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Mezcla 05/18/20 9:03:36 PM #1:	Can't wait for Cyberpunk 2077 Finally. A game with no politics --- Sig <cite>Mezcla posted [p:939365170] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>Can't wait for Cyberpunk 2077 Finally. A game with no politics </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 05/18/20 9:08:06 PM #2:	There are posters on CE intelligent enough to understand the difference between a game with politics, and a game pushing politics. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:939365404] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>There are posters on CE intelligent enough to understand the difference between a game with politics, and a game pushing politics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 05/18/20 9:09:11 PM #3:	s0nicfan posted... There are posters on CE intelligent enough to understand the difference between a game with politics, and a game pushing politics. Can you give an example of each? >_> --- https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:939365460] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>There are posters on CE intelligent enough to understand the difference between a game with politics, and a game pushing politics.</quote> Can you give an example of each? >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 05/18/20 9:11:07 PM #4:	There's zero chance that a game set in the future will have nothing to say about society <cite>Derwood posted [p:939365544] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>There's zero chance that a game set in the future will have nothing to say about society </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 05/18/20 9:13:13 PM #5:	AlisLandale posted... Can you give an example of each? >_> a game with politics: has politics i agree with a game pushing politics: has politics i disagree with --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:939365639] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>AlisLandale posted... </cite> <quote>Can you give an example of each? >_></quote> a game with politics: has politics i agree with a game pushing politics: has politics i disagree with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bananana 05/18/20 9:15:01 PM #6:	s0nicfan posted... There are posters on CE intelligent enough to understand the difference between a game with politics, and a game pushing politics. pushing politics is the point of art --- http://error1355.com/ce/Bananana.html <cite>Bananana posted [p:939365714] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>There are posters on CE intelligent enough to understand the difference between a game with politics, and a game pushing politics.</quote>pushing politics is the point of art </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 05/18/20 9:22:56 PM #7:	AlisLandale posted... Can you give an example of each? >_> Sure. BioShock is a game with politics. It explores a concept that is itself very political by extrapolating results to the extreme and letting you explore the aftermath. It even has a character that explicitly espouses political views in Andrew Ryan, but it generally follows the show, not tell approach to letting an individual player decide whether the ideology is fundamentally flawed or the execution, and characters behave in ways that would be reasonable given their perspective. A game that pushes politics would be something like Tonight We Riot, where the developers have explicitly stated that the purpose is to be anti capitalism and the mechanics are designed make that point apparent as possible in all aspects of the game. As a bonus, a game that is a bit of both is Metal Gear Solid. Most of the game contains politics, but Kojima is also famous for having a character kill a half hour near the end of his games to more or less just tell the player the point of the message that he was trying to get across. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:939366077] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>AlisLandale posted... </cite> <quote>Can you give an example of each? >_></quote> Sure. BioShock is a game with politics. It explores a concept that is itself very political by extrapolating results to the extreme and letting you explore the aftermath. It even has a character that explicitly espouses political views in Andrew Ryan, but it generally follows the show, not tell approach to letting an individual player decide whether the ideology is fundamentally flawed or the execution, and characters behave in ways that would be reasonable given their perspective. A game that pushes politics would be something like Tonight We Riot, where the developers have explicitly stated that the purpose is to be anti capitalism and the mechanics are designed make that point apparent as possible in all aspects of the game. As a bonus, a game that is a bit of both is Metal Gear Solid. Most of the game contains politics, but Kojima is also famous for having a character kill a half hour near the end of his games to more or less just tell the player the point of the message that he was trying to get across. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 05/18/20 9:23:42 PM #8:	Bananana posted... pushing politics is the point of art What Gross --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:939366116] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>Bananana posted... </cite> <quote>pushing politics is the point of art</quote> What Gross </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mezcla 05/18/20 9:26:40 PM #9:	Sonic your going on my ignore list --- Sig <cite>Mezcla posted [p:939366286] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>Sonic your going on my ignore list </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tiornys 05/18/20 9:27:49 PM #10:	This recent article seems relevant to this discussion: https://www.tor.com/2020/05/13/classic-sf-with-absolutely-no-agenda-whatsoever/ <cite>tiornys posted [p:939366351] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>This recent article seems relevant to this discussion: https://www.tor.com/2020/05/13/classic-sf-with-absolutely-no-agenda-whatsoever/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 05/18/20 9:29:17 PM #11:	s0nicfan posted... Sure. BioShock is a game with politics. It explores a concept that is itself very political by extrapolating results to the extreme and letting you explore the aftermath. It even has a character that explicitly espouses political views in Andrew Ryan, but it generally follows the show, not tell approach to letting an individual player decide whether the ideology is fundamentally flawed or the execution, and characters behave in ways that would be reasonable given their perspective. You think that Bioshock is ambiguous about it's political message? You think that it leaves a lot up to player interpretation? <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:939366422] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote> Sure. BioShock is a game with politics. It explores a concept that is itself very political by extrapolating results to the extreme and letting you explore the aftermath. It even has a character that explicitly espouses political views in Andrew Ryan, but it generally follows the show, not tell approach to letting an individual player decide whether the ideology is fundamentally flawed or the execution, and characters behave in ways that would be reasonable given their perspective.</quote> You think that Bioshock is ambiguous about it's political message? You think that it leaves a lot up to player interpretation? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 05/18/20 9:30:47 PM #12:	Bioshock is straight up Ayn Rand, John Galt politics. It's overtly poltical <cite>Derwood posted [p:939366487] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>Bioshock is straight up Ayn Rand, John Galt politics. It's overtly poltical </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 05/18/20 9:31:31 PM #13:	ultimate reaver posted... AlisLandale posted... Can you give an example of each? >_> a game with politics: has politics i agree with a game pushing politics: has politics i disagree with --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:939366522] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote>AlisLandale posted... </cite> <quote> Can you give an example of each? >_></quote> a game with politics: has politics i agree with a game pushing politics: has politics i disagree with </quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
evil_zombie11 05/18/20 9:33:11 PM #14:	All XCOM2 does is ruin my life. Lol --- lifting or running. S/B/D 405/345/500 @181lbs Your daily gfaq cringe: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tJSFGO5EFC4 <cite>evil_zombie11 posted [p:939366589] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>All XCOM2 does is ruin my life. Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yazarogi 05/18/20 9:35:21 PM #15:	lol Bioshock made it pretty clear Ayn Randian societies usually end up in a dystopic situation. --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker <cite>Yazarogi posted [p:939366691] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>lol Bioshock made it pretty clear Ayn Randian societies usually end up in a dystopic situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 05/18/20 9:38:03 PM #16:	FlameTurtle posted... You think that Bioshock is ambiguous about it's political message? You think that it leaves a lot up to player interpretation? It's ambiguous in the sense that the intent behind Rapture was not a simple mustache twirling villain being evil for the sake of being evil so that the game could say hey look at how terrible this is. That's more or less how BioShock Infinite decided to tell its story. There's also the fact that the introduction of Adam which created super junkies that basically turn into rage zombies was an unexpected wrench in the plan. Let me maybe rephrase my point. The difference between having politics and pushing politics is the depth of the writing. It's the difference between having a believable enough world that players can come to a conclusion through observing the results or having a character that exists for the sole purpose of letting another character bounce off how wrong they are. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:939366816] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>FlameTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>You think that Bioshock is ambiguous about it's political message? You think that it leaves a lot up to player interpretation?</quote> It's ambiguous in the sense that the intent behind Rapture was not a simple mustache twirling villain being evil for the sake of being evil so that the game could say hey look at how terrible this is. That's more or less how BioShock Infinite decided to tell its story. There's also the fact that the introduction of Adam which created super junkies that basically turn into rage zombies was an unexpected wrench in the plan. Let me maybe rephrase my point. The difference between having politics and pushing politics is the depth of the writing. It's the difference between having a believable enough world that players can come to a conclusion through observing the results or having a character that exists for the sole purpose of letting another character bounce off how wrong they are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 05/18/20 9:39:47 PM #17:	As long as they dont shove it in your face, it's fine >_> --- https://i.imgtc.ws/cCF89fl.gif https://i.imgtc.ws/LeYvR5c.gif https://i.imgtc.ws/eNZ2kfM.gif https://i.imgtc.ws/kFyHKqh.jpg https://i.imgtc.ws/eSmBjnF.png <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:939366874] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>As long as they dont shove it in your face, it's fine >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bananana 05/18/20 9:45:41 PM #18:	The Trent posted... What Gross its not my fault conservative-slanted art is terrible every time and thus not a part of the mainstream --- http://error1355.com/ce/Bananana.html <cite>Bananana posted [p:939367148] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>The Trent posted... </cite> <quote>What Gross</quote>its not my fault conservative-slanted art is terrible every time and thus not a part of the mainstream </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 05/18/20 9:46:19 PM #19:	s0nicfan posted... It's ambiguous in the sense that the intent behind Rapture was not a simple mustache twirling villain being evil for the sake of being evil so that the game could say hey look at how terrible this is. You might want to replay it. <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:939367174] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>It's ambiguous in the sense that the intent behind Rapture was not a simple mustache twirling villain being evil for the sake of being evil so that the game could say hey look at how terrible this is.</quote>You might want to replay it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/18/20 9:48:21 PM #20:	s0nicfan posted... It's ambiguous in the sense that the intent behind Rapture was not a simple mustache twirling villain being evil for the sake of being evil so that the game could say hey look at how terrible this is. That's more or less how BioShock Infinite decided to tell its story. There's also the fact that the introduction of Adam which created super junkies that basically turn into rage zombies was an unexpected wrench in the plan. Let me maybe rephrase my point. The difference between having politics and pushing politics is the depth of the writing. It's the difference between having a believable enough world that players can come to a conclusion through observing the results or having a character that exists for the sole purpose of letting another character bounce off how wrong they are. Why do you think Adam was made in the first place though. Everything that happened in Rapture was due to how that society is built. The game is outright saying that mindset isn't sustainable for society. It's pushing politics. Writing deep characters seems like a weird distinction to make for a game pushing politics or not. Generally having shallow characters mean the game is less political. Not more. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:939367269] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>It's ambiguous in the sense that the intent behind Rapture was not a simple mustache twirling villain being evil for the sake of being evil so that the game could say hey look at how terrible this is. That's more or less how BioShock Infinite decided to tell its story. There's also the fact that the introduction of Adam which created super junkies that basically turn into rage zombies was an unexpected wrench in the plan. Let me maybe rephrase my point. The difference between having politics and pushing politics is the depth of the writing. It's the difference between having a believable enough world that players can come to a conclusion through observing the results or having a character that exists for the sole purpose of letting another character bounce off how wrong they are.</quote> Why do you think Adam was made in the first place though. Everything that happened in Rapture was due to how that society is built. The game is outright saying that mindset isn't sustainable for society. It's pushing politics. Writing deep characters seems like a weird distinction to make for a game pushing politics or not. Generally having shallow characters mean the game is less political. Not more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 05/18/20 10:12:10 PM #21:	Bananana posted... its not my fault conservative-slanted art is terrible every time and thus not a part of the mainstream I dont know what that has to do with it but to think the purpose of art is to convey politics is a terribly fucked up way to view art --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:939368306] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>Bananana posted... </cite> <quote>its not my fault conservative-slanted art is terrible every time and thus not a part of the mainstream</quote> I dont know what that has to do with it but to think the purpose of art is to convey politics is a terribly fucked up way to view art </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Axiom 05/18/20 10:41:07 PM #24:	ultimate reaver posted... a game with politics: has politics i agree with a game pushing politics: has politics i disagree with ^ <cite>Axiom posted [p:939369528] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>ultimate reaver posted... </cite> <quote>a game with politics: has politics i agree with a game pushing politics: has politics i disagree with</quote>^ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bananana 05/18/20 11:16:59 PM #25:	The Trent posted... I dont know what that has to do with it but to think the purpose of art is to convey politics is a terribly fucked up way to view art Literally everything is politics. The centric idea of being a human being is political. Anything that makes any statement of any kind is political --- http://error1355.com/ce/Bananana.html <cite>Bananana posted [p:939370970] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>The Trent posted... </cite> <quote>I dont know what that has to do with it but to think the purpose of art is to convey politics is a terribly fucked up way to view art</quote>Literally everything is politics. The centric idea of being a human being is political. Anything that makes any statement of any kind is political </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
evil_zombie11 05/18/20 11:41:45 PM #26:	Bananana posted... Literally everything is politics. The centric idea of being a human being is political. Anything that makes any statement of any kind is political what about yugioh --- lifting or running. S/B/D 405/345/500 @181lbs Your daily gfaq cringe: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tJSFGO5EFC4 <cite>evil_zombie11 posted [p:939372055] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>Bananana posted... </cite> <quote>Literally everything is politics. The centric idea of being a human being is political. Anything that makes any statement of any kind is political</quote> what about yugioh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 05/19/20 9:27:53 AM #27:	Bananana posted... Literally everything is politics. The centric idea of being a human being is political. Anything that makes any statement of any kind is political Absolutely disgusting --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:939385713] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>Bananana posted... </cite> <quote>Literally everything is politics. The centric idea of being a human being is political. Anything that makes any statement of any kind is political</quote> Absolutely disgusting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 05/19/20 9:29:17 AM #28:	evil_zombie11 posted... what about yugioh Yu-Gi-Oh is the most political franchise known to man --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:939385750] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>evil_zombie11 posted... </cite> <quote>what about yugioh</quote>Yu-Gi-Oh is the most political franchise known to man </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 05/19/20 9:31:01 AM #29:	Derwood posted... There's zero chance that a game set in the future will have nothing to say about society Nah, it's one common reason for the selection of the setting but there are others too, like exploring physical phenomena or theoretical problems. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:939385798] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>There's zero chance that a game set in the future will have nothing to say about society</quote>Nah, it's one common reason for the selection of the setting but there are others too, like exploring physical phenomena or theoretical problems. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 05/19/20 9:44:45 AM #30:	I'm so sick of games in my politics. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:939386273] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>I'm so sick of games in my politics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 05/19/20 10:35:17 AM #31:	a game pushing politics. Simcity / The Sims is a big one, although it's true for just about anything in the genre. Everything is tweaked based on a mixture of reality and wishful thinking. Like, mass transit is better in the long run because of less pollution and higher population capacity of travel, but it costs a little more. Or you need green spaces adjacent to industrial districts to minimize the pollution. Or that casinos cause the crime rate to go up, so it's best to have a police station nearby. Or nuclear power is more expensive than coal, but again, less pollution. The game rewards you for being farsighted with a pro-environmental skew, and assumes all its residents are well educated, farsighted, and also pro-environmental. You never have to account for things like people being short-sighted fucks who'd prefer roads because they already have a car, and "ugh, taking the bus is only for poor people, and I'm not a poor person!", or getting a bribe from the casino to NOT have a police station nearby, or people being scared to live next to a nuclear power plant. Same with Sims. The game rewards you for "doing good", aka, going to your job on the regular, having lots of friends, having a fancy-ass bathroom, and working on your job-centric skills even while off the job. There is no option (unless it's a later version) of you being so tired from work that you just wanna drink a beer and watch sports on TV until it's time for bed; nope, you just march up to that espresso machine, do a dance, pee, and take up your woodworking hobby. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:939387999] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote><quote>a game pushing politics.</quote> Simcity / The Sims is a big one, although it's true for just about anything in the genre. Everything is tweaked based on a mixture of reality and wishful thinking. Like, mass transit is better in the long run because of less pollution and higher population capacity of travel, but it costs a little more. Or you need green spaces adjacent to industrial districts to minimize the pollution. Or that casinos cause the crime rate to go up, so it's best to have a police station nearby. Or nuclear power is more expensive than coal, but again, less pollution. The game rewards you for being farsighted with a pro-environmental skew, and assumes all its residents are well educated, farsighted, and also pro-environmental. You never have to account for things like people being short-sighted fucks who'd prefer roads because they already have a car, and "ugh, taking the bus is only for poor people, and I'm not a poor person!", or getting a bribe from the casino to NOT have a police station nearby, or people being scared to live next to a nuclear power plant. Same with Sims. The game rewards you for "doing good", aka, going to your job on the regular, having lots of friends, having a fancy-ass bathroom, and working on your job-centric skills even while off the job. There is no option (unless it's a later version) of you being so tired from work that you just wanna drink a beer and watch sports on TV until it's time for bed; nope, you just march up to that espresso machine, do a dance, pee, and take up your woodworking hobby.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 05/19/20 10:47:15 AM #32:	Every game is political? Well then, wtf are the politics of Silent Hill 2? --- https://imgtc.com/Y8ojZ3x <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:939388429] in I'm so sic... [t:78700617]...</cite> <quote>Every game is political? Well then, wtf are the politics of Silent Hill 2? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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