Current Events > ''Nobody wants to get rid of the police, we just want to get rid of the bad ones

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https://youtu.be/gMz4r5RLvKs

He's the next buttigieg lol

yea unfortunately we're seeing that there are more bad ones than we initially thought.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

yea unfortunately we're seeing that there are more bad ones than we initially thought.

Do you support fully defunding/eliminating the police?

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TheVipaGTS posted...

yea unfortunately we're seeing that there are more bad ones than we initially thought.

For real, I always knew there were bad cops but you don't appreciate how many there actually are until you see them handle situations like this. See this happen across the country, it starts exposing that it's not just bad cops but bad training. Odds are these guys are doing what they are trained to do, and that's a big part of the problem.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Do you support fully defunding/eliminating the police?

well defunding wouldn't be eliminating so i don't know why you put them together. It is obvious that the entire system needs to be broken down and rebuilt, though. If only cops didn't have a free pass for several decades, then this wouldn't be an issue right now, but unfortunately we only move forward from here.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

well defunding wouldn't be eliminating so i don't know why you put them together

Without funding, how do you propose that the police continue to exist?

I want to know your precise explanation for how 'defunding the police' isn't the same thing as eliminating the police.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Without funding, how do you propose that the police continue to exist?

I want to know your precise explanation for how 'defunding the police' isn't the same thing as eliminating the police?

Because its not the same thing. But you ignored the part of my post where i explained what needed to happen. Again, its not my fault people like you didn't hold cops accountable.

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isn't it less 'we just want to get rid of the bad ones' and more 'we want to overhaul the system that creates, enables, and protects bad ones'?

I don't think we need to eliminate the police, when they are doing their job they provide some good. What needs to happen is a mass overhaul in how they are trained, far more psych evaluations to make sure they aren't there just to beat up minorities, and they need to be held accountable. When they fuck up they shouldn't be getting a slap on the wrist, they need to be held to a very high standard

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Sometimes you need to demolish the house in order to rebuild it.

NotYou posted...

isn't it less 'we just want to get rid of the bad ones' and more 'we want to overhaul the system that creates, enables, and protects bad ones'?

Nope. Apparently everyone wants pure anarchy like the ANTIFA SCUM that they are. This is an honest take.

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The police dont need to be defunded but they do need to be rebuilt from the ground up and most current police put into prison

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"We don't want no more police"

what did she mean by this

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Because its not the same thing. But you ignored the part of my post where i explained what needed to happen. Again, its not my fault people like you didn't hold cops accountable.

You didn't answer my question. How do the police exist if there's no funding for the police?

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LeperMessiahXX posted...

When they fuck up they shouldn't be getting a slap on the wrist, they need to be held to a very high standard

this for damn sure. cops currently get punished less severe than we do for the same crimes. it should be the opposite. cops should pay a higher price for the same crime. it's the price they pay for having so much power over us and responsibility expected

Gobstoppers12 posted...

You didn't answer my question. How do the police exist if there's no funding for the police?

that has nothing to do with my answer. i was just telling you that Defunding is not the same as eliminating so your loaded question was ignored. I explained what we should do in my opinion, and that's rebuild from the ground up after demolishing. That does not mean we want to abolish law enforcement.

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we should get rid of the police

and the rest of the government while we're at it

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TheVipaGTS posted...

i was just telling you that Defunding is not the same as eliminating so your loaded question was ignored

I'm asking for you to explain how they are functionally different. A police department with no funding cannot sustain itself, thus defunding the department is essentially the same as eliminating it.

Point being... we need police, even while we're figuring out a better means to handle law enforcement. We can't get rid of police now and then figure out how to replace them later. We need them every day.

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Essentially the same does not mean the same. The context being we wouldn't be defunding to eliminate. it would be rerouted or moved around to facilitate rebuilding. No one is saying they want to get to a point where we don't have any cops and its anarchy. That's just stupid.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Essentially the same does not mean the same. The context being we wouldn't be defunding to eliminate. it would be rerouted or moved around to facilitate rebuilding. No one is saying they want to get to a point where we don't have any cops and its anarchy. That's just stupid.

police departments are already underfunded and understaffed as it is. That's one of the reasons why training is less intensive than some would like... either it's somewhat easy to become a police officer, or we have a severe shortage of officers.

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I don't think training can get much worse. Its not going to be an overnight change. Its going to take time. Fuck, the way they act it might be safer for all of us to have fewer on the street while we figure out how to do better. People are going to fear monger and act like it means murder and rape will go up...in reality it just means petty traffic stops will be cut down and we won't be able to conduct as many raids on coke dealers that end up killing innocent people in the wrong house....I think we'll survive just fine.

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To the people who say "we don't want anarchy, we want to abolish the police in their current form and replace it with something else," say what you mean and disavow those who truly want to abolish the police full stop.

If you don't, you are being blatantly dishonest.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Fuck, the way they act it might be safer for all of us to have fewer on the street while we figure out how to do better

Legitimate police brutality makes the news at a high percentage. Traffic stops that take drunk drivers off the road, patrols that prevent burglary, officers who rescue drug overdose victims, etc. tend not to be as marketable.

If drunk drivers weren't afraid of being pulled over, they would be a lot more common. Same with most forms of crime. When you reduce police presence, that means you also increase criminal presence.

Police do a lot more than roam the streets looking for people to brutalize. You understand that, right?

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Yes, I understand that. I also understand that we need major change and that can't happen in the meantime while everything else stays the same. Some sacrifices will need to be made, and one place we can sacrifice is by better prioritizing a smaller force. We don't need a bunch of cops chilling at speed traps catching 1 or 2 people who go by. We don't need cops wasting time with some dude who didn't make a compete stop at a stop sign. We don't need entire swat teams trying to take down a weed dealer. There are ways to make those cuts to better allocate resources while forcing the departments to actually prioritize more serious situations. There is no need to fear monger and act like serious crime will skyrocket and it'll be anarchy in the country. If anything we're at the point of "anarchy" currently, but a lot of that is coming from Cops right now.

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I think most people would want to get rid of a group of violent thugs that terrorize Americans because that's what the police have become.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

If anything we're at the point of "anarchy" currently, but a lot of that is coming from Cops right now.

Certified Bruh Moment

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I call a spade a spade. Cops have not been perfect. In fact, they've acted worse in a lot of cases despite knowing the entire world is watching. an entire department stepping down over that 75 year old man incident just because they wanted to protest their union says it all.

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I hate cops as much as everyone, but some of you are ridiculous on thinking it's only petty shit they go after.

Detroit has a huge shortage where cops pretty much can't do much and it's one of the worst crime areas in the world.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Cops have not been perfect

Nobody's perfect. Nobody's saying the police are perfect either. We're saying that the police are necessary, and cutting their funding and shrinking the size of the department is not going to fix the issues.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nobody's perfect. Nobody's saying the police are perfect either. We're saying that the police are necessary, and cutting their funding and shrinking the size of the department is not going to fix the issues.

Letting a gang run rampant is not necessary.

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Tmaster148 posted...

Letting a gang run rampant is not necessary.

Which is why we need police. We have actual gangs killing people constantly in the same cities that people want to 'abolish/defund/eliiminate' the police departments in.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Which is why we need police. We have actual gangs killing people constantly in the same cities that people want to 'abolish/defund/eliiminate' the police departments in.

The police are the real gang problem. We can't let them run wild and kill Americans.

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Tmaster148 posted...

The police are the real gang problem. We can't let them run wild and kill Americans.

I mean. I guess you think youre clever here with this woke statement.

But look at other countries where their police is underfunded and not governed properly or non existent and instead you get multiple gangs and cartels running the show.

thats pretty much what youd have here if you abolish or cut the police presence down heavily.

bad areas in Detroit are almost turning into this. Having the community police itself sounds great in theory, but when that policing turns into a power struggle for turf then thats when youll see some really bad shit happening.

also totally abolishing police would only lead to the rich and elite having their own private security while the middle and lower class destroy each other. Creating more divide and further increasing the wage gap.

the law enforcement model needs to change, but cops will always be a necessary evil. If youd rather put safety in the hands of real gang bangers, be my guest. Hope you enjoy paying that VIG every week for protection from other gangs.

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So what does acab stand for then?

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chrono625 posted...

also totally abolishing police would only lead to the rich and elite having their own private security while the middle and lower class destroy each other. Creating more divide and further increasing the wage gap.

Maybe that is the end game with this.

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chrono625 posted...

I mean. I guess you think youre clever here with this woke statement.

But look at other countries where their police is underfunded and not governed properly or non existent and instead you get multiple gangs and cartels running the show.

thats pretty much what youd have here if you abolish or cut the police presence down heavily.

bad areas in Detroit are almost turning into this. Having the community police itself sounds great in theory, but when that policing turns into a power struggle for turf then thats when youll see some really bad shit happening.

also totally abolishing police would only lead to the rich and elite having their own private security while the middle and lower class destroy each other. Creating more divide and further increasing the wage gap.

the law enforcement model needs to change, but cops will always be a necessary evil. If youd rather put safety in the hands of real gang bangers, be my guest. Hope you enjoy paying that VIG every week for protection from other gangs.

imgur link in case thats too blurry: https://imgur.com/a/PtIWdOm

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is that post real life

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I've got TC tagged as a Nazi apologist, for the record

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MrMallard posted...

I've got TC tagged as a Nazi apologist, for the record

Hes also an account bet welcher

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BathroomWater posted...

imgur link in case thats too blurry: https://imgur.com/a/PtIWdOm

I dont necessarily disagree here. I feel that your run of the mill cop is expected to be a master of all. When in reality they are a jack of all. Thats too much to expect out of one person and collectively it shouldnt be that way.

instead of a 6 month academy, how about additional training afterwards. How about allowing officers the ability to seek additional training in certain areas such as dealing specifically with the emotionally disturbed.

I have a friend who went through the academy and went back to school to become a counselor for those with drug and substance abuse. His job now, though hes still a cop, is helping those get help with substance abuse. Let people like that extend over to the public as well. Not just within the NYPD.


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chrono625 posted...

I dont necessarily disagree here. I feel that your run of the mill cop is expected to be a master of all. When in reality they are a jack of all. Thats too much to expect out of one person and collectively it shouldnt be that way.

instead of a 6 month academy, how about additional training afterwards. How about allowing officers the ability to seek additional training in certain areas such as dealing specifically with the emotionally disturbed.

I have a friend who went through the academy and went back to school to become a counselor for those with drug and substance abuse. His job now, though hes still a cop, is helping those get help with substance abuse. Let people like that extend over to the public as well. Not just within the NYPD.

They already do most of that.

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Monolith1676 posted...

They already do most of that.

but many become a cop, go through the academy and never pursue additional training.

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chrono625 posted...

but many become a cop, go through the academy and never pursue additional training.

I like the ideas presented in your previous post. There are many countries who treat training to be a cop like going to university. Sweden, IIRC, has a 4-year program.

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