Board 8 > Jojo Mafia Topic 1: Phantom Blood

(+) Yeah! (+)

oh what lea posted

Gotcha

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Let's not do this thing where people do things and play coy when someone questions their motives. Let's just lynch scum and win the game.

With that out of they way. Place your votes on Plum and win the game.

You know what, you convinced me

##Vote: Plum

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##unvote
##vote: scept

han gut would have been cooler tho

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Fastbreak posted...

Point me to it then I missed it

You really need a reason other than FUN?

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PunishedBen posted...

You really need a reason other than FUN?

No, I would have preferred the gut! I just like to know what Han wants when he is asking me to vote

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corrik is still a good lynch though

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Fastbreak posted...

corrik is still a good lynch though

He's number two after plum

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htaeD posted...

Whoa whoa whoa what is this, Plum?

What was all that about 'dont make this day about bolt' before, when you are now complaining that everyone is unoting him.

Its almost like my opinion changes!

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IGCDs vote on me is terrible but he isnt a good player. Shame on him for leading new guys.

Deaths vote on me though is suspect. There was an odd exodus of players following an odd inflow of players. Its weird of him to think Im scum based on that.

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masterplum posted...

IGCDs vote on me is terrible but he isnt a good player. Shame on him for leading new guys.

Deaths vote on me though is suspect. There was an odd exodus of players following an odd inflow of players. Its weird of him to think Im scum based on that.

Puns and Abacus have also voted you now!

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Sceptilesolar posted...

Puns and Abacus have also voted you now!

I have no opinions on those votes.

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No opinion at all?

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No

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masterplum posted...

I have no opinions on those votes.

Abacus sheeping IGCD is whatever, but what makes Death's vote suspect and Puns's not? They seem virtually the same.

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I didnt read them the same. I read Puns as voting me as a supportive Death vote which isnt really a referendum on me.

its whatever. Could be scum or town at this point.

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masterplum posted...

IGCDs vote on me is terrible but he isnt a good player. Shame on him for leading new guys.

Deaths vote on me though is suspect. There was an odd exodus of players following an odd inflow of players. Its weird of him to think Im scum based on that.

The attempt to discredit me should come across as very suspicious to everyone reading this is straight up caught for the wrong reasons.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

I'm down with three of those!

Is this a good or bad thing?

A confusing thing. But not necessarily bad.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

The attempt to discredit me should come across as very suspicious to everyone reading this is straight up caught for the wrong reasons.

Dude,

you were straight trash last game. I said so at the end of last game.

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masterplum posted...

Dude,

you were straight trash last game. I said so at the end of last game.

I fucking say so every game and every post game. I am not delusional to my ability to play. The fact that you are using it as a defense to the votes on you is very telling and I hope town sees this and realizes you are reacting very scumily to the whole thing.

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You were the one who dug into why I discredited your vote. I thought it was a bad vote but it doesnt impact alignment because I dont think you are a good player so you being wrong doesnt mean anything.

I am being reminded that part of the reason I quit playing mafia for a few years is mafia makes me an asshole.

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masterplum posted...

IGCDs vote on me is terrible but he isnt a good player. Shame on him for leading new guys.

Deaths vote on me though is suspect. There was an odd exodus of players following an odd inflow of players. Its weird of him to think Im scum based on that.

I dont really like you doing 'he is always terrible' defense.
Also he seems to be leading older players as much as new ones...

And what do you mean with odd 'inflow?'

See the problem here is that I expected that you would like people focusing on other players besides firebolt.
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ass hole is censored? Really?

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I agree with Fastbreak/Scare here.

##Vote: Corrik

And here's why:

ViolentAbacus posted...

I do! But it's dependent on a question!

Can there be multiple people with the same roll?

Abacus's conditional answer to whether or not he had thoughts so far would imply that a specific answer to this question would confirm his thoughts. Given that the answer to the question was "yes, there can be multiple people with the same role" and then he said "All right, well then I have no thoughts!", it means that he WOULD have had a lead if roles were unique.

Thus, he would have had to be talking about the only player who had claimed a role at that point (Corrik). And (for one more step) the natural implication of that would be that Abacus is himself a TOWN Cop, which would directly prove Corrik's claim false if roles were unique. There could, of course, be more than one Cop, but I think that invites enough suspicion for me to vote up Corrik.

Please correct me if parts of this deduction are wrong, Abacus. Or provide what your thought process was when you posted that.

htaeD posted...

I dont really like you doing 'he is always terrible' defense.
Also he seems to be leading older players as much as new ones...

And what do you mean with odd 'inflow?'

See the problem here is that I expected that you would like people focusing on other players besides firebolt.

I wasnt a big fan of the sudden influx, which happened both going in and going out

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Lea, would you say you can read Scare well?

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ATTN NEW PEOPLE

Corrik claiming cop means nothing. He probably isnt cop. Stop worrying about it

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IGCD I apologize. That was unnecessarily mean of me. Mafia riles me sometimes

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Hannyabal posted...

I agree with Fastbreak/Scare here.

##Vote: Corrik

And here's why:

Abacus's conditional answer to whether or not he had thoughts so far would imply that a specific answer to this question would confirm his thoughts. Given that the answer to the question was "yes, there can be multiple people with the same role" and then he said "All right, well then I have no thoughts!", it means that he WOULD have had a lead if roles were unique.

Thus, he would have had to be talking about the only player who had claimed a role at that point (Corrik). And (for one more step) the natural implication of that would be that Abacus is himself a TOWN Cop, which would directly prove Corrik's claim false if roles were unique. There could, of course, be more than one Cop, but I think that invites enough suspicion for me to vote up Corrik.

Please correct me if parts of this deduction are wrong, Abacus. Or provide what your thought process was when you posted that.

That's pretty much a hit. Was gonna bring it up towards the end if anyone didn't have any hard suspicions towards anyone else - would just have hated to call it out right then if he did happen to be a second town cop. Scare saying that it's more rare is more of a reason to be suspicious to Corrik.

Also, I felt like an idiot posting that (and the question) right after posting it. Not because I gave away my role, but because I prefer to try to keep my stuff hidden.

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ugh

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Welp
I cant fault Hannyabal for saying all that
Not like scum hasnt considered that themselves already anyway.
I appreciate Scare trying to distract the issue at least, and Abacus you do not have to answer Hannyabal

But yeah, I wondered if scumCorrik claimed cop to lure out a counterclaim from a novice townplayer.

But then I also realized he'd be aiming for very low odds.
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Okay nevermind
double ugh.
shoudve just posted the warning first separately instead of trying to be all wordy.
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htaeD posted...

Welp
I cant fault Hannyabal for saying all that
Not like scum hasnt considered that themselves already anyway.
I appreciate Scare trying to distract the issue at least, and Abacus you do not have to answer Hannyabal

But yeah, I wondered if scumCorrik claimed cop to lure out a counterclaim from a novice townplayer.

But then I also realized he'd be aiming for very low odds.

2/15 aint that bad of odds

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htaeD posted...

Okay nevermind
double ugh.
shoudve just posted the warning first separately instead of trying to be all wordy.

Hah, sorry!

masterplum posted...

2/15 aint that bad of odds

I was going to argue... But it really isn't terrible I guess.

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Hannyabal posted...

Please correct me if parts of this deduction are wrong

Your logic is solid but there's meta here you don't have context for.

Corrik is a liar. As town, as scum, as neutral it doesn't matter. Especially early. I don't expect him to answer *anything* truthfully before day 3. I assure you that no one who has played with him before believed that cop claim. Corrik is the one exception to the "lynch all liars" rule.
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I mean, I figured that quite a few people had picked up on it (given that a bunch of people started saying Abacus is town immediately afterwards).

fire_bolt posted...

Your logic is solid but there's meta here you don't have context for.

Corrik is a liar. As town, as scum, as neutral it doesn't matter. Especially early. I don't expect him to answer *anything* truthfully before day 3. I assure you that no one who has played with him before believed that cop claim. Corrik is the one exception to the "lynch all liars" rule.

I see. Well that's context I didn't have then.

Look, someone earlier said that Scum Corrik would be very dangerous to Town.

What they didn't mention is that Town Corrik is more dangerous to Town.

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Hannyabal posted...

I mean, I figured that quite a few people had picked up on it (given that a bunch of people started saying Abacus is town immediately afterwards).

Yes, but even then it would have been better to not directly get it confirmed.

Now I have to ask
Corrik, what the hell were you thinking claiming cop with two new players?
(I dont blame you at all btw Abacus.)
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Is Abacus town NOW, Sceptile?

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PunishedBen posted...

Is Abacus town NOW, Sceptile?

No.

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htaeD posted...

Now I have to ask
Corrik, what the hell were you thinking claiming cop with two new players?

oh god this looks so Scummy

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htaeD posted...

(I dont blame you at all btw Abacus.)

Well I appreciate that, at least!

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also Abacus is my new favorite player

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

oh god this looks so Scummy

Dont care, I've been asking myself this since this stuff began.
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Fastbreak posted...

corrik is still a good lynch though

<3

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htaeD posted...

Dont care, I've been asking myself this since this stuff began.

It is maybe the most pointless fluff masquerading as content I've seen, and I just played in a game where Corrik spent every post saying "tee-hee!" and nothing else

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ViolentAbacus posted...

No.

I just didnt like Sceptile acting like he didnt see anything.


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Hannyabal posted...

I agree with Fastbreak/Scare here.

##Vote: Corrik

And here's why:

Abacus's conditional answer to whether or not he had thoughts so far would imply that a specific answer to this question would confirm his thoughts. Given that the answer to the question was "yes, there can be multiple people with the same role" and then he said "All right, well then I have no thoughts!", it means that he WOULD have had a lead if roles were unique.

Thus, he would have had to be talking about the only player who had claimed a role at that point (Corrik). And (for one more step) the natural implication of that would be that Abacus is himself a TOWN Cop, which would directly prove Corrik's claim false if roles were unique. There could, of course, be more than one Cop, but I think that invites enough suspicion for me to vote up Corrik.

Please correct me if parts of this deduction are wrong, Abacus. Or provide what your thought process was when you posted that.

That is very astute! Oh my! I was thinking this same thing regarding Abacus! We are on the same page! I think you are town too with Plum, Firebolt, and Abacus!

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

also Abacus is my new favorite player

Oh, why is that?

PunishedBen posted...

I just didnt like Sceptile acting like he didnt see anything.

That was supposed to be a joke post, pay it no mind!

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