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Billy__Beane
05/25/20 11:59:42 PM
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Last 2 weeks were very slow but just this week we've had an increase in the number of icu admissions for covid
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soulunison2
05/26/20 12:00:22 AM
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what state are you in?
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Secretly
05/26/20 12:01:50 AM
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And idiot Trump wants us to completely reopen the country...
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monkmith
05/26/20 12:02:03 AM
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Houston
05/26/20 12:02:43 AM
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Good thing we have a bunch of ventilators and make shift hospitals that were never used, should any spike arise.

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AlephZero
05/26/20 12:03:28 AM
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The only sane option at this point is to stay inside until a vaccine. Going outside is risking a 50/50 coin flip on death.

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Iodine
05/26/20 4:28:45 PM
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AlephZero posted...
The only sane option at this point is to stay inside until a vaccine. Going outside is risking a 50/50 coin flip on death.
Ehhhhhhhh. We likely won't see a vaccine until Summer 2021. Staying inside for that long isn't realistic.

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Awesome
05/26/20 4:29:02 PM
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What state
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Corrupt_Power
05/26/20 4:29:32 PM
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monkmith posted...
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ZeroX91
05/26/20 4:31:17 PM
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42,900 in my state at last count...

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kingdrake2
05/26/20 4:33:36 PM
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AlephZero posted...
Going outside is risking a 50/50 coin flip on death.


i'm waiting myself to see the cases pop up in this county when hotels are opened at full capacity again (store's are at varying capacity right now). 25% restaurant/retail/fast food. 50% supermarket.
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krazychao5
05/26/20 4:45:34 PM
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AlephZero posted...
The only sane option at this point is to stay inside until a vaccine. Going outside is risking a 50/50 coin flip on death.
It's more like one in a million, but sure.

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The23rdMagus
05/26/20 4:49:35 PM
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krazychao5 posted...
It's more like one in a million, but sure.
Mind sourcing your information?

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abaddon41_80
05/26/20 4:59:22 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
Mind sourcing your information?

The CDC has updated their mortality rate estimate to 0.3%, and that is for all age groups and still likely an overestimation. They calculated it using six times the number of confirmed cases as the denominator but most experts think the real amount of cases if 10+ times higher than the confirmed cases.

If you are under 65 and without any pre-existing medical conditions, the CFR is essentially 0%.

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HiddenRoar
05/26/20 4:59:32 PM
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AlephZero posted...
The only sane option at this point is to stay inside until a vaccine. Going outside is risking a 50/50 coin flip on death.

You were saying, shockthemonkey and thronedfire2?
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The23rdMagus
05/26/20 5:01:15 PM
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abaddon41_80 posted...
The CDC has updated their mortality rate estimate to 0.3%, and that is for all age groups and still likely an overestimation. They calculated it using six times the number of confirmed cases as the denominator but most experts think the real amount of cases if 10+ times higher than the confirmed cases.

If you are under 65 and without any pre-existing medical conditions, the CFR is essentially 0%.
Cool. That doesn't make me feel any better, considering I'm asthmatic, my dad's a heart attack survivor in his late 60s and my brother is overweight.

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krazychao5
05/26/20 5:01:35 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
Mind sourcing your information?
Where is your information that it is 50% chance of death if you go out?

I've been out plenty of times and I'm still healthy as an ox.

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The23rdMagus
05/26/20 5:02:19 PM
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krazychao5 posted...
Where is your information that it is 50% chance of death if you go out?

I've been out plenty of times and I'm still healthy as an ox.
1) I didn't make that claim.
2) Anecdotes aren't really worth much.

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cmiller4642
05/26/20 5:03:26 PM
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I wonder how DuncanWii is going to react when he's not allowed to go to Subway in October
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krazychao5
05/26/20 5:04:05 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
1) I didn't make that claim.
2) Anecdotes aren't really worth much.
Oh well, point still stands. 99.7% people are going to be fine.

Doesn't matter if i quoted a different person than who made the claim. You sounded like him. I don't look at usernames just the content of the post.

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ZTT888returning
05/26/20 5:04:40 PM
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Dat second wave. Hope you all enjoyed your weekend running amok because back to stay at home orders!
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DevsBro
05/26/20 5:05:00 PM
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Houston posted...
Good thing we have a bunch of ventilators and make shift hospitals that were never used, should any spike arise.
Can you send them to Alabama please

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krazychao5
05/26/20 5:05:11 PM
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ZTT888returning posted...
Dat second wave. Hope you all enjoyed your weekend running amok because back to stay at home orders!
They never ended in Michigan.

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DevsBro
05/26/20 5:06:50 PM
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abaddon41_80 posted...
If you are under 65 and without any pre-existing medical conditions, the CFR is essentially 0%.
But this is America. We're all obese.

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Phantom36
05/26/20 5:08:00 PM
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AlephZero posted...
The only sane option at this point is to stay inside until a vaccine. Going outside is risking a 50/50 coin flip on death.

Well not really considering the mortality rate once the disease is contracted is certainly not 50%.

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abaddon41_80
05/26/20 5:08:29 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
Cool. That doesn't make me feel any better, considering I'm asthmatic, my dad's a heart attack survivor in his late 60s and my brother is overweight.

I respect that opinion. If you are part of an at-risk group, you should take steps to avoid close contact with other people. You still shouldn't consider this a death sentence if you somehow do become infected. Even among people under 70 with pre-existing conditions, the mortality rate is under 10%. High enough that you should absolutely try to avoid it but still much better odds that you will live if you become infected.

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EricDraven59
05/26/20 5:10:10 PM
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The23rdMagus
05/26/20 5:12:17 PM
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abaddon41_80 posted...
I respect that opinion. If you are part of an at-risk group, you should take steps to avoid close contact with other people. You still shouldn't consider this a death sentence if you somehow do become infected. Even among people under 70 with pre-existing conditions, the mortality rate is under 10%. High enough that you should absolutely try to avoid it but still much better odds that you will live if you become infected.
"Survivors" are still dealing with lasting damage. One of my friends still has blood clots in his lungs.

As far as that "levels of isolation" infographic going around is concerned, I'm at Level 1 - only leaving for essentials, and as little as possible. No gatherings, no visits, no lingering.

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realnifty1
05/26/20 5:14:20 PM
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abaddon41_80 posted...
The CDC has updated their mortality rate estimate to 0.3%, and that is for all age groups and still likely an overestimation. They calculated it using six times the number of confirmed cases as the denominator but most experts think the real amount of cases if 10+ times higher than the confirmed cases.

If you are under 65 and without any pre-existing medical conditions, the CFR is essentially 0%.

0.3% of the US Population is 984,000 people, let's hope we can do better than that maybe?
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Guerrilla Soldier
05/26/20 5:18:17 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
"Survivors" are still dealing with lasting damage.
the sad part is that people don't realize this. they think we just get sick and then recover from it with no potential lasting effects.

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kingdrake2
05/26/20 5:57:45 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
still has blood clots in his lungs.


gawd damnit :(.
don't want that.
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The23rdMagus
05/26/20 6:00:57 PM
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kingdrake2 posted...
gawd damnit :(.
don't want that.
Neither does he.

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EvalAngell
05/26/20 6:03:51 PM
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realnifty1 posted...
0.3% of the US Population is 984,000 people, let's hope we can do better than that maybe?

the whole country isn't getting infected, guy.

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The23rdMagus
05/26/20 6:04:38 PM
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EvalAngell posted...
the whole country isn't getting infected, guy.
Probably will be - or close enough - at this rate.

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Ooooooranges
05/26/20 6:05:28 PM
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abaddon41_80 posted...
The CDC has updated their mortality rate estimate to 0.3%, and that is for all age groups and still likely an overestimation. They calculated it using six times the number of confirmed cases as the denominator but most experts think the real amount of cases if 10+ times higher than the confirmed cases.

If you are under 65 and without any pre-existing medical conditions, the CFR is essentially 0%.

Actually most experts believe that is an underestimation.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-05-14/antibody-study-shows-just-5-of-spaniards-have-contracted-the-coronavirus.html

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Ooooooranges
05/26/20 6:06:59 PM
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abaddon41_80 posted...
I respect that opinion. If you are part of an at-risk group, you should take steps to avoid close contact with other people. You still shouldn't consider this a death sentence if you somehow do become infected. Even among people under 70 with pre-existing conditions, the mortality rate is under 10%. High enough that you should absolutely try to avoid it but still much better odds that you will live if you become infected.

A lot of at-risk people will not be able to do such things if, for example, their jobs require them to come back and they're at risk of being fired if they don't.

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voldothegr8
05/26/20 6:07:38 PM
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soulunison2 posted...
what state are you in?

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bigtiggie23
05/26/20 6:09:49 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...

Probably will be - or close enough - at this rate.

Even if you doubled the current average infection rate it would take around 30 to 40 years to get to everyone. Probably longer because it would slow bigtime once everyone in the big cities had it.
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EvalAngell
05/26/20 6:09:58 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
Probably will be - or close enough - at this rate.

.5% of the US population has currently had the virus. Settle down Chicken Little.

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The23rdMagus
05/26/20 6:13:52 PM
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Meh. I'd rather overreact than under. This is already impacting people I know, and people close to me are ignoring any and all safety precautions.

Shit, if I thought I had an anxiety diagnosis before this pandemic...

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EvalAngell
05/26/20 6:16:07 PM
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I get it, it's all good.

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realnifty1
05/26/20 6:37:29 PM
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EvalAngell posted...
the whole country isn't getting infected, guy.

Due to a massive restriction on movement and gathering. While we wouldn't hit 100% infected, it will likely get into the 60-80%. But the 0.3% is just a bunch of guessing and hoping that our testing is poorer than we think. Current closed case death rate is 13% worldwide(17% in the US).

But the real point is to put a real number on the abstract. It is too easy for someone to say 'oh it's just 0.3%, that's like one in a million', but when you convert that to real numbers you realize that 0.3% is 1 in 300.
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abaddon41_80
05/26/20 7:00:05 PM
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Ooooooranges posted...
Actually most experts believe that is an underestimation.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-05-14/antibody-study-shows-just-5-of-spaniards-have-contracted-the-coronavirus.html

This article states that 90% of infections have gone undetected, meaning only one in every ten infections is used to calculate the denominator in the CFR. I have seen some experts argue that we have only caught one in every 20 infections, or one in every 50.

realnifty1 posted...
Due to a massive restriction on movement and gathering. While we wouldn't hit 100% infected, it will likely get into the 60-80%. But the 0.3% is just a bunch of guessing and hoping that our testing is poorer than we think. Current closed case death rate is 13% worldwide(17% in the US).

But the real point is to put a real number on the abstract. It is too easy for someone to say 'oh it's just 0.3%, that's like one in a million', but when you convert that to real numbers you realize that 0.3% is 1 in 300.

The 0.3% is the CDC's estimation, and it is still likely on the high side based on current antibody studies and the fact that anywhere from 30-50% of people who are infected do not show any symptoms.

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voldothegr8
05/26/20 7:03:38 PM
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I love how TC dropped this topic and then disappeared, not answering any questions
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Venger2112
05/26/20 7:04:51 PM
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Secretly posted...
And idiot Trump wants us to completely reopen the country...
lol its not just Trump. All you hear here in Canada is the same shit too. Good lord some fuckwits in Toronto went on a shitting & pissing fest on people's driveways just this weekend. Thousands of them.

I thought I was wrong and it may actually pass but looks like second wave is incoming

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