Current Events > Why is it unpopular opinion to say not all cops are bad

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Looking at all these black celebrities getting backlash for not condemning everyone who is a cop is hilarious.

Hell, the MN mayor got boo'd for basically saying they need a police force. i'm of the mindset where everyone who thinks we don't need the police can go live in one of those empty states and we'll move the police force somewhere else, and then they can enjoy that life

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https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1269322620316442625

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It's not about not condemning every cop. It's about the statement being an attempt to shift the argument off of the oppression many, many authority systems and people put on others, and to try to make those protesting look irrational.

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"ACAB!!"
"Oh hi 911, there's a man breaking into my house"
>what do you expect us to do about it?
"Send help!"
>ambulance or fire sir?
"Police"
>they don't exist sir
"But his gun is bigger than mine"
>this service is for ambulance or fire only sir, have a good day

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BlockAddition posted...

"ACAB!!"
"Oh hi 911, there's a man breaking into my house"
>what do you expect us to do about it?
"Send help!"
>ambulance or fire sir?
"Police"
>they don't exist sir
"But his gun is bigger than mine"
>this service is for ambulance or fire only sir, have a good day

Dispatch: thank you for your request sir, officer Amber Guyger is on her way to assist you

Officer Guyger: *kills your neighbor*

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Romulox28 posted...

Dispatch: thank you for your request sir, officer Amber Guyger is on her way to assist you

Officer Guyger: *kills your neighbor*

A valid response as everyone knows an officer killing someone is super likely, i mean theres like one cop murder for every two 911 calls! /s

Corrupt_Power posted...

It's not about not condemning every cop. It's about the statement being an attempt to shift the argument off of the oppression many, many authority systems and people put on others, and to try to make those protesting look irrational.

This

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Post 2 is exactly the post I would've made
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good cops cover for the bad ones. it is very easy to become a cop, and very hard to be fired.

not saying that ALL cops are bad but its way more than just a few bad apples. especially when all of the brutality, racism, etc; its all systemic. we need complete reform.

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Just a vocal minority that the irony is lost on

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BlockAddition posted...

"ACAB!!"
"Oh hi 911, there's a man breaking into my house"
>what do you expect us to do about it?
"Send help!"
>ambulance or fire sir?
"Police"
>they don't exist sir
"But his gun is bigger than mine"
>this service is for ambulance or fire only sir, have a good day

To be fair if a guy is breaking into your crib and you call 911 you are going to have to deal with it either way. At best cops will be there in 5 minutes which will be too late.

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Corrupt_Power posted...

It's not about not condemning every cop. It's about the statement being an attempt to shift the argument off of the oppression many, many authority systems and people put on others, and to try to make those protesting look irrational.

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probably has something to do with all the horrible stuff they're doing and all the transparently terrible people defending them

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Corrupt_Power posted...

It's not about not condemning every cop. It's about the statement being an attempt to shift the argument off of the oppression many, many authority systems and people put on others, and to try to make those protesting look irrational.

This is true some of the time, but not always. I would say not even the majority of the time lately. ACAB is being thrown around like crazy, it's not attempting to shift the argument or make protesters look irrational to respond to somebody saying that all cops are bad by saying no they're not.

Few cops would have killed George Floyd

Near zero cops would have saved his life.

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The people who say that tend to think the good cops are much higher in number than in reality.

Like "most cops are good people"

But that is not true . Good cops seem to be super rare and even them, need to answer for why they have just stood silently and let their coworkers commit atrocities

Romulox28 posted...
Zikten posted...

The people who say that tend to think the good cops are much higher in number than in reality.

Like "most cops are good people"

But that is not true . Good cops seem to be super rare and even them, need to answer for why they have just stood silently and let their coworkers commit atrocities

Good cops are not rare.

Good cops dont make the news. You dont get lauded for doing what youre supposed to do.

But Im not going to rehash this same argument. Its been had here and everywhere enough that its tired.

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Patchwork posted...

Romulox28 posted...
Zikten posted...

The people who say that tend to think the good cops are much higher in number than in reality.

Like "most cops are good people"

But that is not true . Good cops seem to be super rare and even them, need to answer for why they have just stood silently and let their coworkers commit atrocities

Good cops are not rare.

Good cops dont make the news. You dont get lauded for doing what youre supposed to do.

But Im not going to rehash this same argument. Its been had here and everywhere enough that its tired.

Good cops don't allow the bad cops to get away with things. Doing nothing makes you complicit.
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Patchwork posted...

Good cops are not rare.

Good cops dont make the news. You dont get lauded for doing what youre supposed to do.

have you never seen a cop portrayed in the media before?

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Blanket generalizations are usually a bad thing, but how many cops have publicly denounced the excessive violence, or (publicly) resigned over it?

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Patchwork posted...

Good cops are not rare.

Good cops dont make the news. You dont get lauded for doing what youre supposed to do.

But Im not going to rehash this same argument. Its been had here and everywhere enough that its tired.

the entire police system is corrupt. bad cops are the norm. if there was as many good cops as you seem to think, the systemic racism wouldn't exist. anyway I have seen "feel good" stories about so called good cops who may or not be frauds.

Zikten posted...

the entire police system is corrupt. bad cops are the norm. if there was as many good cops as you seem to think, the systemic racism wouldn't exist. anyway I have seen "feel good" stories about so called good cops who may or not be frauds.

And what statistics do you have to claim that?

BlockAddition posted...

"ACAB!!"
"Oh hi 911, there's a man breaking into my house"
>what do you expect us to do about it?
"Send help!"
>ambulance or fire sir?
"Police"
>they don't exist sir
"But his gun is bigger than mine"
>this service is for ambulance or fire only sir, have a good day

Ems and fire fighters dont actually operate without police support, nor should they.

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I don't have numbers, but it's a known fact that black people get disproportionately assaulted by police. when a white guy murdered an entire church of black people, police took him through a fast food drive through on the way to prison. when black people are just walking down the street, cops kill them

also black people tend to get harsher punishments in criminal trials, for the same crimes than white criminals.

You guys do know its election year, right? Youre all getting played by the system.

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Zikten posted...

I don't have numbers, but it's a known fact that black people get disproportionately assaulted by police. when a white guy murdered an entire church of black people, police took him through a fast food drive through on the way to prison. when black people are just walking down the street, cops kill them

also black people tend to get harsher punishments in criminal trials, for the same crimes than white criminals.

You dont have the numbers? Then dont spout nonsense with nothing to support it.

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while it's true that the police system is corrupt, that isn't the main problem with it. it's the things that police are tasked with doing

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if you want to hide your head in the sand, keep doing it. but the rest of us will focus on the issues happening in real life

Zikten posted...

I don't have numbers, but it's a known fact that black people get disproportionately assaulted by police. when a white guy murdered an entire church of black people, police took him through a fast food drive through on the way to prison. when black people are just walking down the street, cops kill them

also black people tend to get harsher punishments in criminal trials, for the same crimes than white criminals.

That's indicative of an issue. It's not indicative of a major percentage of police being bad people. If you're going to claim "most of X is Y", provide statistics or you're just talking out of your ass.

40 percent of cops give to charity and are positively involved in their communities. It's true, google "cops 40 percent"

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It's not.

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nemu posted...

That's indicative of an issue. It's not indicative of a major percentage of police being bad people. If you're going to claim "most of X is Y", provide statistics or you're just talking out of your ass.

Numbers are racist.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

In case theres a paywall, some tidbits:

...This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyds arrest, it isnt representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines unarmed broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase.

In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

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The police force, and authority systems in general, is comprised of people from the population. They represent the population. The percentage of bad people in the police force is likely the same as the percentage of bad people in the United States.

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Intro2Logic posted...

40 percent of cops give to charity and are positively involved in their communities. It's true, google "cops 40 percent"

Your funny statement you are actually trying to make is false

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Patchwork posted...

Numbers are racist.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

In addition to this article,

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2019/the-truth-behind-racial-disparities-in-fatal-police-shootings/

We found that the race of the officer doesnt matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot," Cesario said. "If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers"

Many people ask whether black or white citizens are more likely to be shot and why. We found that violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings, Cesario said. Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot."

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abaddon41_80 posted...

The police force, and authority systems in general, is comprised of people from the population. They represent the population. The percentage of bad people in the police force is likely the same as the percentage of bad people in the United States.

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Patchwork posted...

Numbers are racist.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

This is an opinion piece, and this chick likely is racist under the guise of law and order. She's a conservative commentator that calls for the return of stop and frisk, zero tolerance policing. She's a vocal critic of Black Lives Matter.


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Taharqa_ posted...

This is an opinion piece, and this chick likely is racist under the guise of law and order

What? Never

https://www.mediamatters.org/heather-mac-donald/frequent-tucker-carlson-guest-best-solution-reconstruct-black-family-so-these
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abaddon41_80 posted...

The police force, and authority systems in general, is comprised of people from the population. They represent the population. The percentage of bad people in the police force is likely the same as the percentage of bad people in the United States.

I don't think that's how that works unless cops and other jobs are selected by a random draw of the entire population. Do professional athletes prove there are no morbidly obese Americans?

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Antifar posted...

What? Never

https://www.mediamatters.org/heather-mac-donald/frequent-tucker-carlson-guest-best-solution-reconstruct-black-family-so-these

She probably still uses the word negro in her private life.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I don't think that's how that works unless cops and other jobs are selected by a random draw of the entire population.

A lot of cops are being hired from outside the areas they police

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"People need to make better choices" just seems like a convenient way to ignore the bad choices other people make. Why can't cops make better choices than abusing people? Why didn't the bad cops have better parents growing up?

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Right, right. So, the numbers are incorrect, is what youre saying?

Shes most definitely wrong in saying there are no differences in sentencing, but shes not wrong that the vast majority of police contacts are non violent or that the majority of police shootings are armed subjects.

For Christs sake, you can look at the body of an article and glean facts without while-heartedly supporting the author.

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Patchwork posted...

Shes most definitely wrong in saying there are no differences in sentencing, but shes not wrong that the vast majority of police contacts are non violent or that the majority of police shootings are armed subjects.

If 98% of landscapers are good, it doesn't make it ok that 2% throw people into wood chippers

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hockeybub89 posted...

If 98% of landscapers are good, it doesn't make it ok that 2% throw people into wood chippers

Does that mean you stop landscaping, or deal with the 2%?

You deal with the 2%.

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Intro2Logic posted...

40 percent of cops give to charity and are positively involved in their communities. It's true, google "cops 40 percent"

Lol

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Patchwork posted...

Does that mean you stop landscaping, or deal with the 2%?

You deal with the 2%.

And nobody is dealing with the 2%.

It took millions of people a week of protesting to get a guy who murdered someone on tape to get arrested.

If the tape was never released the pig would still roam free. If people didn't protest he would be at home right now.
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it's pretty easy:

1. Stop covering up police crimes

2. Stop training cops that we're some occupied enemy force

People who are saying defund the police are either dumb or wanting to commit crimes.

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