Current Events > Systemic police racism is a myth. This is about police brutality (proof inside).

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We need to train cops to not kneel on people's necks for almost nine minutes? They don't know that that's bad?

darkprince45 posted...

but yet a majority of the protesting is about racist white cops killing blacks. Which is not the story. Chauvins incident is clearly from lack of being properly trained in hand to hand tactics, de escalation, etc

Chauvin wasn't just not trained properly. He had a history of doing awful shit and always getting away with it. That means not only was he a problem, but superiors all the way up to Amy Klobuchar saw fit to allow him to be a problem. That's a systemic problem and it's why we're saying that there's systemic racism.

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legendary_zell posted...

When cops feel sufficiently threatened by a brown person, all that training and supervsion goes out the window and then the system closes ranks to reinforce that behavior, from police unions, to police chiefs, to prosecutors, to judges, to juries.

You can argue this for almost anybody, not just brown people. The point still stands, holding the police to a standard by law and punishing those who violate it will solve many of those issues. Your complicated issues have been mitigated by a simple solution
legendary_zell posted...

and expect to get away with it when people say "the victim was no angel."

And opinions like should be irrelevant. "The victim was no angel"/"he was a gentle giant who never hurt anyone" have zero relevancy.

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Lol this topic went as expected.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Chauvin wasn't just not trained properly. He had a history of doing awful shit and always getting away with it. That means not only was he a problem, but superiors all the way up to Amy Klobuchar saw fit to allow him to be a problem. That's a systemic problem and it's why we're saying that there's systemic racism.

I heard he was a training officer that trained other cops.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

I heard he was a training officer that trained other cops.

and that's how the bad behavior gets passed down. bad cops teach new cops to be bad

Why is that African Americans represent 12 percent of the US population but lead the nation in murder, robbery, and almost every violent crime

Troll confirmed

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Chauvin wasn't just not trained properly. He had a history of doing awful shit and always getting away with it. That means not only was he a problem, but superiors all the way up to Amy Klobuchar saw fit to allow him to be a problem. That's a systemic problem and it's why we're saying that there's systemic racism.

Absolutely.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Chauvin wasn't just not trained properly. He had a history of doing awful shit and always getting away with it. That means not only was he a problem, but superiors all the way up to Amy Klobuchar saw fit to allow him to be a problem. That's a systemic problem and it's why we're saying that there's systemic racism.

i agree with you about chauvin 100 percent

EarlWallingford posted...

Troll confirmed

How is that trolling? Im explaining how theres multiple factors besides racist white cops.... theres a lot of different factors involved

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darkprince45 posted...

Why is that African Americans represent 12 percent of the US population but lead the nation in murder, robbery, and almost every violent crime

https://bit.ly/37cC0Sk

By taking crime statistics at face value, Taylor made the same mistake Frederick Hoffman did in 1896: blaming higher rates of black crime on an innate black criminality, when in fact those disproportionate crime rates could be explained by poverty and related structural disadvantages. On average, African Americans were and remain far poorer and more likely to live in disadvantaged neighborhoods than whites. Concentrated poverty has a criminogenic effect: lack of access to jobs, increased idle time and poorer educational opportunities all increase ones chances of engaging in criminal behavior, and the effect is the same for black and white people. One study, released three years before The Color of Crime, found that when sociologists controlled for structural disadvantages, there were no significant differences between crime rates in black and white communities.[59]

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None of that has to do with what Im talking about tho.

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Frolex posted...

He blocked me lol

Darkprince really can't stand the reality of acab.

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It's exactly what you're talking about. The reason black people make up a large proportion of criminal offenses is because they are disproportionately poor. Almost entirely because of racism as I pointed out in my first post in this topic

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fucking lmao, did darkprince literally just 1350 this topic?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#13.25

What an embarrassment, no wonder he's hiding from me

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For example, african American account for 50 percent of homicides in the US. Which is like 25 percent higher than the next race. This a major crime that would affect incarceration rates no? Im simply stating a lot of different things affect that not just racist cops

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

The reason black people make up a large proportion of criminal offenses is because they are disproportionately poor.

But whether you like it or not, that would result in more police contacts in response to crimes. Which would lead to what? Incarceration

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darkprince45 posted...

For example, african American account for 50 percent of homicides in the US. Which is like 25 percent higher than the next race. This a major crime that would affect incarceration rates no? Im simply stating a lot of different things affect that not just racist cops

except some portion of those murders were frame jobs. black people are more likely than white people to be accused and convicted of murders that they didn't commit

Zikten posted...

except some portion of those murders were frame jobs. black people are more likely than white people to be accused and convicted of murders that they didn't commit

They also lead in robbery, burglary, gang related crimes, and many other categories. The statistics they lead in are more serious crimes that would result in police contact and arrest. I really dont believe the narrative of the racist white cops are just targeting black people

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Frolex posted...

fucking lmao, did darkprince literally just 1350 this topic?

What an embarrassment, no wonder he's hiding from me

He sure did

darkprince45 posted...

that would result in more police contacts in response to crimes. Which would lead to what? Incarceration

Yes, which is the entire fucking point. Black people are disproportionately affected by police brutality because many are poor. Which, again, is the result of systemic racism.

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Especially when data is showing white people are being jailed more than black people at an increasing rate each year

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Frolex posted...

fucking lmao, did darkprince literally just 1350 this topic?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#13.25

What an embarrassment, no wonder he's hiding from me

Holy shit at this wiki. No doubt an excellent source for information.

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

Yes, which is the entire fucking point. Black people are disproportionately affected by police brutality because many are poor. Which, again, is the result of systemic racism.

Being arrested for felony crimes isnt police brutality

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Of course the user I blocked is taking what I said out of context to try and stir shit. Pathetic

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Of course the user I blocked is taking what I said out of context to try and stir s***. Pathetic

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Imagine blocking someone and then hoping on an alt to see what they posted.

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Tmaster148 posted...

Imagine blocking someone and then hoping on an alt to see what they posted.

Is it any worse than being blocked and knowing what I posted??

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

It's exactly what you're talking about. The reason black people make up a large proportion of criminal offenses is because they are disproportionately poor. Almost entirely because of racism as I pointed out in my first post in this topic

Hmm, you really believe this? I hear this excuse a lot. By your logic, shouldnt there be massively more homicide and violent crime, since there are very poor people of every race all across the country? I mean, a majority of the world lives in more poverty than anyone in the US by far. Shouldnt they be all murdering and robbing each other at astronomical rates?

Id like to hear your explanation.

This dude really be staying logged in on two accounts so he can keep track of the people he blocked without risk of embarrassing himself further in an argument lol

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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Is it any worse than being blocked and knowing what I posted??

actually yeah because i don't need to open two accounts to see your shitposts

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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Is it any worse than being blocked and knowing what I posted??

Blocking a user because they hurt your feelings and then jumping on an alt to attack them is pretty pathetic. But I guess from someone who claims to be a cop that kind of behavior should be expected.

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lol, just block me again bro

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Vindris_SNH posted...

There are statistics within the article. Again, read.

The one that requires a subscription after the first paragraph? No thanks

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Arcanine2009 posted...

The one that requires a subscription after the first paragraph? No thanks

Arcanine2009 posted...

The one that requires a subscription after the first paragraph? No thanks

i think you have to view in private


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and there he goes agian. now to see if he's got a third tab open

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I got blocked for calling him out on his pathetic behavior. For a cop he really doesn't have good control over his emotions.

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Its clear those two are not interested in having actual discussion and prefer to troll. Blocked

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darkprince45 posted...

again you guys just love to the point the finger and say bad policeman. Yes, we need to figure out how to get rid of the bad dumbass shit cops. But you dont think there are problems outside of the system? Why is that African Americans represent 12 percent of the US population but lead the nation in murder, robbery, and almost every violent crime. Do you not think that affects incarceration rates as well? Despite leading those stats, black people incarceration rates are going down while white people are going up.

Because the crime rate has more to do with your socioeconomic background. Basically (and there are a lot of important caveats here, but basically...) poor people commit more crimes. And you'll find more cops in poor black neighborhoods. Which is why you see more arrests of black people despite committing murders and other violent crimes at basically the same rate as white people.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Id like to hear your explanation.

I already linked it in the post before that, dude

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

In short, stats can easily be misrepresented.

Except for the statistics that back my argument, amirite?

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

I already linked it in the post before that, dude

Dude, your article literally says "when sociologists controlled for structural disadvantages". And you bolded it like it proves a point. Do you know what controlled means? It means thats not the raw number, its a sociologist saying yes they commit more violent crime and murder but because they are poor and the US is racist, we are going to say its actually this figure that fits their narrative. They pulled it out their ass, we are talking actual data, not an interpretation. And that doesnt refute anything i said in post # 128 so, id like to hear your thoughts.

Lol, someone doesn't know what "controlled" in a statistical sense means

Keith_Valentine posted...

Do you know what controlled means?

You clearly do not

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Frolex posted...

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1607.05376.pdf

We start with standard benchmark and outcome analyses of North Carolina traffic stops. Table 1 shows that the search rate for black drivers (5.4%) and Hispanic drivers (4.1%) is higher than for whites drivers (3.1%). Moreover, when searched, the rate of recovering contraband on blacks (29%) and Hispanics (19%) is lower than when searching whites (32%). Thus both the benchmark and outcome tests point to discrimination in search decisions against blacks and Hispanics.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0141854

The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average. Furthermore, the results of multi-level modeling show that there exists significant heterogeneity across counties in the extent of racial bias in police shootings, with some counties showing relative risk ratios of 20 to 1 or more.

https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data

An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that innocent New Yorkers have been subjected to police stops and street interrogations more than 5 million times since 2002, and that Black and Latinx communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics. At the height of stop-and-frisk in 2011 under the Bloomberg administration, over 685,000 people were stopped. Nearly 9 out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2017/05/30/1702413114.full.pdf

We find that officers speak with consistently less respect toward black versus white community members, even after controlling for the race of the officer, the severity of the infraction, the location of the stop, and the outcome of the stop. Such disparities in common, everyday interactions between police and the communities they serve have important implications for procedural justice and the building of policecommunity trust.

https://bit.ly/3cGiOO7

cross the city, black people were arrested on low-level marijuana charges at eight times the rate of white, non-Hispanic people over the past three years, The New York Times found. Hispanic people were arrested at five times the rate of white people. In Manhattan, the gap is even starker: Black people there were arrested at 15 times the rate of white people.

An analysis by The Times found that fact did not fully explain the racial disparity. Instead, among neighborhoods where people called about marijuana at the same rate, the police almost always made arrests at a higher rate in the area with more black residents, The Times found.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/jus14-warcomeshome-report-web-rel1.pdf

The numbers become even more troubling when examining the racial breakdowns for search warrants. Of the deployments in which all of the people impacted were minorities, the deployment was for the purpose of executing a search warrant in 80 percent of cases, and where the people impacted were a mix of white people and minorities, the deployment was for the purpose of executing a search warrant in 84 percent of cases. In contrast, when all of the people impacted were white, the purpose was to execute a search warrant in 65 percent of cases. When the number of people impacted by a deployment was known, 42 percent of people impacted by a SWAT deployment to execute a search warrant were Black and 12 percent were Latino. So overall, of the people impacted by deployments for warrants, 54 percent were minorities. In contrast, nearly half of the people impacted by deployments involving hostage, barricade, or active shooter scenarios were white, whereas only 22 percent were minorities (the rest were people who were known to have been impacted by hostage, barricade, or active shooter scenarios but whose race was not known, so the difference could be even greater).

https://www.aclu.org/report/report-war-marijuana-black-and-white?redirect=criminal-law-reform/war-marijuana-black-and-white

Marijuana use is roughly equal among Blacks and whites, yet Blacks are 3.73 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession.

http://faculty.cwsl.edu/benner/aaRacialDisparityinNarcoticsSearchWarrants.pdf

As seen in Table 29 below, Whites were significantly underrepresented while Hispanics and Blacks were significantly over-represented as targets of narcotics search warrants issued in the county as a whole.

http://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race_and_Wrongful_Convictions.pdf

The best national evidence on drug use shows that African Americans and whites use illegal drugs at about the same rate. Nonetheless, African Americans are about five times as likely to go to prison for drug possession as whitesand judging from exonerations, innocent black people are about 12 times more likely to be convicted of drug crimes than innocent white people.

@Frolex Nice use of sources! Did you have these already pulled up or are you a human search engine?


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indica posted...

@Frolex Nice use of sources! Did you have these already pulled up or are you a human search engine?

I've had them on hand, but I originally pulled them from an article that held a bunch more sources, I'll see if I can find it again.

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Keith_Valentine posted...

Do you know what controlled means?

Apparently you don't

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https://wapo.st/2XI88dv

there it is

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Frolex posted...

https://wapo.st/2XI88dv

there it is

Thanks for the link!

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

Apparently you don't

Youre just gonna ignore my point huh, because you have nothing to say?

Keith_Valentine posted...

Hmm, you really believe this? I hear this excuse a lot. By your logic, shouldnt there be massively more homicide and violent crime, since there are very poor people of every race all across the country? I mean, a majority of the world lives in more poverty than anyone in the US by far. Shouldnt they be all murdering and robbing each other at astronomical rates?

Id like to hear your explanation.

Let him talk for himself boys, unless you want a crack at this.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Youre just gonna ignore my point huh, because you have nothing to say?

Your entire "point" relies on your lack of understanding of what a control is

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