PD ran an illegal black site for years. It saw some of its heaviest utilization under Mayor Rahm Emmanuel, now a top Biden advisor.

Can we still hide him when he's president.

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Krojen posted...

Can we still hide him when he's president.

After the near hourly Trump talk for the past 5 years, it'll be a welcome break

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So, after reading the blurb, Biden is saying he would support fairly sweeping reforms of American policing but doesn't support taking as massive of a step as some people vocally want, and that's enough to make people here to be mad at him?

Hasnt that been his entire campaign?

XYZ Voters: Support X,Y, and Z!
Biden: I support X and Y, but not Z.
Trump: Fuck all three of those issues.
XYZ Voters: Fucking Biden!!!!!

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More funding and teach them how to shoot people in the legs, lets go Joe!

The Democrats been lost my vote. Good luck in November. I'm either going third party or sitting out

s0nicfan posted...

Did people think that mandatory body cams, additional training, and additional oversight were all going to come free to departments?

Yes they do think that
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I agree.

The logic of "let's lower the wages of police and get rid of half of them, that'll improve performance " is crazy
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Godnorgosh posted...

People are definitely questioning the efficacy of more body cams and more training. Many large cities already invest massively in their police departments vs. other public institutions, and so far that's gotten us... here.

Its exposed a lot.
Just because it hasn't fixed the issue doesn't mean we should abandon them.

We need to hold officers accountable when they turn their cameras off and if the camera "malfunctions" then all charges involving possession of drugs should be dropped unless there's other (uninterrupted) body cam footage.

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Whats wrong with that

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K181 posted...

So, after reading the blurb, Biden is saying he would support fairly sweeping reforms of American policing but doesn't support taking as massive of a step as some people vocally want, and that's enough to make people here to be mad at him?

Hasn't that been his entire campaign?

XYZ Voters: Support X,Y, and Z!
Biden: I support X and Y, but not Z.
Trump: Fuck all three of those issues.
XYZ Voters: Fucking Biden!!!!!

When "Z" most often represents actual, meaningful change, you dont get to play the "buhhhh mah reasonable!@@$;&" card.

Moderates cant, havent, and wont fix shit. So either get on board or shut your fucking mouth.

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wackyteen posted...

This isn't a bad idea however Ofc the only thing people will take away from it is "he wants to fund the police more"

It is a bad idea, because it's giving cops more to do when we need to be giving cops less to do.

Pretend it's an RPG, no one wants the jack of all trades. You want specialized classes to round out your party. We ask cops to do too much and as a result we have shutdown so much other public funding to only give it to the cops and ask them to pick up the slack.

Asking cops to do more = more cops = more bad cops = more bad cops the unions will protect.

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CommonJoe posted...

When "Z" most often represents actual, meaningful change, you dont get to play the "buhhhh mah reasonable!@@$;&" card.

Moderates cant, havent, and wont fix shit. So either get on board or shut your fucking mouth.

Defunding the police won't magically fix everything either.

Its going to take decades worth of sustained effort to make effective change. Defunding the police now will only cause something bad to happen and you'll see a snap back and might see even increased police brutality.

We have to take this shit slow or we risk ruining it

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shockthemonkey posted...

https://news.yahoo.com/sanders-dismisses-progressive-calls-defund-195628874.html

This has been sanders consistent stance, reduce the amount of cops by not asking them to do everything, then spend more per cop. Both in salary to attract better candidates and training to reduce incidents.

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SevenTenths posted...

It is a bad idea, because it's giving cops more to do when we need to be giving cops less to do.

He was specifically addressing giving 911 additional non-police resources. I'm 100% on board with that idea.

SevenTenths posted...

Pretend it's an RPG, no one wants the jack of all trades. You want specialized classes to round out your party. We ask cops to do too much and as a result we have shutdown so much other public funding to only give it to the cops and ask them to pick up the slack.

Which is why we should refocus that funding outside of Police focuses, like Joe said.


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wackyteen posted...

Which is why we should refocus that funding outside of Police focuses, like Joe said.

and how do you 'refocus' that money when you're giving them more money. Do you think money is created from thin air?

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SevenTenths posted...

This has been sanders consistent stance, reduce the amount of cops by not asking them to do everything, then spend more per cop. Both in salary to attract better candidates and training to reduce incidents.

And Biden said similar.

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SevenTenths posted...

and how do you 'refocus' that money when you're giving them more money. Do you think money is created from thin air?

According to the Fed Reserve, yes /s

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We should fund them with Robocop

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wackyteen posted...

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And Biden said similar.

except for the part where he hasn't. Biden's answer is to give the police a larger budget and train them to shoot for the leg instead of you know, not shooting at all.

Done feeding the troll.

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Godnorgosh posted...

Have you seen what cops have been doing in broad daylight, while they know they're being recorded? But yeah, I do think we can easily add body cams while still cutting funding overall. It's called demilitarization.

And I agree with demilitarization.

If they want to be Soldiers, I promise you the Army is always recruiting. And they'll take anybody.

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Glad he's somewhat sane.

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K181 posted...

So, after reading the blurb, Biden is saying he would support fairly sweeping reforms of American policing but doesn't support taking as massive of a step as some people vocally want, and that's enough to make people here to be mad at him?

Hasn't that been his entire campaign?

XYZ Voters: Support X,Y, and Z!
Biden: I support X and Y, but not Z.
Trump: Fuck all three of those issues.
XYZ Voters: Fucking Biden!!!!!

Yeah people are being really idiotic.

Bernie lost fair and square guys, get over ir

Expected better from TC


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Doom_Art posted...

Yeah people are being really idiotic.

Bernie lost fair and square guys, get over ir

Expected better from TC

what do you expect from these people

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SevenTenths posted...

except for the part where he hasn't. Biden's answer is to give the police a larger budger and train them to shoot for the leg instead of you know, not shooting at all.

Antifar posted...

That means making serious investments in mental health services, drug treatment and prevention programs, and services for people experiencing homelessness. That may also mean having social service providers respond to calls with police officers.

He says it right here.

I'm not trolling. I'm not even on the opposite side of the issue. I'm just not as on board with the idea that defunding the police right now is going to fix the issue right now.

Do I necessarily agree that more funding is the best idea? No. It's just not a bad idea if the funding is utilized right

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But how will we give cops more funds, what about the deficit Biden. Guy is willing to give cops another fancy SUV before providing us healthcare.

Cops are extremely overfunded because the wealthy rely on them to protect their property. They give some meathead that spent a couple months in the academy a fucking tank.

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foreverzero212 posted...

They give some meathead that spent a couple months in the academy a f***ing tank.

Your average cop isn't driving a tank.

Be real.

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wackyteen posted...

Your average cop isn't driving a tank.

Be real.

But they do drive Fancy SUVs. I remember living in a well off neighborhood and the Police always had the dopest cars despite there being like zero crime in the area.

shockthemonkey posted...

Especially because Sanders and Biden are saying the same thing about this.

And, for the record: they're both dead wrong!

I support giving the police funding for mandatory body cams on every officer instead of more weapons.

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wackyteen posted...

Your average cop isn't driving a tank.

Be real.

They roll through destroying the roads on my street just to harass the weed house every year.

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