Current Events > Jeff Bezos on pace to be the first trillionaire as coronavirus helps Amazon

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darkprince45 posted...

Ah yes, talk about minorities like were some stupid faction lol. Ill take a mod for this. But youre a fucking moron. You bitch about cops being bad but lets be real. You havent done shit to change the world around you. Youre probably some entitled white privileged middle class male. Youve probably experienced no hardship in your life dude. Just shut up already and keep referring to us minorities as kids you talk about

You're the one who brought up being a minority as some kind of weird defense, not me. I simply stated that fascist ideals don't care about the color of your skin.
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Today I learned Socialists and communists don't have police

I feel like some of you could still defend Jeff bezos, western society, the concept of zillionaires etc without always resorting to criticising some perceived underclass for being bad/lazy/whatever

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Austin_Era_II posted...

And what do all you people whining about suggest we do? Get rid of the monetary system and keep advancing society without money? Lazy people would act more lazy. This is why some people who are mortgage free do fuck all.

no, bezos should be killed. His money should be distributed to ME. So I can pay off my college loans. This is what they really want to say. As you can see, one of the defenders talks about minorities like were animals and talks to me in German referring to me as a nazi. They dont give a shit about other people lol

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Godnorgosh posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline_protests#Police_move_to_clear_camp

yeah, I said i would never.

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

I feel like some of you could still defend Jeff bezos, western society, the concept of zillionaires etc without always resorting to criticising some perceived underclass for being bad/lazy/whatever

That's all they have. That and accusing people who are critical of the system wanting executions and such. Strawmen are all they got.

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Look at that, a moderation. Oh NO!

Keep up the fascist bootlicking. You know what you are.
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Move to Cuba pal.

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ConquestOfBread posted...

Keep up the fascist bootlicking.

Nah. its the socialists who are behaving like fascists every day and dont even realize it. economic freedom is not fascist.

Godnorgosh posted...

And how do you know that? I bet if you'd asked some of those cops a few years before the DAPL protests if they'd ever do that, they'd say something similar.

boom hypothetically roasted

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He is currently the richest man, so it makes sense he would be projected to be the first trillionaire. The article predicts it could happen in 2026, but that assumes Amazon will be on the same upward trend it has been on for the last 5 years, and be worth like 8 trillion dollars by then, which I highly doubt will happen. Just a clickbait headline article.

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cerealbox760 posted...

ConquestOfBread posted...

Keep up the fascist bootlicking.

Nah. its the socialists who are behaving like fascists every day and dont even realize it. economic freedom is not fascist.

"Muh free markets"
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ssk9716757 posted...

emblem boy posted...

I've always found this a weird argument. Do you not think people can disagree with the idea of something without it financially benefitting them or something?

I fall into that category (I make six figures but still think people in my bracket and higher should pay more towards social welfare programs), but the difference is that those people are actively harming themselves. If taxes dont go up for me, I lose nothing. If the system doesnt change for them, it puts them at a greater disadvantage.

I do understand that. There's a financial point where disagreeing with system or ideology doesn't help you out in any way in the short term.

But again, someone can also have legitimate disagreements about a system that might help them out in the short term, but that they believe is not good overall.

I don't know. I just think simplifying it down to "oh they're acting against their best interest " is a bit dismissive of actual arguments.

But then, I'm sure there are non legitimate arguments people believe that keep them from actually agreeing with things that would benefit them
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Godnorgosh posted...

And how do you know that? I bet if you'd asked some of those cops a few years before the DAPL protests if they'd ever do that, they'd say something similar.

Because my department has never done anything like that in its history. If they did, it would be volunteer

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Lets all live without money in some magical country like hippies. Oh yay we all get along. The guy flipping burgers gets the same amount of money as a doctor. Yay. Now we all go back to our huts and tell stories. Oh look that country is invading us. Shame we don't have money to buy materials to form an army. Now we are fucked.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Yes, and like I said, the conspiracy was debunked in the first thing I found pertaining to the conspiracy, by a forum devoted to conspiracy hobbyists.

No it wasn't. His criticism doesn't debunk literally reality. You can read the article yourself. You can read the report of the murder that took place that night following the reporting of the lawsuit. You think those are 2 events are completely coincidental? Cause someone says "this is wrong", you're going to believe him because it agrees with your sentiment coming into the story? 1-800-COME-ON-NOW

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it's okay, he's not a cop in an area that has "troublemakers", so he just enforces drug and property law

Godnorgosh posted...

Neither had some of the departments involved in the DAPL protests!

<citation needed> and the help from other agencies was most likely because its fucking North Dakota. That would be like a major mass incident happening in a small town. They just dont have the resources.

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take jeff bezos' money away from him and redistribute it to all americans imo

he can keep a couple billion dollars

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People get jealous when someone has more money than them. Tell someone you got $50K sitting in your bank account and they'll be asking for some money.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

take jeff bezos' money away from him and redistribute it to all americans imo

he can keep a couple billion dollars

all Americans? So how much would we all get? A dollar? I dont want his money. I would not feel right forcibly taking his money, imagine someone taking your money lmao

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darkprince45 posted...

all Americans? So how much would we all get? A dollar?

please reference the oppression scale to determine your distribution amount

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Godnorgosh posted...

What matter of public safety was at risk?

Its the prevention of it. Because protests tend to have a violent capacity.

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If you started spending a million dollars a month when you became an adult, it's likely you'd die before you hit a billion.

If you started spending a billion dollars a month when you became an adult, it's likely you'd die before you hit a trillion.

Nobody works hard enough to make a billion dollars, let alone a trillion. You cannot possibly spend that amount of money. It's unconscionable that a trillionaire can exist at the same time 1 in 5 American children are going hungry.

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darkprince45 posted...

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Its the prevention of it. Because protests tend to have a violent capacity.

but only when they're protesting something you agree with

treewojima posted...

but only when they're protesting something you agree with

My department responds to all protests of any kind

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Lol......amazon is not 10x in market cap anytime soon

Also there are trillionaires in the world. They just aren't as public with their wealth as the major stake holders of huge corporations are.

In short, I know that article is stupid and has major holes in it without even reading it

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darkprince45 posted...

all Americans? So how much would we all get? A dollar? I dont want his money. I would not feel right forcibly taking his money, imagine someone taking your money lmao

us government takes my money ever year

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Mecha Sonic posted...

us government takes my money ever year

Doesnt every government in the world do that

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Your money is being taken to assist the very same people you want money to be given to. What are you complaining about

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Lets all live without money in some magical country like hippies. Oh yay we all get along. The guy flipping burgers gets the same amount of money as a doctor. Yay. Now we all go back to our huts and tell stories. Oh look that country is invading us. Shame we don't have money to buy materials to form an army. Now we are fucked.

Hyperbole. Barring some extreme cases, most socialists accept differences in pay due to skill, it's just that most feel that the current system has excesses that could be fixed. No need to act like this unless you can't formulate a decent counter-argument.

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Dayum

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cerealbox760 posted...

Today I learned Socialists and communists don't have police

There are alternatives. One of them is a justice system that existed in the United States before the rise of the police. Its well documented for Philadelphia, so thats the place Ill discuss.

Colonial Philadelphia developed a system called the minor courts in which most criminal prosecutions took place. The mayor and the aldermen served as the judgesthe magistrates. Poor people would save up money so they could pay a fee to the magistrate to hear a case.

Then, as now, most crime was committed by poor people against poor people. In these courts, the victim of assault, theft, or defamation would act as prosecutor. A constable might get involved in order to bring in the accused, but thats not the same thing as a cop making an arrest. The whole action was driven by the victims desires, not the states objectives. The accused could also counter-sue.

There were no lawyers involved on either side, so the only expense was the fee to the magistrate. The system wasnt perfect, because the judge might be corrupt, and the life of the poor didnt stop being miserable when they won a case. But the system was quite popular and continued operating for some time even after a system of modern police and state prosecutors developed in parallel.

The rise of the police, which came along with the rise of the prosecutors, meant that the state was putting its thumb on the scales of justice. In court, you might hope to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Before you get to court, though, you have to pass through the hands of the cops and prosecutors who certainly dont treat you like youre innocent. They have a chance to pressure you or torture you into a confessionor nowadays a confession in the form of a plea bargainbefore you ever get to court.

However unfair the system came to be as it was dominated by cops and prosecutors, the minor courts had shown Philadelphians that an alternative was possible that looked a lot more like dispute resolution among equals.

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Bolle_Henk_ posted...

Hyperbole. Barring some extreme cases, most socialists accept differences in pay due to skill, it's just that most feel that the current system has excesses that could be fixed. No need to act like this unless you can't formulate a decent counter-argument.

Giving people more money who don't know how to spend it doesn't help. They blow it on useless stuff and want more. Forming food banks and stuff to help feed people is the way. There will always be homeless and hungry people in the world especially in a country like India.

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EzeDoesIt posted...

There are alternatives.

gulags

Good on him and well deserved, I use Amazon Prime and the other services you get with the membership all the time, very useful.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Giving people more money who don't know how to spend it doesn't help. They blow it on useless stuff and want more. Forming food banks and stuff to help feed people is the way. There will always be homeless and hungry people in the world especially in a country like India.

There is extensive research that shows that isn't true. Poor people do make worse economic decisions, but you have the causality wrong. When you are poor you make worse decisions, not you become because you make bad decisions. That of course also happens, but on a statistical level it's not true.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Just a clickbait headline article.

Solid Snake07 posted...

In short, I know that article is stupid and has major holes in it without even reading it

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Jeff Bezos along with others like Zukerburg came up with stuff and made it. Like I said many people can become millionaires when over 50 years old. Of course not everyone...go ahead and make your millions and blow it away helping poor people if it makes you feel better. Lets ask MC Hammer if he's still happy with his choices.

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cerealbox760 posted...

gulags

Funny you should say that, as filling workhouses was a key reason for the rise of the police in America.

First of all, we need to put policing in the context of a bigger ruling-class project of managing and shaping the working class. I said in an earlier post that the emergence of workers revolt coincided with a breakdown of old methods of constant personal supervision of the workforce. The state stepped in to provide supervision. The cops were part of that effort, but the state also expanded its programs of poor relief and public schooling.

Police work was integrated with the system of poor relief, as constables worked on registration of the poor and their placement in workhouses. Thats even before the police were professionalizedthe constables were sorting out the deserving poor from the undeserving poor. If people were unemployed and unable to work, constables would direct them toward charity from churches or the city itself. But if folks were able to work, they were judged to be idlers and sent off to the horrors of the workhouse.

The system for poor relief made a crucial contribution to the creation of the market for wage labor. The key function of the relief system was to make unemployment so unpleasant and humiliating that people were willing to take ordinary jobs at very low wages just to avoid unemployment. By punishing the poorest people, capitalism creates a low baseline for the wage scale and pulls the whole scale downward.

The police no longer play such a direct role in selecting people for relief, but they do deliver a good deal of the punishment. As we know, lots of police work has to do with making life unpleasant for unemployed people on the street.

The rise of modern policing also coincides with the rise of public education. Public schools accustom children to the discipline of the capitalist workplace, including the submission to strict rules about the proper time to do things. The school reform movement of the 1830s and 40s also aimed to shape the students moral character. The effect of this was supposed to be that students would willingly submit to authority, that they would be able to work hard, exercise self -control, and delay gratification.

In fact, the concepts of good citizenship that came out of school reform movement were perfectly aligned with the concepts of criminology that were being invented to categorize people on the street. The police were to focus not just on crime but on criminal typesa method of profiling backed up by supposedly scientific credentials. The juvenile delinquent, for example, is a concept that is common to schooling and policingand has helped to link the two activities in practice.

This ideology of good citizenship was supposed to have a big effect inside the heads of students, encouraging them to think that the problems in society come from the actions of bad guys. A key objective of schooling, according to reformer Horace Mann, should be to implant a certain kind of conscience in the studentsso that they discipline their own behavior and begin to police themselves. In Manns words, the objective was for children to think of duty rather than of the policeman.

Needless to say, an analytic scheme for dividing society between good guys and bad guys is perfect for identifying scapegoats, especially racial ones. Such a moralistic scheme was (and is) also a direct competitor to a class-conscious worldview, which identifies societys basic antagonism as the conflict between exploiters and exploited. Police activity thus goes beyond simple repressionit teaches an ideology of good and bad citizenship that dovetails with the lessons of the classroom and the workhouse.

The overall point here is that the invention of the police was part of a broader expansion of state activity to gain control over the day-to-day behavior of the working class. Schooling, poor relief and police work all aimed to shape workers to become useful toand loyal tothe capitalist class.


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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Imagine actually defending the evil empire that is Amazon.

What is evil about Amazon?

I have read about Nestle and Chiquita earning that label. Amazon appears to be anti union, although that seems very common in business.

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"I don't support China due to slave labour"

*walks into the person's house and sees lots of items that were made from China*

"So...you gonna get rid of these items?"

"GTFO of mahh house!"

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Imagine hacking/buying an old GFAQs account so you can simp for Jeff Bezos.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

it's telling how people who keep defending capitalism and capitalists keep referring to it is a game. As if the management of our resources and our very survival are just a pleasant game, not a matter of life and death and a necessity.

I'd rather we still be able to participate in a 'game' than be forced into life and death via society failing so hard we would need socialism/communism.

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Hoes mad

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