Current Events > The biggest plot hole in Endgame doesn't even have anything to do w/ (spoilers)

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Time travel.

The biggest plot hole is this.

Hulk is told that by taking the stones from one timeline to fix another you fuck over the timeline you took it from because it needs it's own stones. The fix for this is to just return it later. Ok.

But Thanos permanently destroys the stones from the main time and nothing bad happens? Why not?

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Do you not understand how time travel works?

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Banana_Cyanide posted...

Do you not understand how time travel works?

Bruh the time travel has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. If removing the stones creates a "doomed time" why is destroying them okay?

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yeah something i couldnt help but think while watching that movie. i mean maybe future MCU movies will deal with this (the lack of stones bringing about some sort of doomsday idk)

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Because destroying the stones isn't the same as an external force removing them from the timeline I guess

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The stones in the main timeline have served their purpose and destiny. They hadn't when the Avengers took them from the different timelines. Removing the stones would have drastically altered what happened in previous MCU movies.

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fusespliff posted...

Because destroying the stones isn't the same as an external force removing them from the timeline I guess

The ancient one says the stones are needed for metaphysical reasons. Like pulling one battery out of a radio means it'll die faster. The stone needs to exist for the health of the universe. Regardless of how it's removed it would have the same effect.

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Darmik posted...

The stones in the main timeline have served their purpose and destiny.

No, the Ancient One essentially says them being there is what keeps things functioning.

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So the original timeline needs it is own stones? I don't get it. What the hell does that mean?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The ancient one says the stones are needed for metaphysical reasons. Like pulling one battery out of a radio means it'll die faster. The stone needs to exist for the health of the universe. Regardless of how it's removed it would have the same effect.

Not really

The Infinity stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality but my new one, not so much. In this new branched reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be over run. Millions will suffer. So, tell me Doctor, can your science prevent all that

Doctor Strange needs the Time Stone to stop Dormammu. Pretty sure she was alluding to stuff like that. Not that the timeline would cease to exist if the stones were removed period.

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If this was a problem, the ancient one would've asked where the fuck their stones went. The stones being destroyed and broken down is not the same as removing them from existence.

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Because the stones can undo the bad. That 5 year period was gonna be permanent if they didn't borrow stones from elsewhere. The Ancient One specifically says this. That's the chief weapon against evil and that removing it would branch the timeline, but not because an Infinity Stone was removed. It would be because they'd change past events.

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The Stones are atomized, not necessarily destroyed. They still exist but cannot be used.

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People "dusted" in planes and boats is still the biggest plot hole.

I was looking for exactly what the ancient One said. Seems like someone had the same question as you

https://tinyurl.com/yb3tz4vx

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The real stones were the friends we made along the way.

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When Thanos snapped to kill half of life it didnt just make life vanish, they turned to ash and stuff. So its not like he deleted their matter from existence. Same goes for the stones. Removing them from other timelines means theyre removed from existence. Thanos didnt do that, he destroyed them, meaning the matter still exists. In other words, just like the people, the stones were turned to dust and therefore still physically exist in an unusable state.

(Edit): Thanos literally says reduced to atoms in the scene where he reveals that they were destroyed. Therefore the stones arent gone. Its addressed in the movie.

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Dragonball explanation. By destroying the androids in one timeline, it doesn't mean they are destroyed in your timeline. Let me put it another way.

Here's a good example: Flashpoint Paradox. Flash goes back in time to save his mother from dying. But this kicks off a butterfly effect because it was part of the timeline. So instead of Batmans parents dying to a thug, instead Bruce dies. Thomas Wayne becomes a batman who kills everything in sight, and his mother becomes Joker.

They go back in time to take the stones to their future, but that secondary timeline no longer has the stones protecting it from whatever comes their way. Another way to look at it is through the original X-Men series where Cable kept coming back from the future, but every time he returned to his timeline something would screw up.

If all the stones are destroyed at the same time it probably meant they cancel each other out.

Cheese_Crackers posted...

The Stones are atomized, not necessarily destroyed. They still exist but cannot be used.

This. Thanos has a line about it at the start.

I think you guys missed the point of the conversation with her. The stones existing has nothing to do with a timeline remaining stable. She says the stones are needed to fight evil. If many of them were removed permanently in 2012, what about when they were crucial in things after 2012? And even going further.

She was basically explaining the whole "if you go back in time and save Goku, you're gonna branch the timeline" for the audience.


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