Current Events > Do you guys... not realize a question is not offensive?

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shockthemonkey posted...

I know, thats the part where its pathetic. Youre on a website full of concern trolls who never post in good faith and youre upset that you sounded like one of them. Its going to be ok. It isnt a big deal.

...Hm..

Never thought of it that way...

I guess...

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Now imagine people like those stubborn parents or someone stuck in their ways. Removing their voice when they didnt know pretty much ensures they will never learn out of spite.

Not to dwell on this example, but this sounds like the same arguments that people make for not deplatforming ACTUAL racists.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Consequences should vary. Someone who is counting and so happens to drop to his middle finger shouldnt be seens as someone trying to flip someone off in a humorous fashion.

Or more realistically, I use my middle finger to rub my eyes or straighten my eye brows a lot. One person once asked why I flipped them off to my confusion. When talking about it, I discovered my habit, and they came to understand flipping him off wasnt my intention.

But we talked about it. No harm no foul.

Your examples are disingenuous. I'm talking about intentionally flipping someone off but not knowing what that means contextually, not incidentally holding up your middle finger. You typed out your question, you didn't mash the keys and accidentally post it.

The mods shouldn't leave things frequently used by instigators/trolls up just because there's a chance they *might* be genuine. You got an answer to your question. Move on.

Like if you're trying to indicate to people that you're not transphobic, you're not doing yourself any favors by making this all about how *you* were wronged and arguing that we should give more cover to the actual transphobes who do this stuff.

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Have we gotten any mod contribution in this topic yet? TC seems genuine.

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Anteaterking posted...

The mods shouldn't leave things frequently used by instigators/trolls up just because there's a chance they *might* be genuine. You got an answer to your question. Move on.

What about the inverse?

The mods shouldnt delete things frequently asked because theres a chance they *might* be instigators/trolls.

Because I think theres a fine line between using slurs or legit mocking versus a question. A question can offend, yes, but a question should not be modded unless its blatantly disingenuous.

Anteaterking posted...

Like if you're trying to indicate to people that you're not transphobic,

Not the point of the topic. Im upset about posts being removed. I am slightly transphobic, but Im trying to understand their side when it comes up. People grow believing certain things to be true. But until people are willing to have open discourse, that will not change.

Yes, my question was answered. This time. But what happens if everyone has the same mindset as Pus_N_Pecans or the moderator that modded me? What then? Im trying to urge people to not just get rid of any question they disagree with. I shockingly got a positive reception this time until the moderation. The moderation is what I want to address.

Anteaterking posted...

Your examples are disingenuous. I'm talking about intentionally flipping someone off but not knowing what that means contextually, not incidentally holding up your middle finger. You typed out your question, you didn't mash the keys and accidentally post it.

Someone would have to purposely have to raise their middle finger. So I guess I dont get your analogy. One raising the finger for one purpose, but people perceiving it for another seemed like a good analogy to me.

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Anteaterking posted...

Why are you this concerned about being moderated though? You're acting like you were banned for asking a question.

TC was moderated for a post reported as being inappropriate. That being said, it's understandable how the opacity of the process can be distressing to genuine posters.
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That's only because these boards are text, not video, messages. No one could see the sincerity in TC's i_i s.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Im more open-minded, so Im willing to change what I thought I knew.

Apparently you're not open-minded enough to type "transgender wikipedia" into a google field, clicking on the first result and reading maybe three lines of text. Instead you make a 100+ post topic about how you were the wronged one and how it's really because of this that people are transphobic.

But no, you're not being disingenuous here.

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no one bit and you got modded, get over it already

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scar the 1 posted...

Apparently you're not open-minded enough to type "transgender wikipedia" into a google field, clicking on the first result and reading maybe three lines of text. Instead you make a 100+ post topic about how you were the wronged one and how it's really because of this that people are transphobic.

But no, you're not being disingenuous here.

@scar_the_1

The post before yours was 6/10/2020 @4:47 pm est.

You proceed to bump the topic at 6/11/2020 @7:51 am est.

So you had time. Did you read this topic at all? Or just skim a couple of posts and post that? Legit question.

Same for you, @ultimate_reaver . Though youre likely just trolling.

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I did read through all the posts. Sorry if I bumped a topic you were done with. I checked it again after I slept.

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Well, it was moreso that you posted a argument that was already posted prior. And I definitely answered why I didnt. So I dunno why you didnt respond to either of these posts:

cuttin_in_farm posted...

People dont know what they dont know.

I.E., I thought I knew what a transgender was. However responses contradicted what I originally thought to be true, so I was asking questions.

One does not research about arithmetic, for example, before contributing to a conversation on it. Most people believe they know it well enough, even if they may not be good at math.

But new concepts and ideas they were not aware of cause them to realize they have questions.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Because again, for the Just use Wikipedia lel, if you do not know you do not know something, and youre in the middle of a conversation where you yourself are being asked questions, one does not think to research in the middle of it

Instead you snipped one sentence out of a later post (completely ignoring the point and context), just to regurgitate the same post countless others have posted. I explained why.

And you didnt even use the concept of close-minded correctly. You can claim I wasnt intelligent or resourceful by not Googling. But both the acts of researching or asking questions correlate to being open-minded as youre willing to learn of new ideas.

This wasnt a situation of someone telling me to research something because I was wrong, and I chose not to.

This is me saying something that was incorrect, someone correcting me, and I ask clarifying questions to understand.

Its important to read the other topic as well. Though it my be purged by now.

To elaborate on your last sentence, I do think this mindset a lot of posters itt are showing contributes to continued ignorance. And I elaborate on that too. But you know whats ironic? It was a deleted post in this topic lol. I was literally looking for it and its gone.

Did you know that on a recent season of CBS Survivor, there was a transgender player? My family were confused. You see, it was a trans male, who was homosexual. So a woman who transitions to a man but is attracted to men.

My family questioned why he transitioned if he already liked men. They were mixing someones gender identity with sexual orientation. I had to explain the difference.

Do yall realize how many Americans do not know about, nor interact with transgender people whatsoever?

What is common knowledge to yall is anything but. Not everyone is apart of progressive twitter. However, removing questions or accusations of concern trolling does something. It makes people just not talk. Because heres the thing. If people are worried about asking questions because they get attacked or labeled things, they wont learn. They wont research because they think they know about the subject. So now what? You get a massive amount of people who are ignorant, dont know it, and the people who are knowledgeable immediately shut down those who make ignorant statements or questions because they should know better.

My post was modded because I said Most Americans dont deal with transgender people in their lives. Literally. Thats the offensive statement I made.

This level of egg shell walking only slows progression.

So yes.

scar the 1 posted...

how it's really because of this that people are transphobic.

This is a factor in why people are still transphobic.

But no one will actually acknowledge it. Its not that serious. Its a troll topic.

Of course.

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Jabodie posted...

Tbh you can probably clear that up just by looking at the first paragraph or two of the Wikipedia article on transgender.

In some ways the question is so dumb to somebody in the know it's kinda like walking up to some Asians and asking what the difference between Chinese and Japanese are because you thought they were all the same. They may be so ignorant they genuinely don't know the question is offensive, but somebody asking that online would be trolling 99% of the time.

Well besides being from a different country and culture I think it's just more of a dumb question overall. It's something they could Google or just read a history book

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shockthemonkey posted...

Hey if youre trying to be better, please dont say a transgender. You wouldnt say a black or a gay. Theyre people. Call them people.

Someone else has already mentioned this. I have not said a transgender since that post. Even though I asked for a better term and was not given one. I apologize. But I did change after.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Instead you snipped one sentence out of a later post (completely ignoring the point and context), just to regurgitate the same post countless others have posted. I explained why.

And you didnt even use the concept of close-minded correctly. You can claim I wasnt intelligent or resourceful by not Googling. But both the acts of researching or asking questions correlate to being open-minded as youre willing to learn of new ideas.

This wasnt a situation of someone telling me to research something because I was wrong, and I chose not to.

This is me saying something that was incorrect, someone correcting me, and I ask clarifying questions to understand.

Its important to read the other topic as well. Though it my be purged by now.

To elaborate on your last sentence, I do think this mindset a lot of posters itt are showing contributes to continued ignorance. And I elaborate on that too. But you know whats ironic? It was a deleted post in this topic lol. I was literally looking for it and its gone.

Did you know that on a recent season of CBS Survivor, there was a transgender player? My family were confused. You see, it was a trans male, who was homosexual. So a woman who transitions to a man but is attracted to men.

My family questioned why he transitioned if he already liked men. They were mixing someones gender identity with sexual orientation. I had to explain the difference.

Do yall realize how many Americans do not know about, nor interact with transgender people whatsoever?

What is common knowledge to yall is anything but. Not everyone is apart of progressive twitter. However, removing questions or accusations of concern trolling does something. It makes people just not talk. Because heres the thing. If people are worried about asking questions because they get attacked or labeled things, they wont learn. They wont research because they think they know about the subject. So now what? You get a massive amount of people who are ignorant, dont know it, and the people who are knowledgeable immediately shut down those who make ignorant statements or questions because they should know better.

My post was modded because I said Most Americans dont deal with transgender people in their lives. Literally. Thats the offensive statement I made.

This level of egg shell walking only slows progression.

So yes.

OK, the reasons I did the snip are two:

• I don't like quoting a lot of text, gets messy
• I'm not taking you very seriously, for reasons I've regurgitated a couple of times now

I understand that sometimes "you don't know what you don't know", but I'm saying that you don't come off as genuine. Maybe you are? I don't care. When your "open-mindedness" is demonstrated asking lazy questions without looking anything up, and then instead getting incredibly riled up over this, then you absolutely don't seem genuine.

And if people remain transphobic because they're not always met with kiddie gloves, then they're not very interested in trans rights after all.

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Can a third party come in here please? Does anyone think that response was logical?

I have elaborated on my opinions quite thoroughly. Even providing multiple anecdotes. Yet I get this:

scar the 1 posted...

OK, the reasons I did the snip are two:
* I don't like quoting a lot of text, gets messy
* I'm not taking you very seriously, for reasons I've regurgitated a couple of times now
I understand that sometimes "you don't know what you don't know", but I'm saying that you don't come off as genuine. Maybe you are? I don't care. When your "open-mindedness" is demonstrated asking lazy questions without looking anything up, and then instead getting incredibly riled up over this, then you absolutely don't seem genuine.

And if people remain transphobic because they're not always met with kiddie gloves, then they're not very interested in trans rights after all.

Someone tell me Im crazy. How can someone reply that AFTER I say this:

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Do yall realize how many Americans do not know about, nor interact with transgender people whatsoever?

What is common knowledge to yall is anything but.

lazy questions

cuttin_in_farm posted...

My post was modded because I said Most Americans dont deal with transgender people in their lives. Literally. Thats the offensive statement I made.

kiddie gloves

Am I the only one who sees the irony in the kiddie glove statement in general?

I feel like Im severely missing something.

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