Current Events > Keith_Valentine is warned AGAIN somehow

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/community/Keith_Valentine

3rd time within like 2 weeks??

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Get that ass banned

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Well he's a racist and a bully so it's not hard to believe.
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Yesterday he called an article posted by a user 'biased and liberal' for linking poverty to violence and then mused as to whether hip hop was the real reason for violence in such communities

Malfunction posted...

Yesterday he called an article posted by a user 'biased and liberal' for linking poverty to violence and then mused as to whether hip hop was the real reason for violence in such communities

lmao top clown behavior

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Malfunction posted...

Yesterday he called an article posted by a user 'biased and liberal' for linking poverty to violence and then mused as to whether hip hop was the real reason for violence in such communities

sweet jesus

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Well he's a racist and a bully so it's not hard to believe.

it's weird that it's not a suspension yet

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Malfunction posted...

Yesterday he called an article posted by a user 'biased and liberal' for linking poverty to violence and then mused as to whether hip hop was the real reason for violence in such communities

Oh dear.

Awkward because we've had some nice chats in the past but there's only so much of this you can be alright with. Preferably none of it tbh.

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It's also kinda funny to me that he is a literal felon and is always talking shit about how other users are pussies, aren't tough like him etc but then shit pops off this week and he's handwringing about criminal activity and violence

Felon? What did he do

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Malfunction posted...

It's also kinda funny to me that he is a literal felon and is always talking s*** about how other users are p******

thats just funny because hes like the most fragile person on the site, he goes into meltdown mode if the breeze blows against him slightly too hard

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Malfunction posted...

he is a literal felon

What is the lore on this?

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Malfunction posted...

Yesterday he called an article posted by a user 'biased and liberal' for linking poverty to violence and then mused as to whether hip hop was the real reason for violence in such communities

Not to defend Keith because he's a pretty horrible poster, but why are you being disingenuous again? He said that the glorification led to violence in the community not that it was the main reason and it does. Studies have shown that Hip Hop does have a higher prevalence of violence associated with it and people in the hood my age that have kids have been trying to downplay the glorification to them in recent years to avoid their same mistakes.

I grew up in the hood in NYC. I know first hand how much influence rap had on our behavior and it's definitely a big problem that caused violence. We idolized tons of rappers.

The rest of his response was garbage, but it's weird you focused on the thing that actually has backing to it.

Be honest. Have you ever actually met anybody from the hood?

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https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2019/06/28/evidence-shows-that-live-hip-hop-is-no-more-linked-to-violence-than-country-music-or-karaoke/

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gikos posted...

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2019/06/28/evidence-shows-that-live-hip-hop-is-no-more-linked-to-violence-than-country-music-or-karaoke/

That's talking about live Hip Hop events lol. It completely ignores everything I said.

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InfinityMonster posted...

That's talking about live Hip Hop events lol. It completely ignores everything I said.

true but might as say video games and movies also make people violent too right there are rap against gang violence and police brutishly as well if you know hack here is tupac last song that hits the nail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXvBjCO19QY


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InfinityMonster posted...

Not to defend Keith because he's a pretty horrible poster, but why are you being disingenuous again? He said that the glorification led to violence in the community not that it was the main reason and it does. Studies have shown that Hip Hop does have a higher prevalence of violence associated with it and people in the hood my age that have kids have been trying to downplay the glorification to them in recent years to avoid their same mistakes.

I grew up in the hood in NYC. I know first hand how much influence rap had on our behavior and it's definitely a big problem that caused violence. We idolized tons of rappers.

The rest of his response was garbage, but it's weird you focused on the thing that actually has backing to it.

Be honest. Have you ever actually met anybody from the hood?

I don't think Keith is speaking of it in good faith, especially wedged in after a comment about how 'black people kill each other more than anybody else does' and saying he has the stats of anybody wants them. It was a weird non-sequitur and read like a generic right wing cultural panic talking point rather than one of genuine concern, especially given the person it came from.

People can definitely derive the wrong and indeed negative messages from media, whether it be music or TV or film or video games or whatever. I am very much in favour of looking at the root cause of bad behaviour than laying the blame at the door of music or whatever else is the easiest scapegoat available. Same goes for people blaming the opioid crisis on rappers openly referencing drug use. Or people calling Elvis or whoever satanic back on the day.

oh yeah i forgot the biggest bogeyman of the old days rock n roll and metal/heavy metal music
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/09/metal.violence/index.html


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gikos posted...

true but might as say video games and movies also make people violent too right there are rap against gang violence and police brutishly as well if you know hack here is tupac last song that hits the nail

Are you from the hood? Then please stop talking about it quoting Changes.

Tupac and Biggie definitely had big negative impacts on us in the 90s and 00s. We idolized them and their behavior along with tons of others. It was a state of mind.

Again, there are studies. Here's one.

https://spssi.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1540-4560.00008

Can this still be said today? Definitely not as bad because people from the earlier generation that suffered from it have been trying to change it. The violent rap of the 90s and early 00s are very different from the stuff today.

Malfunction posted...

I don't think Keith is speaking of it in good faith, especially wedged in after a comment about how 'black people kill each other more than anybody else does' and saying he has the stats of anybody wants them. It was a weird non-sequitur and read like a generic right wing cultural panic talking point rather than one of genuine concern, especially given the person it came from.

People can definitely derive the wrong and indeed negative messages from media, whether it be music or TV or film or video games or whatever. I am very much in favour of looking at the root cause of bad behaviour than laying the blame at the door of music or whatever else is the easiest scapegoat available. Same goes for people blaming the opioid crisis on rappers openly referencing drug use. Or people calling Elvis or whoever satanic back on the day.

And this is based on... Your experience listening to rap while sitting in Ireland?

Again, there are several studies on this and some white dude from Ireland would know jack about it. I ask again, have you ever interacted with anybody from the hood? Or is it more third hand experience?

I already said the rest of his response was garbage, but he brought up a good point on the front you tried to get him on.

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InfinityMonster posted...

Are you from the hood? Then please stop talking about it quoting Changes.

nah i grew up in refugee camp till i was 8 and lost my older brother to a bunch of racist asshole who beat him to a coma and my mother watched him slowly die in a hospital does that lend me some creed and oh i am african not american

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Garioshi posted...

Get that ass banned

gikos posted...

nah i grew up in refugee camp till i was 8 and lost my older brother to a bunch of racist asshole who beat him to a coma and my mother watched him slowly die in a hospital does that lend me some creed and oh i am african not american

Jeez bro, sorry for your loss. I didn't mean to get at you like that. But I hope you understand some of the points I'm making. It was kind of a culture in the hood. Rappers were definitely glorified and we all tried to act like them and it lead to some very bad situations.

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just ban this dude

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spudger posted...

just ban this dude

Like that changes anything. Hairistotle is banned and every moderation leads to another ban, yet he keeps returning.

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InfinityMonster posted...

Jeez bro, sorry for your loss. I didn't mean to get at you like that. But I hope you understand some of the points I'm making. It was kind of a culture in the hood. Rappers were definitely glorified and we all tried to act like them and it lead to some very bad situations.

sorry dude didn't mean to go off you like that it's just i hated the stupid shit racist asshole use the gimmick ''black on black crime'' or ''culture of violence'' shit that crap hands wave the underlining problem most of us poor people around the world and this whole thing triggered my brother's death and the fact the killer weren't caught or tried
for what's it's worth i understand i bit what your trying to say and i guess i could agree a middle ground on it

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InfinityMonster posted...

And this is based on... Your experience listening to rap while sitting in Ireland?

I don't really get the aggro here my guy. I do not think Keith is coming at this from a position of good faith. If Keith said video games or movies or something were responsible in a vacuum for societal violence I would consider it bad also. Coming from somebody who bookends the point with very obvious dogwhistle makes it pretty objectionable to me.

Keith also explicitly acknowledged that these guys were often rapping about getting out of the hood, their own experiences in it etc. People have derived the wrong message from stuff like Scarface. It happens. It's irresponsible to dismiss a study, like Keith did, as being biased and liberal for linking poverty and violence and then ponder whether hip hop is the actual root cause. That is a massive dogwhistle. I do not buy for a second that Keith was citing studies in that non sequitur.

This stuff is true the world over too btw. People are currently trying to blame UK and Irish drill for violence here. Terrible social housing planning in decades gone by condemned entire generations to poverty and a cycle of violence. People have always tried to look for easy options and external stimulants as a means to justify dehumanising people. Rejecting that is not objectionable regardless of where you're from.

The primary consumer of rap in 2020 is probably suburban white kids if anything. Nobody is saying these kids are flipping bricks because they're bumping Migos while playing fortnite.

InfinityMonster posted...

Jeez bro, sorry for your loss. I didn't mean to get at you like that. But I hope you understand some of the points I'm making. It was kind of a culture in the hood. Rappers were definitely glorified and we all tried to act like them and it lead to some very bad situations.

I don't really have a problem with acknowledging this either BTW. I just don't think Keith was coming at the point from a position of good faith and I certainly don't think rappers talking shit is the sole cause of anti-social behaviour either.

gikos posted...

sorry dude didn't mean to go off you like that it's just i hated the stupid shit racist asshole use the gimmick ''black on black crime'' or ''culture of violence'' shit that crap hands wave the underlining problem most of us poor people around the world and this whole thing triggered my brother's death and the fact the killer weren't caught or tried
for what's it's worth i understand i bit what your trying to say and i guess i could agree a middle ground on it

No problem. Where are you from btw?

Malfunction posted...

I don't really get the aggro here my guy. I do not think Keith is coming at this from a position of good faith. If Keith said video games or movies or something were responsible in a vacuum for societal violence I would consider it bad also. Coming from somebody who bookends the point with very obvious dogwhistle makes it pretty objectionable to me.

Keith also explicitly acknowledged that these guys were often rapping about getting out of the hood, their own experiences in it etc. People have derived the wrong message from stuff like Scarface. It happens. It's irresponsible to dismiss a study, like Keith did, as being biased and liberal for linking poverty and violence and then ponder whether hip hop is the actual root cause. That is a massive dogwhistle. I do not buy for a second that Keith was citing studies in that non sequitur.

This stuff is true the world over too btw. People are currently trying to blame UK and Irish drill for violence here. Terrible social housing planning in decades gone by condemned entire generations to poverty and a cycle of violence. People have always tried to look for easy options and external stimulants as a means to justify dehumanising people. Rejecting that is not objectionable regardless of where you're from.

The primary consumer of rap in 2020 is probably suburban white kids if anything. Nobody is saying these kids are flipping bricks because they're bumping Migos while playing fortnite.

My dude. There are studies on this. And you're one of these suburban white kids, lmfao.

You're not understanding how it affects people in the hood. It's because your ass is from Ireland. Basically as Jeff has be telling people, white people should stop speaking on shit they have zero experience with. Also I clarified that it's not that bad anymore.

Malfunction posted...

I don't really have a problem with acknowledging this either BTW. I just don't think Keith was coming at the point from a position of good faith and I certainly don't think rappers talking shit is the sole cause of anti-social behaviour either.

Ok, enough shit about Keith.

Again, there are studies on this and you have refused to answer the question of if you have you ever met anybody from the hood. If you haven't, how can you possibly speak anything on that subject. Listening to rap while sitting in Ireland makes you not an expert.

It's funny you call it anti-social behavior, which stems from gangs, which is more about survival than anything.

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They really just need to ban him. He loves to race bait as his main form of trolling.

InfinityMonster posted...

No problem. Where are you from btw?

Somalia currently living in turkey trying to start over again after i was deported from saudi arabia and no i didn't break the law i was deported for something my freaking company did ''sigh'' spent a freaking 9 month fighting it in court while i was in detention jail only to lose

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InfinityMonster posted...

And you're one of these suburban white kids, lmfao.

I know.

Look dude again this just seems very needlessly aggro given we are nominally on the same side here. I'm not trying to speak on the lived experiences of those in the hood in America at all. I am simply saying that factors like poverty and a lack of investment etc etc as causative things shouldn't be ignored in favour of blaming some form of cultural external stimulus over them. This is not an original hypothesis, it is something that studies have shown the world over. I don't think this is controversial. It's also unfair to suddenly say that we forget what Keith said because he initially disregarded a study as to the effects of poverty and instead pondered whether hip hop was actually to blame.

Malfunction posted...

I know.

Look dude again this just seems very needlessly aggro given we are nominally on the same side here. I'm not trying to speak on the lived experiences of those in the hood in America at all. I am simply saying that factors like poverty and a lack of investment etc etc as causative things shouldn't be ignored in favour of blaming some form of cultural external stimulus over them. This is not an original hypothesis, it is something that studies have shown the world over. I don't think this is controversial. It's also unfair to suddenly say that we forget what Keith said because he initially disregarded a study as to the effects of poverty and instead pondered whether hip hop was actually to blame.

That's the thing. Neither me nor Keith said it's the root cause. That was the point of my OP. He was saying "what about this factor".

No one is saying poverty and other issues don't affect anything. I know that first hand. But I truly believe some dude who has never once interacted with a person from the hood and lives thousands of miles away from the US can't really ever understand my point. So you constantly going "I don't believe this" when you have a guy from the hood telling along with studies, it's very pompous of you to keep denying it.

The fact that you said that said white people probably listen to more rap nowadays and they're not getting violent is the ultimate example of how you have absolutely no idea how people in the hood respond to things and should just stop speaking on it going further.
gikos posted...

Somalia currently living in turkey trying to start over again after i was deported from saudi arabia and no i didn't break the law i was deported for something my freaking company did ''sigh'' spent a freaking 9 month fighting it in court while i was in detention jail only to lose

Damn man. Hope everything works out for you. Are you also Muslim? Eid Mubarak in case.

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Fair enough, not trying to speak out of place. The initial rejection of poverty links as being 'liberal and biased' combined with the follow up annoyed me. Apologies if it came off as conceited.

InfinityMonster posted...

Damn man. Hope everything works out for you. Are you also Muslim? Eid Mubarak in case.

yes and thanks
tho it's hard to learn a new language i am making progress and having fun learning a new one and hope to fluently speak turkshi soon to better interact with the locals people here are nice but boy i wasn't ready for winter weather since i mostly lived in tropical area now i miss the hot summer >_>

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I recognize him as a bigot and a racist, so i'm not surprised.

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He tends to be overly aggressive, but I have seen rare instances when he does post something of quality.

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Dude went pretty hard on someone dealing with a drinking problem for refusing AA, really shilling hard for the program and talking about how it's the best way to get sober and it saved his life. Then the next day he was talking about having a beer.

Now, I understand the problems with addiction and relapse, and my judgment isn't of whatever problems he may or may be having in that realm. It's the fact that he went in on a complete stranger also dealing with that problem, with nothing but arrogance and condescension while also contradicting everything that was the basis for his point of view.

It was a real spectacle, and it was hard to tell if he was being genuine or just trolling, but neither was a good look.

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Pseudomenon posted...

Dude went pretty hard on someone dealing with a drinking problem for refusing AA, really shilling hard for the program and talking about how it's the best way to get sober and it saved his life. Then the next day he was talking about having a beer.

jfc what a wreck