Board 8 > Jojo Mafia Topic 2: Battle Tendency

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htaeD
05/21/20 4:59:07 PM
#51:


Nah. Just this page.
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Fastbreak
05/21/20 5:10:27 PM
#52:


I think i need to talk to puns to figure something out

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:14:55 PM
#53:


Sceptilesolar posted...
So Abacus is cop, Scare and Ben are masons but not really, and it's a Merry Changmas. Got it. Well, let's see what we can do from here.

omg

I would dayvig Scept for this post alone.

Anyway, I have also been called Hanny at times before, but Chang's willingness to chang his name has earned him enough points to surpass Abacus as my new favorite new player.

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ViolentAbacus
05/21/20 5:19:18 PM
#54:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
omg

I would dayvig Scept for this post alone.

Anyway, I have also been called Hanny at times before, but Chang's willingness to chang his name has earned him enough points to surpass Abacus as my new favorite new player.

It was nice while it lasted, I guess! Though still was curious why.

I can't deny, that is dedication to change your username. I honestly had no idea of that the feature existed.

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changmas
05/21/20 5:20:47 PM
#55:


alright, its a new era for me. Merry changmas, everybody!

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:21:13 PM
#56:


Anyway, I've decided that we are lynching Sceptile today, so we can go ahead and do that and hit N1 24 hours before deadline so we don't have to wait an extra day for D2.

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htaeD
05/21/20 5:22:20 PM
#57:


Man the Hanukkah jokes write themselves
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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:22:45 PM
#58:


Hey Death, put your vote on Sceptile.

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htaeD
05/21/20 5:23:47 PM
#59:


Okay Han, I am to assume you have no immediate issue with Corrik. But whats your take on the Plum situation?
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fire_bolt
05/21/20 5:23:54 PM
#60:


Caught up. I see nothing important has happened in a few hours and anything I might need to say has been said by a more experienced player going back to irl stuff
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htaeD
05/21/20 5:24:26 PM
#61:


Not while I feel a plumcontradiction is standing right before me.
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fire_bolt
05/21/20 5:24:55 PM
#62:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Anyway, I've decided that we are lynching Sceptile today, so we can go ahead and do that and hit N1 24 hours before deadline so we don't have to wait an extra day for D2.


Eep, and while I was typing that Han outted himself as scum. Nice
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htaeD
05/21/20 5:24:56 PM
#63:


But I am now explicably tempted to switch to Firebolt.
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htaeD
05/21/20 5:25:54 PM
#64:


Oh good firebolt is not leaving.

Now you can reread everything properly, because things have happened.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:29:30 PM
#65:


My eyes have not lifted from plum but he's probably Town because you dodging this whole Sceptile thing is condemning you as Scum tbh

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Fastbreak
05/21/20 5:30:59 PM
#67:


Han remind me of your irl werewolf style games history. I don't think you have much do you?

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:32:00 PM
#68:


Scare that is such a stupid question to ask.

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Corrik7
05/21/20 5:32:08 PM
#69:


Leanansidhe posted...
This. 24 hour days are extremely fetch right now.
Let's make fetch happen!

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htaeD
05/21/20 5:34:27 PM
#70:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
My eyes have not lifted from plum but he's probably Town because you dodging this whole Sceptile thing is condemning you as Scum tbh


Tbh thats a weak reason to throw out a condemnation. A rather black-and-white one too. You have your target I have mine.
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TheSultanOfSlam
05/21/20 5:34:59 PM
#71:


okay so i was kind of hoping our cop wouldnt out himself but yeah i figured that was probably the case when he asked that question hence why i kept it vauge as an answer. Hoping it would just look like a set up question but obviously not the case.

Also id be cool with the corrik lynch now basically for reasons already brought up.

The trains both have their appeal but im definitely behind now and will need to read a little closer before making any kind of decision.

Definitely dont like the sceptile comment han pointed out. Ill be back in a bit with more thorough thoughts though!

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Fastbreak
05/21/20 5:35:38 PM
#72:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Scare that is such a stupid question to ask.

No I've been working something out

I've been going back and forth on chang outing abacus and I have ended up on thinking he is scum, but I wanted to ask the werewolf style players if outing the cop is something town just... does?

We have ToS people here too don't we? I'm trying to understand the meta before I commit to this, because if I commit to this I'm probably going to be very stubborn about it

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fire_bolt
05/21/20 5:37:06 PM
#73:


htaeD posted...
Now you can reread everything properly, because things have happened.


I wasn't clear enough probably. I've been reading along between matches and nothing has happened in the last 2ish hours since I looked this over. You guys filled like 3 pages with basically nothing except "Well I think Scept looks bad

Yeah, but what about Plum"

Plus Corrik acting like an actual child instead of a figurative one for a change
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htaeD
05/21/20 5:38:14 PM
#74:


No thoughts about the cop stuff tho?

Not a fan of you downplaing the two trains going on at the moment.
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IfGodCouldDie
05/21/20 5:38:32 PM
#75:


Fastbreak posted...
No I've been working something out

I've been going back and forth on chang outing abacus and I have ended up on thinking he is scum, but I wanted to ask the werewolf style players if outing the cop is something town just... does?

We have ToS people here too don't we? I'm trying to understand the meta before I commit to this, because if I commit to this I'm probably going to be very stubborn about it
In my experience with ToS nobody cares about anything and votes are just random all the time

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:41:34 PM
#76:


I don't see how a player inexperienced in this community revealing that they read somebody as a Cop is inherently Scummy.

Also, townlean on Sultan is weakening as well.

htaeD posted...
Tbh thats a weak reason to throw out a condemnation. A rather black-and-white one too. You have your target I have mine.

Not at all. I, as Town, have found out Scum. Scummates of that person would want to not give that train more attention than necessary and try to push in different directions.

It is quite a strong reason to throw out a condemnation. But here is what I'll say: Plum is very clearly Town.

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fire_bolt
05/21/20 5:42:22 PM
#77:


Fastbreak posted...
We have ToS people here too don't we? I'm trying to understand the meta before I commit to this, because if I commit to this I'm probably going to be very stubborn about it


ToS tends to have more investigative roles than is meta here. I think it defaults to AT LEAST 2 and can have as many as 4 (out of an 10/11 person town) PLUS possible Reviver AND Amensiac shenanigans. ToS invests tend to out themselves Day 1 (ToS immediately goes into Night 1 when the game starts, rather than having an up front discussion/lynch day) if they have any information whatsoever. As such, I'd call Abacus counter claiming Corrik absolutely possible if he thought Corrik was real claiming. Trading Town Power for scum is a winning strat in ToS
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DamionDL
05/21/20 5:42:38 PM
#78:


ToS is also very Follow the Cop heavy but only if the cop actually writes his scans in his journal.

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fire_bolt
05/21/20 5:46:15 PM
#79:


htaeD posted...
No thoughts about the cop stuff tho?

Not a fan of you downplaing the two trains going on at the moment.


Was this directed at me? Like I said, everything that needs to be said on the subject had already been said. Scare asking about ToS is all the insight I can really provide.

As to the current wagons what is there to say really? Han is doing the thing I expect Han to do but I don't really scum or town read Scept right now. Plum looks kinda sketch but I can't really put my finger on why. I might back read after dinner and see if I can coherently present why.

Regardless I don't expect either train to actually go anywhere. We're lynching Big Changas today. I'll wait for the rest of you to realize that before I really care about a train (unless something happens to change that ofc)
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htaeD
05/21/20 5:47:09 PM
#80:


Not at all. I, as Town, have found out Scum. Scummates of that person would want to not give that train more attention than necessary and try to push in different directions.

It is quite a strong reason to throw out a condemnation. But here is what I'll say: Plum is very clearly Town.


You realize I could say the same about you. But I at least am considering the possibility that not everyone ignoring Plum for someone else is scum.
That and I am not trying to get in your way or anything either. This feels a little too narrowminded from you.

But Ill ask. Why is Plum town?
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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:48:51 PM
#81:


bolt, for being a guy who comes in here and insults the community, you sure are doing a piss-poor job of convincing anybody to listen to you.


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htaeD
05/21/20 5:49:19 PM
#82:


Yeah that was direct at you, bolt. Sorry, I dont quote as often as I should.

That said, I really feel you should voice your own opinions more often. Otherwise you are hard to read and that doesnt help you if you are town.

Why changmas tho?
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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:50:28 PM
#83:


htaeD posted...
You realize I could say the same about you. But I at least am considering the possibility that not everyone ignoring Plum for someone else is scum.
That and I am not trying to get in your way or anything either. This feels a little too narrowminded from you.

But Ill ask. Why is Plum town?

He's way too grumpy and wrong to not be Town.


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htaeD
05/21/20 5:51:40 PM
#84:


Wrong?
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Fastbreak
05/21/20 5:53:01 PM
#85:


fire_bolt posted...
ToS tends to have more investigative roles than is meta here. I think it defaults to AT LEAST 2 and can have as many as 4 (out of an 10/11 person town) PLUS possible Reviver AND Amensiac shenanigans. ToS invests tend to out themselves Day 1 (ToS immediately goes into Night 1 when the game starts, rather than having an up front discussion/lynch day) if they have any information whatsoever. As such, I'd call Abacus counter claiming Corrik absolutely possible if he thought Corrik was real claiming. Trading Town Power for scum is a winning strat in ToS

I'm just trying to weigh chang outing him. If it is something towm would commonly do

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:54:20 PM
#86:


htaeD posted...
Wrong?

Yeah. Like, you going after him is pretty wrong. Plum is being grumpy and looking in directions that are pointless to look in. I think he's more cautious and calculating if he's Scum in this position.

I also think you're more considerate of other trains if Town.

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Fastbreak
05/21/20 5:54:49 PM
#87:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I don't see how a player inexperienced in this community revealing that they read somebody as a Cop is inherently Scummy.

Also, townlean on Sultan is weakening as well.

Not at all. I, as Town, have found out Scum. Scummates of that person would want to not give that train more attention than necessary and try to push in different directions.

It is quite a strong reason to throw out a condemnation. But here is what I'll say: Plum is very clearly Town.

Because so far everything I have seen from chang I have *liked* Han and I am giving him respect points here. So with that in mind I'm thinking that "oops putted the cop" is a bit beneath him if its not common practice for his usual games. So I'm trying to get a feel for that which is why I was hoping puns was around who I am pretty sure plays lots of live mafia style games

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Fastbreak
05/21/20 5:56:53 PM
#89:


Lea help

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htaeD
05/21/20 5:58:16 PM
#90:


HanOfTheNekos posted...


He's way too grumpy and wrong to not be Town.



This in no way sounds as if you're calling me 'wrong one' here, but moving on...

If you ask me he still sounds somewhat cautious. Though yes also Grumpy. But those arent really qualifyers I can use.

Also considering I dont throw my vote around much at all. I dont see how I am being less considerate than usual.
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htaeD
05/21/20 5:58:56 PM
#91:


You dont get to destroy a baseless assumption that easily Lea
Explain yourself.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 6:00:47 PM
#92:


If Chang thinks he's Cop and is Scum, why not just tell the Scumchat?

Outing a Cop draws protection to that Cop and away from a perceived Cop claim. If a measured Scum player identified someone hinting Cop, why would they reveal that info to all of Town?

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htaeD
05/21/20 6:00:48 PM
#93:


Its also annoying that I cannot point everyone to the contradiction I am seeing, since I want Plum to answer that first. But it still feels like people are too easy on Plum.
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Fastbreak
05/21/20 6:01:55 PM
#94:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
If Chang thinks he's Cop and is Scum, why not just tell the Scumchat?

Outing a Cop draws protection to that Cop and away from a perceived Cop claim. If a measured Scum player identified someone hinting Cop, why would they reveal that info to all of Town?

Scum watcher?
Chang looks like town?

Its Wifom

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DamionDL
05/21/20 6:02:01 PM
#95:


Sounds like Han knows the scum team doesn't have a strongman.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 6:03:32 PM
#97:


DamionDL posted...
Sounds like Han knows the scum team doesn't have a strongman.

I don't know if they do, but I guess you're claiming Scum by confirming they don't?

(that's what you sound like when you say things like that)

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htaeD
05/21/20 6:03:44 PM
#98:


If it were anyone else, I would have voted them already for blatantly asking a new player to out themselves.
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Fastbreak
05/21/20 6:04:44 PM
#99:


Leanansidhe posted...
Does it really count as outting if it was extremely obvious to anyone with eyes he was cop?

Then by this line of thinking its even more likely he is scum to me. If everyone knows it, "scum wouldn't say it out loud" mentality gets him the credit on the newbie pass

I dont like any of it

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htaeD
05/21/20 6:05:05 PM
#100:


Leanansidhe posted...
Does it really count as outting if it was extremely obvious to anyone with eyes he was cop?


Eh, Scare's little stunt might have fooled people into thinking he was just a nilla....
Except nobody mentioned nilla before then...
Is Nilla a term used in Werewolf/ToS?
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