Current Events > Systemic police racism is a myth. This is about police brutality (proof inside).

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legendary_zell posted...

Thanks, I love letting POC off the hook and absolving them of personal responsibility, purely because of their skin color. Absolutely everything is the fault of "the man" who I definitely know doesn't exist, but I like to blame everything on him so I can virtue signal.

Is that how I sound in your head?

Tell me how you feel.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Cuz it doesnt seem like it. I linked something as well, how about that?

Tell us why you keep posting that.

While it is hard to say is systemic police racism is a myth, I think this topic would be better phrased if the subject stated, "Systemic police racism in terms of police killings is a myth."

What can be proven is that there is no racial bias when it comes to police killings, contrary to what the media would have you believe. Michigan State did a study last year showing that it isn't race that predicts the percentage of police shootings, it is violent crime rates. Black people are actually more likely to be shot by black officers.

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2019/the-truth-behind-racial-disparities-in-fatal-police-shootings/

It is true that black people are killed at a higher rate by police when you look at the rate using the entire population as the denominator but if you use the violent crime arrests as the denominator, the rate of police shootings is the same for white people as it is for black people. In 2018, 399 white people were killed by the police and there were 230,299 violent crime arrests for white people. In 2018, 209 black people were killed by the police and there were 147,734 violent crime arrests for black people. The rate difference is miniscule but it is actually slight higher for white people, 0.17%, and it was for black people, 0.14%.

On the other hand, police are killed by black people at a much higher rate than they are killed by white people. There were 28 police officers feloniously killed by white people in 2019 and 15 police officers feloniously killed by black people. Accounting for the fact that the US is 76.5% and 13.4% black, that means black people kill police officers at three times the rate white people kill police officers.

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And for the "we only people commit violent crimes because white people keep us in poverty" crowd, that is also false. Even if you assume 100% of the violent crimes in 2019 were committed by people living in poverty, we still commit those crimes at twice the rate of white people. It is like four times the rate just looking at murder. We are responsible for about 16% of white people murdered, twice the 8% of black people killed by white people.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

While it is hard to say is systemic police racism is a myth, I think this topic would be better phrased if the subject stated, "Systemic police racism in terms of police killings is a myth."

What can be proven is that there is no racial bias when it comes to police killings, contrary to what the media would have you believe. Michigan State did a study last year showing that it isn't race that predicts the percentage of police shootings, it is violent crime rates. Black people are actually more likely to be shot by black officers.

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2019/the-truth-behind-racial-disparities-in-fatal-police-shootings/

It is true that black people are killed at a higher rate by police when you look at the rate using the entire population as the denominator but if you use the violent crime arrests as the denominator, the rate of police shootings is the same for white people as it is for black people. In 2018, 399 white people were killed by the police and there were 230,299 violent crime arrests for white people. In 2018, 209 black people were killed by the police and there were 147,734 violent crime arrests for black people. The rate difference is miniscule but it is actually slight higher for white people, 0.17%, and it was for black people, 0.14%.

On the other hand, police are killed by black people at a much higher rate than they are killed by white people. There were 28 police officers feloniously killed by white people in 2019 and 15 police officers feloniously killed by black people. Accounting for the fact that the US is 76.5% and 13.4% black, that means black people kill police officers at three times the rate white people kill police officers.

Everyone is killed by their race at much higher rates than they are by anyone else. Most murders are personal and family and friend networks are very likekly to be with others of the same race. That's literally just how murder works, it's not some pathology unique to the black community.

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legendary_zell posted...

Everyone is killed by their race at much higher rates than they are by anyone else. Most murders are personal and family and friend networks are very likekly to be with others of the same race. That's literally just how murder works, it's not some pathology unique to the black community.

Yes but it is higher for us, 88.9%, than it is for white people, 80%.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

Yes but it is higher for us, 88.9%, than it is for white people, 80%.

I don't think that less than 10 percent difference is enough to justify people constantly using it to deflect from police brutality and harassment. People don't even use it in a statistical sense, they use it as a cudgel to beat down people who raise too much fuss about injustice.

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legendary_zell posted...

I don't think that less than 10 percent difference is enough to justify people constantly using it to deflect from police brutality and harassment. People don't even use it in a statistical sense, they use it as a cudgel to beat down people who raise too much fuss about injustice.

10% is a pretty big difference, especially when you consider the population demographics of the United States. Only 8% of black people murdered in 2018 were murdered by white people and white people make up 76.5% of the population. Black people only make up 13.4% of the population yet we accounted for 88.9% of black people murdered, and 15.5% of white people murdered.

It should not be used as a cudgel, as you say, but it needs to at least be discussed. Black-on-black violence is a much, much larger problem than police-on-black or white-on-black violence. The argument could be made that systemic racism, i.e. the man keeping us down, is a partial cause of that but all that does is deflect responsibility, as some people in this topic have mentioned.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

10% is a pretty big difference, especially when you consider the population demographics of the United States. Only 8% of black people murdered in 2018 were murdered by white people and white people make up 76.5% of the population. Black people only make up 13.4% of the population yet we accounted for 88.9% of black people murdered, and 15.5% of white people murdered.

It should not be used as a cudgel, as you say, but it needs to at least be discussed. Black-on-black violence is a much, much larger problem than police-on-black or white-on-black violence. The argument could be made that systemic racism, i.e. the man keeping us down, is a partial cause of that but all that does is deflect responsibility, as some people in this topic have mentioned.

The thing with black perps on black victims is that the perps are charged, arrested and prosecuted.

In a lot of these viral instances of police brutality against black people, the cops would still be on the job if it weren't for camera phones. Even in the event of camera recordings we have to sit and wonder if these cops will be held accountable.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

And for the "we only people commit violent crimes because white people keep us in poverty" crowd, that is also false. Even if you assume 100% of the violent crimes in 2019 were committed by people living in poverty, we still commit those crimes at twice the rate of white people. It is like four times the rate just looking at murder. We are responsible for about 16% of white people murdered, twice the 8% of black people killed by white people.

Yikes

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hockeybub89 posted...

Yikes

I apologize if this offends anyone. I am very emotional about this subject because I am tired of the media acting like my people are using poverty and "systemic racism" as reasoning for committing crimes. I grew up in a poor black home in poor black neighborhoods around other poor black people. Not one black person I have spoken to in-person about this whole "situation" is talking about defunding the police or the need for police reform. The police do need change but we need change, too, and it isn't going to come from defunding the police or more money for charities and community programs.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

I apologize if this offends anyone. I am very emotional about this subject because I am tired of the media acting like my people are using poverty and "systemic racism" as reasoning for committing crimes. I grew up in a poor black home in poor black neighborhoods around other poor black people. Not one black person I have spoken to in-person about this whole "situation" is talking about defunding the police or the need for police reform. The police do need change but we need change, too, and it isn't going to come from defunding the police or more money for charities and community programs.

What changes need to be made within the black community?

abaddon41_80 posted...

I apologize if this offends anyone. I am very emotional about this subject because I am tired of the media acting like my people are using poverty and "systemic racism" as reasoning for committing crimes. I grew up in a poor black home in poor black neighborhoods around other poor black people. Not one black person I have spoken to in-person about this whole "situation" is talking about defunding the police or the need for police reform. The police do need change but we need change, too, and it isn't going to come from defunding the police or more money for charities and community programs.

What changes are you looking for?

There's several issues at play here.

1. Crime is committed at twice the rate because cops are actively trying to bust the black communities more often, so white people get away with crime that black people don't.
2. Corrolary to 1, cops are trying to bust black communities more often because of racist shithags like Amy Cooper.
3. Black people are often given harsher sentences than white people.
4. The entire prison system is set up as such that you can never escape. It destroys whatever life you had, takes everything away from you, and then dumps you on the street on your own. This ultimately leads to repeat offending as recently released convicts have very limited options. Because of #1, this means black people become predisposed to committing more and more crimes.

Black people are being pushed down and held down not just by cops, but by a completely corrupt and racist criminal justice system. It's a racist system designed to enforce the very stereotypes that it created.

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