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Romes187 06/09/20 2:58:15 PM #51:	Lost_All_Senses posted... What's TERF? i think its trans exclusionary radical feminist maybe basically chicks who don't really care for men wondering why men who changed to women are able to call themselves women <cite>Romes187 posted [p:940408786] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite> <quote>What's TERF?</quote> i think its trans exclusionary radical feminist maybe basically chicks who don't really care for men wondering why men who changed to women are able to call themselves women </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 06/09/20 3:02:47 PM #52:	Romes187 posted... i think its trans exclusionary radical feminist maybe basically chicks who don't really care for men wondering why men who changed to women are able to call themselves women If that's the case then it has absolutely no relevance to my initial post lol. I'm fine with that 100%. --- Name checks out "Stupidity is a spectrum, and we're all on it" - OfDustandBone <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:940408968] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Romes187 posted... </cite> <quote>i think its trans exclusionary radical feminist maybe basically chicks who don't really care for men wondering why men who changed to women are able to call themselves women</quote> If that's the case then it has absolutely no relevance to my initial post lol. I'm fine with that 100%. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/09/20 3:04:04 PM #53:	I dont know what equality for trans people means, so money. Until someone explains whats the fair way to handle the bathroom problem, I dont think Ill ever know. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940409030] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>I dont know what equality for trans people means, so money. Until someone explains whats the fair way to handle the bathroom problem, I dont think Ill ever know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/09/20 3:21:21 PM #54:	Lost_All_Senses posted... If that's the case then it has absolutely no relevance to my initial post lol. I'm fine with that 100%. :l no, what you said about abolishing gender is exactly what TERFs say to argue against the validity of trans people and to strawman and deny our struggles. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:940409773] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite> <quote>If that's the case then it has absolutely no relevance to my initial post lol. I'm fine with that 100%.</quote>:l no, what you said about abolishing gender is exactly what TERFs say to argue against the validity of trans people and to strawman and deny our struggles. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 06/09/20 3:24:37 PM #55:	gunplagirl posted... :l no, what you said about abolishing gender is exactly what TERFs say to argue against the validity of trans people and to strawman and deny our struggles. The fuck you talking about? I clearly stated Im against abolishing gender. I'm not against a man transitioning into a woman and being referred to as a woman. I'm against erasing the terms man and woman from existence just so others feelings don't get hurt. There is significance to what you were born as, but you can change that all you like. And I will treat you as what you identify as. I've done nothing but show that here with my actions. --- Name checks out "Stupidity is a spectrum, and we're all on it" - OfDustandBone <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:940409902] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>:l no, what you said about abolishing gender is exactly what TERFs say to argue against the validity of trans people and to strawman and deny our struggles.</quote> The fuck you talking about? I clearly stated Im against abolishing gender. I'm not against a man transitioning into a woman and being referred to as a woman. I'm against erasing the terms man and woman from existence just so others feelings don't get hurt. There is significance to what you were born as, but you can change that all you like. And I will treat you as what you identify as. I've done nothing but show that here with my actions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/09/20 3:26:18 PM #56:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Until someone explains whats the fair way to handle the bathroom problem, I dont think Ill ever know. One toilet, one door. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:940409980] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Until someone explains whats the fair way to handle the bathroom problem, I dont think Ill ever know.</quote>One toilet, one door. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/09/20 3:36:53 PM #57:	Questionmarktarius posted... One toilet, one door. Thatd totally not work for obvious reasons. Women already deal with lines. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940410411] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>One toilet, one door.</quote> Thatd totally not work for obvious reasons. Women already deal with lines. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/09/20 3:38:03 PM #58:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Thatd totally not work for obvious reasons. Women already deal with lines. When it's a little room with a toilet and sink inside, the stick-figure on the door serves no purpose. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:940410465] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Thatd totally not work for obvious reasons. Women already deal with lines.</quote>When it's a little room with a toilet and sink inside, the stick-figure on the door serves no purpose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/09/20 3:39:53 PM #59:	Romes187 posted... i think its trans exclusionary radical feminist maybe basically chicks who don't really care for men wondering why men who changed to women are able to call themselves women Name is correct. A very common stance held by TERFs is that transwomen (specifically) are becoming women in order to find ways to undermine the historical progress that was made to benefit women. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940410561] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Romes187 posted... </cite> <quote>i think its trans exclusionary radical feminist maybe basically chicks who don't really care for men wondering why men who changed to women are able to call themselves women</quote>Name is correct. A very common stance held by TERFs is that transwomen (specifically) are becoming women in order to find ways to undermine the historical progress that was made to benefit women. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/09/20 3:42:25 PM #60:	Questionmarktarius posted... When it's a little room with a toilet and sink inside, the stick-figure on the door serves no purpose. So... multiple rooms or something? Because I feel like traffic for public places would be impeded big time. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940410677] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>When it's a little room with a toilet and sink inside, the stick-figure on the door serves no purpose.</quote> So... multiple rooms or something? Because I feel like traffic for public places would be impeded big time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/09/20 3:45:06 PM #61:	Wait, what's the "bathroom problem"? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940410785] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Wait, what's the "bathroom problem"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/09/20 3:45:53 PM #62:	cuttin_in_farm posted... So... multiple rooms or something? Because I feel like traffic for public places would be impeded big time. If only there was a way to stick rooms inside of rooms... <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:940410821] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>So... multiple rooms or something? Because I feel like traffic for public places would be impeded big time.</quote>If only there was a way to stick rooms inside of rooms... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/09/20 3:52:32 PM #63:	Roomception. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940411119] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Roomception. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/09/20 4:05:40 PM #64:	CyricZ posted... Wait, what's the "bathroom problem"? Theres women and men restrooms. But women dont feel comfortable with trans women being in their rooms, and I think vice versa. We dont really have a consensus on how to handle it besides unisex bathrooms. Questionmarktarius posted... If only there was a way to stick rooms inside of rooms... Those look like stalls? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940411716] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Wait, what's the "bathroom problem"?</quote> Theres women and men restrooms. But women dont feel comfortable with trans women being in their rooms, and I think vice versa. We dont really have a consensus on how to handle it besides unisex bathrooms. Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>If only there was a way to stick rooms inside of rooms... </quote> Those look like stalls? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/09/20 4:11:20 PM #65:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Theres women and men restrooms. But women dont feel comfortable with trans women being in their rooms, and I think vice versa. We dont really have a consensus on how to handle it besides unisex bathrooms. Those look like stalls? Simple, we say transphobes can fuck off and find their own bathroom --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:940411954] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Theres women and men restrooms. But women dont feel comfortable with trans women being in their rooms, and I think vice versa. We dont really have a consensus on how to handle it besides unisex bathrooms. Those look like stalls?</quote>Simple, we say transphobes can fuck off and find their own bathroom </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/09/20 4:14:12 PM #66:	cuttin_in_farm posted... But women dont feel comfortable with trans women being in their rooms Have you asked them? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940412081] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>But women dont feel comfortable with trans women being in their rooms</quote>Have you asked them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NotYou 06/09/20 4:17:02 PM #67:	Hear me out: stack bathrooms on top of each other. Individual bathrooms with 7-foot ceilings and like escalators that take you up to the higher bathroom levels. <cite>NotYou posted [p:940412231] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Hear me out: stack bathrooms on top of each other. Individual bathrooms with 7-foot ceilings and like escalators that take you up to the higher bathroom levels. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
casio_guy 06/09/20 4:17:48 PM #68:	monkmith posted... equality is a myth. So is money --- we provide the fireworks, you do the oohs and aahs. <cite>casio_guy posted [p:940412277] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>equality is a myth.</quote>So is money </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/09/20 4:20:43 PM #69:	CyricZ posted... Have you asked them? Asked who? The women? I mean, I see news articles about it. And I know the women I talked to have been opposed when the topic is brought up. I mean, I wouldnt exactly be okay with a trans guy being in my bathroom. Though I guess saying it out loud makes it appear transphobic? gunplagirl posted... Simple, we say transphobes can fuck off and find their own bathroom I dont think thats how it works. It would be for the protection of trans people too. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940412409] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Have you asked them?</quote> Asked who? The women? I mean, I see news articles about it. And I know the women I talked to have been opposed when the topic is brought up. I mean, I wouldnt exactly be okay with a trans guy being in my bathroom. Though I guess saying it out loud makes it appear transphobic? gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Simple, we say transphobes can fuck off and find their own bathroom</quote> I dont think thats how it works. It would be for the protection of trans people too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cardoor123 06/09/20 4:22:59 PM #70:	Easily 100,000 I don't give a damn about other people besides myself and a very short list of other people. <cite>cardoor123 posted [p:940412508] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Easily 100,000 I don't give a damn about other people besides myself and a very short list of other people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 06/09/20 4:23:02 PM #71:	Money --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:940412509] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Money </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/09/20 4:23:36 PM #72:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Asked who? The women? I mean, I see news articles about it. And I know the women I talked to have been opposed when the topic is brought up. I mean, I wouldnt exactly be okay with a trans guy being in my bathroom. Though I guess saying it out loud makes it appear transphobic? I see. And what are these women saying specifically in terms of what makes them opposed to it? What is the specific reason they have an issue sharing a bathroom with trans people? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940412549] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Asked who? The women? I mean, I see news articles about it. And I know the women I talked to have been opposed when the topic is brought up. I mean, I wouldnt exactly be okay with a trans guy being in my bathroom. Though I guess saying it out loud makes it appear transphobic?</quote>I see. And what are these women saying specifically in terms of what makes them opposed to it? What is the specific reason they have an issue sharing a bathroom with trans people? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/09/20 4:30:15 PM #73:	CyricZ posted... I see. And what are these women saying specifically in terms of what makes them opposed to it? What is the specific reason they have an issue sharing a bathroom with trans people? If I understand correctly, they definitely dont seem to think trans woman = woman. I dont recall the exact words, as this hasnt come up in a while, but I think it was because its... a guy first, that turns woman. I mean, theres different degrees of trans, yea? Like, if someone doesnt do surgery, or do the voice thing, is that still a trans person? Ill be honest, Im not very well informed on this. I still thought it was a mental illness for example. But now people are saying its a physical one. So I mean no offense to what Im saying or asking. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940412865] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>I see. And what are these women saying specifically in terms of what makes them opposed to it? What is the specific reason they have an issue sharing a bathroom with trans people?</quote> If I understand correctly, they definitely dont seem to think trans woman = woman. I dont recall the exact words, as this hasnt come up in a while, but I think it was because its... a guy first, that turns woman. I mean, theres different degrees of trans, yea? Like, if someone doesnt do surgery, or do the voice thing, is that still a trans person? Ill be honest, Im not very well informed on this. I still thought it was a mental illness for example. But now people are saying its a physical one. So I mean no offense to what Im saying or asking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/09/20 4:41:36 PM #74:	cuttin_in_farm posted... If I understand correctly, they definitely dont seem to think trans woman = woman. I dont recall the exact words, as this hasnt come up in a while, but I think it was because its... a guy first, that turns woman. There are transpeople that have taken the effort to appear as the gender they identify as. In that way, it's possible that many people have shared restrooms with transpeople without even knowing it. Not to mention in most public restrooms I'm familiar with, there's not a lot of scrutiny going on as it is. People do their business and leave. Do you think these people you've spoken to/articles you've read are simply just insecure knowing that as opposed to not knowing that? cuttin_in_farm posted... I mean, theres different degrees of trans, yea? Like, if someone doesnt do surgery, or do the voice thing, is that still a trans person? Can be. It's up to the person in question. cuttin_in_farm posted... I still thought it was a mental illness for example. But now people are saying its a physical one. It's actually not even an "illness" by definition. You might be thinking of what's known as "gender dysphoria", which is the emotional distress a person can feel when they're not comfortable with themselves from a gender standpoint. Not every trans person goes through this. Simply being transgender is not an illness. It's just a state of being. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940413388] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>If I understand correctly, they definitely dont seem to think trans woman = woman. I dont recall the exact words, as this hasnt come up in a while, but I think it was because its... a guy first, that turns woman.</quote>There are transpeople that have taken the effort to appear as the gender they identify as. In that way, it's possible that many people have shared restrooms with transpeople without even knowing it. Not to mention in most public restrooms I'm familiar with, there's not a lot of scrutiny going on as it is. People do their business and leave. Do you think these people you've spoken to/articles you've read are simply just insecure knowing that as opposed to not knowing that? cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, theres different degrees of trans, yea? Like, if someone doesnt do surgery, or do the voice thing, is that still a trans person?</quote>Can be. It's up to the person in question. cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>I still thought it was a mental illness for example. But now people are saying its a physical one.</quote>It's actually not even an "illness" by definition. You might be thinking of what's known as "gender dysphoria", which is the emotional distress a person can feel when they're not comfortable with themselves from a gender standpoint. Not every trans person goes through this. Simply being transgender is not an illness. It's just a state of being. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/09/20 4:43:43 PM #75:	Lost_All_Senses posted... The fuck you talking about? I clearly stated Im against abolishing gender. I'm not against a man transitioning into a woman and being referred to as a woman. I'm against erasing the terms man and woman from existence just so others feelings don't get hurt. There is significance to what you were born as, but you can change that all you like. And I will treat you as what you identify as. I've done nothing but show that here with my actions. It's not trans people who want to destroy those from existence. Jfc --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:940413502] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite> <quote>The fuck you talking about? I clearly stated Im against abolishing gender. I'm not against a man transitioning into a woman and being referred to as a woman. I'm against erasing the terms man and woman from existence just so others feelings don't get hurt. There is significance to what you were born as, but you can change that all you like. And I will treat you as what you identify as. I've done nothing but show that here with my actions.</quote>It's not trans people who want to destroy those from existence. Jfc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/09/20 4:52:50 PM #76:	CyricZ posted... There are transpeople that have taken the effort to appear as the gender they identify as. In that way, it's possible that many people have shared restrooms with transpeople without even knowing it. Not to mention in most public restrooms I'm familiar with, there's not a lot of scrutiny going on as it is. People do their business and leave. Do you think these people you've spoken to/articles you've read are simply just insecure knowing that as opposed to not knowing that? I guess thats a good point. I think its just the idea of it. Like, the complaints and whatnot Ive read were probably cases where the trans person didnt not look even somewhat transitioned. I imagine if people looked more convincingly, people just wouldnt know. But I dunno why the knowledge itself increases tension tbh. For women, I get. Cause a guy in a restroom poses problems. But not others. CyricZ posted... Simply being transgender is not an illness. It's just a state of being. Oh? But it needs surgery. Doesnt that mean something is wrong? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940413924] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>There are transpeople that have taken the effort to appear as the gender they identify as. In that way, it's possible that many people have shared restrooms with transpeople without even knowing it. Not to mention in most public restrooms I'm familiar with, there's not a lot of scrutiny going on as it is. People do their business and leave. Do you think these people you've spoken to/articles you've read are simply just insecure knowing that as opposed to not knowing that?</quote> I guess thats a good point. I think its just the idea of it. Like, the complaints and whatnot Ive read were probably cases where the trans person didnt not look even somewhat transitioned. I imagine if people looked more convincingly, people just wouldnt know. But I dunno why the knowledge itself increases tension tbh. For women, I get. Cause a guy in a restroom poses problems. But not others. CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Simply being transgender is not an illness. It's just a state of being.</quote> Oh? But it needs surgery. Doesnt that mean something is wrong? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/09/20 4:55:52 PM #77:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Cause a guy in a restroom poses problems What kind? cuttin_in_farm posted... But it needs surgery. Surgery is elective. Some trans people may really really want surgery for the purpose of their own mental health and dialing down their own personal gender dysphoria, but it's not necessarily required. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940414069] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Cause a guy in a restroom poses problems</quote>What kind? cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>But it needs surgery.</quote>Surgery is elective. Some trans people may really really want surgery for the purpose of their own mental health and dialing down their own personal gender dysphoria, but it's not necessarily required. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 06/09/20 5:00:35 PM #78:	gunplagirl posted... It's not trans people who want to destroy those from existence. Jfc I was watching a video that was exactly that earlier. And this whole topic was focused on trans people. Obviously it's not all or even most of trans people. Just like it's also not all or most of everyone else. All I'm saying is I'm not for it. You are also not for it. All that's left is to argue is who to blame most. I'm good on having that argument. --- Name checks out "Stupidity is a spectrum, and we're all on it" - OfDustandBone <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:940414295] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>It's not trans people who want to destroy those from existence. Jfc</quote> I was watching a video that was exactly that earlier. And this whole topic was focused on trans people. Obviously it's not all or even most of trans people. Just like it's also not all or most of everyone else. All I'm saying is I'm not for it. You are also not for it. All that's left is to argue is who to blame most. I'm good on having that argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/09/20 5:54:41 PM #79:	CyricZ posted... What kind? I dont understand the question. CyricZ posted... Surgery is elective. Some trans people may really really want surgery for the purpose of their own mental health and dialing down their own personal gender dysphoria, but it's not necessarily required. Isnt transgendering without actual surgery just cross dressing? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940416640] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>What kind?</quote> I dont understand the question. CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Surgery is elective. Some trans people may really really want surgery for the purpose of their own mental health and dialing down their own personal gender dysphoria, but it's not necessarily required.</quote> Isnt transgendering without actual surgery just cross dressing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/09/20 6:02:52 PM #80:	cuttin_in_farm posted... I dont understand the question. What kind of problems does a man in a woman's restroom pose? cuttin_in_farm posted... Isnt transgendering without actual surgery just cross dressing? Not necessarily. Like I said, not everyone gets surgery. The only thing that defines someone who is transgender is that their gender identity does not match up with the one that was assigned to them at birth. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940417010] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>I dont understand the question.</quote>What kind of problems does a man in a woman's restroom pose? cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Isnt transgendering without actual surgery just cross dressing?</quote>Not necessarily. Like I said, not everyone gets surgery. The only thing that defines someone who is transgender is that their gender identity does not match up with the one that was assigned to them at birth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 06/09/20 6:07:06 PM #81:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Cause a guy in a restroom poses problems. But not others. Not really. He just has to identify as the gender that the symbol on the door represents. --- Maketh thy Countries Greateth Again don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:940417194] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Cause a guy in a restroom poses problems. But not others.</quote> Not really. He just has to identify as the gender that the symbol on the door represents. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/09/20 6:15:56 PM #82:	CyricZ posted... the one that was assigned to them at birth It's not exactly arbitrary, give or take severe ambiguity or catastrophic circumcision mishaps. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:940417644] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>the one that was assigned to them at birth</quote>It's not exactly arbitrary, give or take severe ambiguity or catastrophic circumcision mishaps. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joker98 06/09/20 6:22:46 PM #83:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Isnt transgendering without actual surgery just cross dressing? transitioning* Transgendering isn't a word. Cross dressing is just wearing clothes of the opposite sex, but socially transitioning involves living as the gender you identify as, which can include voice therapy, learning new mannerisms, all sorts of things. I appreciate your open-mindedness to learning more about this topic. --- ~~Every day I'm husseling and busseling~~ <cite>Joker98 posted [p:940417968] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Isnt transgendering without actual surgery just cross dressing?</quote>transitioning* Transgendering isn't a word. Cross dressing is just wearing clothes of the opposite sex, but socially transitioning involves living as the gender you identify as, which can include voice therapy, learning new mannerisms, all sorts of things. I appreciate your open-mindedness to learning more about this topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DespondentDeity 06/09/20 6:24:05 PM #84:	What does equality for transgender people mean? --- https://imgur.com/8DBAEJJ \| https://imgur.com/U2ZWTrH I never be, I never see, I never know <cite>DespondentDeity posted [p:940418029] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>What does equality for transgender people mean? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/09/20 6:24:51 PM #85:	Easy money. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:940418055] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Easy money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/09/20 6:45:37 PM #86:	CyricZ posted... What kind of problems does a man in a woman's restroom pose? I mean... invasion of privacy? Most women just dont like a dude being around while they relieve themselves. Depending on time and place, being attacked maybe. Seeing as there would be an obvious vulnerability issue. CyricZ posted... Not necessarily. Like I said, not everyone gets surgery. The only thing that defines someone who is transgender is that their gender identity does not match up with the one that was assigned to them at birth. Wait, so someone who thinks theyre in the wrong body is a transgender? They dont have to actually change first? Joker98 posted... Cross dressing is just wearing clothes of the opposite sex, but socially transitioning involves living as the gender you identify as, which can include voice therapy, learning new mannerisms, all sorts of things. Okay... so... surgery isnt the defining thing? It can be a social transition instead? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940419013] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>What kind of problems does a man in a woman's restroom pose?</quote> I mean... invasion of privacy? Most women just dont like a dude being around while they relieve themselves. Depending on time and place, being attacked maybe. Seeing as there would be an obvious vulnerability issue. CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Not necessarily. Like I said, not everyone gets surgery. The only thing that defines someone who is transgender is that their gender identity does not match up with the one that was assigned to them at birth.</quote> Wait, so someone who thinks theyre in the wrong body is a transgender? They dont have to actually change first? Joker98 posted... </cite> <quote>Cross dressing is just wearing clothes of the opposite sex, but socially transitioning involves living as the gender you identify as, which can include voice therapy, learning new mannerisms, all sorts of things.</quote> Okay... so... surgery isnt the defining thing? It can be a social transition instead? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dj1200 06/09/20 6:46:19 PM #87:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... equality wont come for a while and several trans people will be killed/beat up daily while one waits for us to get there $$$ --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies <cite>dj1200 posted [p:940419040] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted... </cite> <quote>equality wont come for a while and several trans people will be killed/beat up daily while one waits for us to get there</quote>$$$ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joker98 06/09/20 6:53:22 PM #88:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Okay... so... surgery isnt the defining thing? It can be a social transition instead? Exactly. Someone is transgender when their gender doesn't match up with their assigned sex at birth. This can cause the person to feel distressed when referred to by the incorrect pronouns, being viewed as the wrong gender by society, having to live life as the wrong gender, not being accepted by their parents, etc. They might choose to socially transition or medically transition. Medically transitioning can include various types of surgeries (top surgery, bottom surgery, facial surgeries), or going on hormones (testosterone, estrogen, etc). Here is a great article to read too: https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/5/13/17938114/transgender-people-transitioning-surgery-medical --- ~~Every day I'm husseling and busseling~~ <cite>Joker98 posted [p:940419352] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Okay... so... surgery isnt the defining thing? It can be a social transition instead?</quote>Exactly. Someone is transgender when their gender doesn't match up with their assigned sex at birth. This can cause the person to feel distressed when referred to by the incorrect pronouns, being viewed as the wrong gender by society, having to live life as the wrong gender, not being accepted by their parents, etc. They might choose to socially transition or medically transition. Medically transitioning can include various types of surgeries (top surgery, bottom surgery, facial surgeries), or going on hormones (testosterone, estrogen, etc). Here is a great article to read too: https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/5/13/17938114/transgender-people-transitioning-surgery-medical </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pepper2012 06/09/20 6:55:13 PM #90:	Lairen posted... If i had 2 choices id have $200,000. Lol --- None of this is good, Vector. That's why it's called "a Sonic game." - Knuckles the Echidna <cite>pepper2012 posted [p:940419430] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite> <quote>If i had 2 choices id have $200,000.</quote> Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/09/20 6:56:26 PM #91:	cuttin_in_farm posted... I mean... invasion of privacy? Most women just dont like a dude being around while they relieve themselves. Depending on time and place, being attacked maybe. Seeing as there would be an obvious vulnerability issue. Which gets into the idea of the idea of why we even have gendered bathrooms in the first place. And if the worry was getting attacked, there's nothing physically preventing anyone from attacking anyone else in a restroom, be they cis, trans, male, or female. I'm not saying there's a perfect answer to this, but it's something to think about. cuttin_in_farm posted... Wait, so someone who thinks theyre in the wrong body is a transgender? They dont have to actually change first? Correct. cuttin_in_farm posted... Okay... so... surgery isnt the defining thing? It can be a social transition instead? Also correct. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940419473] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>I mean... invasion of privacy? Most women just dont like a dude being around while they relieve themselves. Depending on time and place, being attacked maybe. Seeing as there would be an obvious vulnerability issue.</quote>Which gets into the idea of the idea of why we even have gendered bathrooms in the first place. And if the worry was getting attacked, there's nothing physically preventing anyone from attacking anyone else in a restroom, be they cis, trans, male, or female. I'm not saying there's a perfect answer to this, but it's something to think about. cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Wait, so someone who thinks theyre in the wrong body is a transgender? They dont have to actually change first?</quote>Correct. cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Okay... so... surgery isnt the defining thing? It can be a social transition instead?</quote>Also correct. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joker98 06/09/20 6:58:05 PM #92:	Someone doesn't even have to transition at all to be transgender. It can just be a feeling the person has but chooses not to transition for whatever reason. You can never truly know if someone who appears cis-gendered is transgender. --- ~~Every day I'm husseling and busseling~~ <cite>Joker98 posted [p:940419536] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Someone doesn't even have to transition at all to be transgender. It can just be a feeling the person has but chooses not to transition for whatever reason. You can never truly know if someone who appears cis-gendered is transgender. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dj1200 06/09/20 7:04:16 PM #93:	Joker98 posted... Someone doesn't even have to transition at all to be transgender. It can just be a feeling the person has but chooses not to transition for whatever reason. You can never truly know if someone who appears cis-gendered is transgender. shut up and give me the money. --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies <cite>dj1200 posted [p:940419802] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Joker98 posted... </cite> <quote>Someone doesn't even have to transition at all to be transgender. It can just be a feeling the person has but chooses not to transition for whatever reason. You can never truly know if someone who appears cis-gendered is transgender.</quote> shut up and give me the money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andri_g 06/09/20 7:17:44 PM #94:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Oh? But it needs surgery. Doesnt that mean something is wrong? Not necessarily; some are people born "non-binary." . Questionmarktarius posted... CyricZ posted... " the one that was assigned to them at birth" It's not exactly arbitrary, give or take severe ambiguity or catastrophic circumcision mishaps. Or... https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/the-third-sex-the-truth-about-gender-ambiguity-1922816.html --- '~' <cite>andri_g posted [p:940420384] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Oh? But it needs surgery. Doesnt that mean something is wrong?</quote>Not necessarily; some are people born "non-binary." . Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... " the one that was assigned to them at birth" It's not exactly arbitrary, give or take severe ambiguity or catastrophic circumcision mishaps.</quote>Or... https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/the-third-sex-the-truth-about-gender-ambiguity-1922816.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joker98 06/09/20 8:11:08 PM #95:	Bump --- ~~Every day I'm husseling and busseling~~ <cite>Joker98 posted [p:940422868] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BdubBobsleb 06/09/20 8:13:07 PM #96:	A better option than equality would be to eliminate gender dysphoria so that nobody has to be transgender. <cite>BdubBobsleb posted [p:940422954] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>A better option than equality would be to eliminate gender dysphoria so that nobody has to be transgender. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joker98 06/09/20 8:15:29 PM #97:	BdubBobsleb posted... A better option than equality would be to eliminate gender dysphoria so that nobody has to be transgender. Are you saying in an ideal world, trans people wouldnt exist? --- ~~Every day I'm husseling and busseling~~ <cite>Joker98 posted [p:940423050] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>BdubBobsleb posted... </cite> <quote>A better option than equality would be to eliminate gender dysphoria so that nobody has to be transgender.</quote>Are you saying in an ideal world, trans people wouldnt exist? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 06/09/20 8:17:05 PM #98:	It's real easy to claim the high road and say I'd go for equality but it's 100k and my sister and I could really use it. Tough call I think I'd take the money honestly. --- https://imgur.com/6VeX04D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zZ7PIk9Vc <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:940423117] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>It's real easy to claim the high road and say I'd go for equality but it's 100k and my sister and I could really use it. Tough call I think I'd take the money honestly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BdubBobsleb 06/09/20 8:18:21 PM #100:	Joker98 posted... Are you saying in an ideal world, trans people wouldnt exist? Do you think gender dysphoria is something anybody wants to have? Would you force it on somebody? <cite>BdubBobsleb posted [p:940423173] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>Joker98 posted... </cite> <quote>Are you saying in an ideal world, trans people wouldnt exist?</quote> Do you think gender dysphoria is something anybody wants to have? Would you force it on somebody? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joker98 06/09/20 8:30:53 PM #101:	BdubBobsleb posted... Do you think gender dysphoria is something anybody wants to have? Would you force it on somebody? No, gender dysphoria sucks. but why did you say so that nobody has to be transgender.? HAS TO be. --- ~~Every day I'm husseling and busseling~~ <cite>Joker98 posted [p:940423681] in Equality f... [t:78757314]...</cite> <quote>BdubBobsleb posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think gender dysphoria is something anybody wants to have? Would you force it on somebody?</quote>No, gender dysphoria sucks. but why did you say so that nobody has to be transgender.? HAS TO be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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