Current Events > Would you kill your wife to keep a moderate quality of life item for all others?

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Everyone knows the "would you kill your most-loved person in the world to save the entire universe?" question. It's meant to be an example of the greater good and many people, especially on CE given what I know of us, would say that they would do so (whether it's true that they would or not). Questions like "end of poverty" or "attain world peace" are similar.

But I got thinking on the sliding scale of quality of life, so suppose there were less stakes? Something is going to vanish from the universe forever and irreparably. Everyone will remember it; it can never come back, but whatever influence it had prior will still exist in people's minds, as well as in movies, books, etc.

Where do you draw the line? Obviously, the "what" you would kill for will vary from person to person. We talked it over this morning and both my spouse and I agreed that we would kill the other to save all the garlic in the universe.

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Would you kill your wife

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CE has fewer moral relativists than it used to. Don't I feel like the ghoul? Dang.

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I ain't killing nobody I care about for fucking rainbows.

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Nope, like in Fable 2 fuck that the needs of the many shit, I will always put my loved ones before the world and choose the needs of the few.

This whole sacrifice your loved ones thing is for the weak people who dont actually love the people they are so willing to sacrifice.

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That is kind of scary your bar is so low.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

This whole sacrifice your loved ones thing is for the weak people who dont actually love the people they are so willing to sacrifice.

Whoa, man, I straight up disagree. There is such a thing as the greater good though this preposterous scenario would never happen. In talking about hypotheticals, maybe I get a little too loose with the quality of life stuff, but it's absolutely wrong to think that people who would kill their loved ones to save others are just giddy sociopaths eager to murder. All the people who would die have loved ones, too.

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Fuck the people.

They don't deserve such a sacrifice.

*even for world peace.

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Even for eternal peace, no way I could live with that guilt.

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Funkydog posted...

no way I could live with that guilt.

You would not feel guilt over purposefully denying the world (universe, in this cartoonish hypothetical) eternal peace? That is whaaaaack. I would disrespect my loved one so much if I knew they threw away something like that.

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I feel that if you can sacrifice your loved one for world peace then a part of you did not value them as much as you claim to.

Think of how the other person might feel knowing you will let them die for world peace. I know I would hate that person and likely kill them before or as they would try to sacrifice me.

Now if you ask the person would you want to die for world peace that is different as they are given the choice/option vs you just sacrificing them without their consent or decision.

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VanananaHeyHey posted...

You would not feel guilt over purposefully denying the world (universe, in this cartoonish hypothetical) eternal peace? That is whaaaaack. I would disrespect my loved one so much if I knew they threw away something like that.

My loved one is someone I'd interact with all the time and would constantly miss. I'd constantly think about things we could have done together, children we could have raised.

The world carrying on as it is changes little, ultimately. Now, if was giving my own life? That's different entirely.

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No. I'd sacrifice myself before I kill off a loved one for the "greater good".

Also what the fuck? "Yes, for one specific whose loss will decrease quality of life drastically but not fatally if gone (e.g. rainbows, garlic, dogs, etc.)"

You're a goddamn psychopath if you kill off a person, especially a loved one, to keep something around like rainbows or garlic. Like how can anyone pick this option and think to themselves "yeah I'm a good person because I kept rainbows a thing". You're not morally good in any sense, you're fucked up.

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Nope

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Think of how the other person might feel knowing you will let them die for world peace. I know I would hate that person and likely kill them before or as they would try to sacrifice me.

My spouse and I discussed the selfishness of "I love you too much to save the world" over a decade ago when we were dating and both agreed we have no compunctions whatsoever about dying for the greater good, even by the other's hand. Anyone who has a "loved one" relationship should have an understanding of how that person would react and they would also know that the world would end whether Loved One were mad at them or not. And if my loved one valued their own life above world peace (why the scare quotes?), I would likewise lose respect for them and our relationship would not be what I thought it had been. If the Genie in this situation gave me the option to kill myself at the last second instead of my loved one, I would take that option over killing my spouse.

Funkydog posted...

I'd constantly think about things we could have done together, children we could have raised.

Right, that's the starting point and why it's a quandary; it's a major, sad, staggering sacrifice on their part and act of compassion-for-world/violence-against-love for the 'Hero.' The person doing the killing would also be sad. But the knowledge that others are now able to live pleasant lives and raise their children where there would have been war and famine before? That would be a sad but profound comfort of the same type, but greater, as knowing the organs of my loved one beat on in the bodies of others they saved.

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Mareen posted...

No. I'd sacrifice myself before I kill off a loved one for the "greater good".

Lots of people would. That was not an option the genie gave you. We aren't asking for additional acts of nobility, just what's on the poll.

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VanananaHeyHey posted...

Right, that's the starting point and why it's a quandary; it's a major, sad, staggering sacrifice on their part and act of compassion-for-world/violence-against-love for the 'Hero.' The person doing the killing would also be sad. But the knowledge that others are now able to live pleasant lives and raise their children where there would have been war and famine before? That would be a sad but profound comfort of the same type, but greater, as knowing the organs of my loved one beat on in the bodies of others they saved.

And yet you killed someone who had no choice in this, murdered someone. No way I could carry that on my conscience, no matter the gain.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Nope, like in Fable 2 fuck that the needs of the many shit, I will always put my loved ones before the world and choose the needs of the few.

This whole sacrifice your loved ones thing is for the weak people who dont actually love the people they are so willing to sacrifice.

lmao wait it would be the strong thing to do to not trade one person for, say, the end of world hunger?

Funkydog posted...

And yet you killed someone who had no choice in this, murdered someone.

Straight up trolley problem, bro.

VVALLBOUNCE posted...

it would be the strong thing to do to not trade one person for, say, the end of world hunger

Yeah, lots of selfish people here thinking they're being heroic.

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VanananaHeyHey posted...

Straight up trolley problem, bro.

A bit different, as you personally know one of the people. Trolley problem doesn't usually throw that in, and just makes you be an active participant in someone's death or not.

Are you telling me you could actually not carry an immeasurable amount of guilt for killing someone you loved?

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Funkydog posted...

Are you telling me you could actually not carry an immeasurable amount of guilt for killing someone you loved?

I am not saying that and I have reiterated throughout the topic the sorrow that would accompany their sacrifice/my action. That's what makes this a thinking-on-thing and not just "Would you live in a mansion with servants for a month for $1,000,000,000,000 and a pony?" question.

I would be sorrowful. I would probably have nightmares and flashbacks often. True guilt, I would probably only have if it were a violent or painful death --- I would obviously much rather push someone into a whirling space hole or use a ray gun that would evaporate them than be forced to strangle, stab or bludgeon them. And, again, I would know that their death led to the world peace/end of poverty/whatever. I would feel far more guilty if I killed them some other way without a world-stakes reason; an accident where I was careless, or bringing COVID home. But for something like the world? Sorrow, forever. Guilt, maybe. Shame, no.

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hmm guilt of sacrificing a loved one (emphasis on one) or saving thousands of lives.

yeah there should be an obvious choice as to what is "better"

Not everyone feels sacrifice a loved one for the end of world hunger is worth it, hell even Superman reverses time in Superman the movie because he refused to sacrifice Lois Lane.

You can call it selfish all you want but the greater good is not something everyone cares about nor would they give a fuck should they have to sacrifice someone they love to achieve some world peace.

Some would even turn evil in this situation if they could not live with the fact they just sacrificed someone that was their world.

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moderate quality of life item

Like the microwave.

No, I would not kill my SO in order to let everyone else in the world have a microwave.
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Funkydog posted...

Even for eternal peace, no way I could live with that guilt.

Guilt is just an illusion, as long as as you believe there's good inside you. You will forever be bound by it!

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AssGender posted...

Guilt is just an illusion, as long as as you believe there's good inside you. You will forever be bound by it!

This is a load of bullshit, it sounds like the garbage someone without an understanding of the real world would say.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

This is a load of bullshit, it sounds like the garbage someone without an understanding of the real world would say.

Is that so?

Fine, drown in sadness and guilt all u want!

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@AssGender
I would not have to since I would not sacrifice my loved one.

To think a person would not feel guilt or sadness in sacrificing someone they actually cared about only proves my point that some might not care for the sacrificed person as much as they claimed.

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no, and quite the opposite. I would doom and curse the rest of the world to whatever may befall them to ensure that my wife is safe.

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Ya, for the right item/idea. I don't know what that would be though. And it'd probably have to be something I know they'd be fine dying for
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I killed my wife so you could keep garlic

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@AssGender
I would not have to since I would not sacrifice my loved one.

To think a person would not feel guilt or sadness in sacrificing someone they actually cared about only proves my point that some might not care for the sacrificed person as much as they claimed.

Your memories about them will always endured in your hearts! There's nothing more noble than sacrificing someone for the sake of ur love!

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@AssGender

Those are some olympic level mental gymnastics your doing to reach that logic.

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I would eradicate an entire continent just to keep my favorite television show from being canceled

Don't @ me

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@AssGender

Those are some olympic level mental gymnastics your doing to reach that logic.

For me preserving the very essence of that memory is much more important. If u want to keep that bone and meat in tact that is ur choice. I will not object if that how u feel about them!

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Are we gonna have problem Riku? I'm hoping to keep this conversation as civil as possible!

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If the person was asked or given the choice to choose if they were ok with the sacrifice that is the only way it would be acceptable. Should they volunteer to sacrifice then no harm no foul but if they refuse then they should NOT be sacrificed.

No one should be sacrificed without their consent unless they are an evil piece of shit.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

If the person was asked or given the choice to choose if they were ok with the sacrifice that is the only way it would be acceptable. Should they volunteer to sacrifice then no harm no foul but if they refuse then they should NOT be sacrificed.

No one should be sacrificed without their consent unless they are an evil piece of shit.

Evil can never be conditional.
Evil is evil for a reason.
But i was never bound by the law of men.
Evil for me might not be evil for you vice versa!

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my wife (borat voice)

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Romulox28 posted...

my wife (borat voice)

@Romulox28

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No one with intelligence is going to shed a tear if an actual rapist or actual child molester is sacrificed against their will or killed.

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Playing Devil Survivor 2, there's an option to sacrifice yourselves for the continued existence of all humanity.

But if you actually chose that, it is considered as premature bad ending.

So yea, if there's anything I learn from vidya game, sacrificing yourself or your loved one to save the world is often considered a dumbass choice.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

No one with intelligence is going to shed a tear if an actual rapist or actual child molester is sacrificed against their will or killed.

Depends on context, someone will undoubtly shed a tear. This is pretty bold statement from someone who just said I never understand how this "real world" works. Those people are human too and often misunderstood. It is not our place to judge them so harshly after what they've done!

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No point saving the world when what you love is gone or your dead is the message most games like that rightly send.

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@AssGender
Fuck that bullshit, those people lose any sympathy when they harm someone else that way, choices have consequences and if you rape someone or molest a child you get the hard goodbye.


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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

No point saving the world when what you love is gone or your dead is the message most games like that rightly send.

Life is more than that, unlike any stereotypical man I will not drown my sorrow just because my loved one gone forever. She wouldnt want me to feel sad and miserable and even try to leave me with a message that i should move on with another girl to fill the emptyness inside my hard+

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@AssGender
That just proves you did not care about the loved one you sacrificed all that much, or that your really damaged mentally to just bounce back so easy after sacrificing a loved one.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@AssGender
Fuck that bullshit, those people lose any sympathy when they harm someone else that way, choices have consequences and if you rape someone or molest a child you get the hard goodbye.

I was talking about human perspectives, not just my own. It seems to me that u make so personal when i brings this thing up. My feelings is irrelevant. In time, people will start to feel something deep inside wether it was sadness or regret!

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No

For he so loathed the world that he refused to sacrifice his only begotten wife...

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@AssGender
That just proves you did not care about the loved one you sacrificed all that much, or that your really damaged mentally to just bounce back so easy after sacrificing a loved one.

Save ur accusations for someone who truly deserve. This is where I bid u farewell. Stay safe!

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