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au_gold
05/12/20 2:09:02 AM
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https://youtu.be/f-MTTcr5i-Q

It will be interesting to see how he fares against Trump.

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casio_guy
05/12/20 2:12:26 AM
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Yeah but he's old, ok? We need to get the old out of politics.

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TomNook20
05/12/20 2:16:19 AM
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bevan306
05/12/20 2:17:01 AM
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FL81
05/12/20 2:23:18 AM
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I mean the dude's been in politics since the War of 1812, he has experience

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MedeaLysistrata
05/12/20 2:32:16 AM
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FL81 posted...
I mean the dude's been in politics since the War of 1812, he has experience
Experience doing what?

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Shablagoo
05/12/20 2:32:50 AM
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We live in a dystopian hellscape country where grifters like Joe Biden lie to us and say we cant do simple human rights that the rest of the civilized world has managed to accomplish easily.

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nexigrams
05/12/20 2:52:58 AM
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Remember that time he ripped off an entire speech and had to cancel his entire presidential campaign because of it? He's so phony and creepy and old and I just can't do it anymore.

I'm never voting for someone I don't believe in again just because they are the lesser of two evils. From now on, I'll just write in candidates that share my ideals. Maybe they'll eventually get sick of losing elections as a result of forcing their establishment candidates on us, idk.

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Irony
05/12/20 3:25:10 AM
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casio_guy posted...
Yeah but he's old, ok? We need to get the old out of politics.
Agreed we need young idiots that don't know shit and get by solely on looks like AOC

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au_gold
05/12/20 3:50:31 AM
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nexigrams posted...
Remember that time he ripped off an entire speech and had to cancel his entire presidential campaign because of it?
What happened?

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Shablagoo
05/12/20 4:09:44 AM
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au_gold posted...
What happened?

The then-44-year-old Senator was great at giving inspiring speeches and people were attracted to his youthful energy, but he could also come off like a hothead, as he did in his angry questioning of Secretary of State George Shultz when the Senate heard testimony about South Africa in 1986. His position in the Senate offered him a chance to show his skill. In particular, as Biden chaired the Judiciary Committee, he hoped to gained more national attention during the uproar over polarizing conservative Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork. Biden, in charge of the confirmation hearings, oversaw what was seen as potentially the culminating ideological showdown of the Reagan era, as TIME put it back then. For Chairman Biden, the hearings could provide a spark for his presidential campaign by giving him a chance to show his mettle in front of a national television audience.

But Biden didnt get a chance to shine during the Bork hearings in the way he had hoped.

A few days before they began, video surfaced that spliced together footage of U.K. Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock giving a speech and Biden clearly quoting Kinnock at the Iowa State Fair without attribution. More examples of misattribution came to light, and the plagiarism scandal became more memorable than his leadership during the Bork confirmation hearing. His mouth or rather, what he failed to say got him in trouble again.

https://time.com/5636715/biden-1988-presidential-campaign/

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au_gold
05/12/20 7:40:58 AM
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How embarrassing.

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MaxEffingBemis
05/12/20 7:44:13 AM
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And were expected to just vote for this guy over Trump

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Doom_Art
05/12/20 7:54:26 AM
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nexigrams posted...
Maybe they'll eventually get sick of losing elections as a result of forcing their establishment candidates on us, idk.
TIL winning an election fairly = the establishment forcing a candidate on you

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Doom_Art
05/12/20 8:07:14 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
to suppress the minority vote,
didn't biden get the vast majority of the minority vote

like aren't they a big part of his coalition

Godnorgosh posted...
convince the public
Yes that's a big part of winning elections

Godnorgosh posted...
persuade other candidates to drop out to consolidate the vote

so these people who are ideologically close to biden shouldve stayed in when it became obvious they would've lost and Bernie should've been awardee the nomination with like 30% of the vote


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V-E-G-Y-
05/12/20 8:09:16 AM
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nexigrams posted...
Remember that time he ripped off an entire speech and had to cancel his entire presidential campaign because of it? He's so phony and creepy and old and I just can't do it anymore.

I'm never voting for someone I don't believe in again just because they are the lesser of two evils. From now on, I'll just write in candidates that share my ideals. Maybe they'll eventually get sick of losing elections as a result of forcing their establishment candidates on us, idk.

Just admit you're a trump supporter its ok
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scar the 1
05/12/20 8:11:02 AM
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Sure is fair when the corporate media gives one particular candidates hundreds of millions worth of coverage and advertisement

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lilORANG
05/12/20 8:27:26 AM
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He utterly annihilated Paul Ryan. But he has gotten a bit foggier since then.
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alimajor
05/12/20 8:31:20 AM
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bevan306 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPOAKXBi9Pw

Jesus that was pretty savage lol
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VTBM
05/12/20 8:37:19 AM
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Doom_Art
05/12/20 8:55:48 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Biden wasn't favored among Hispanic voters by a long shot, but there was substantial evidence of voter suppression in Texas.
I mean I'd have to look into the Texas stuff but Hispanics are hardly the only minority group in the Democratic Party

Godnorgosh posted...
Hurr durr convincing the public is part of winning elections! Thanks for ignoring the substance of my point. One of the remaining candidates didn't have an entire apparatus behind him to do this, the other did.
Bernie made and spent more money than Bidens campaign and has a pretty fervent and active base of support. He tends to get fairly consistently positive media attention from left wing sources

Our Revolution is also pretty darn big.

Folks like to forget that prior to South Carolina the media and a chunk of the party really wasn't that favorable towards Biden

From January onwards the narrative was that his campaign was imploding

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Obama and Reid to give Biden the advantage just before Super Tuesday which is a sign that no, this was not a "fair election"
Party consolidation isn't a new thing and it's not exclusive to this primary.

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iPhone_7
05/12/20 9:08:40 AM
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He just needs to stay away from telling personal stories because thats especially where he rambles on and mixes the details. No more corn pop or hairy legs.

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Garioshi
05/12/20 9:10:28 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Su1HaLprCg

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Shablagoo
05/12/20 9:13:59 AM
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Garioshi posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Su1HaLprCg

Why can he never just say the normal, easy thing that there is to say in just about any situation? Like here, why not go with kids should read books.

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scar the 1
05/12/20 9:31:35 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Folks like to forget that prior to South Carolina the media and a chunk of the party really wasn't that favorable towards Biden
Exactly, and then they all magically, simultaneously spun on a fucking dime for some reason

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COVxy
05/12/20 9:34:53 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Exactly, and then they all magically, simultaneously spun on a fucking dime for some reason

The reason being that it became clear than any notable success Bernie had in 2016 was predicated on running against a hated female politician. The writing was on the wall and media swings with the winner. It's not some big media conspiracy.

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Talk2DaHand
05/12/20 9:35:22 AM
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Don't forget to contribute and phone bank!

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NinjaWarrior455
05/12/20 9:36:45 AM
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Talk2DaHand
05/12/20 9:41:19 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Media was not pro-Sanders when he was leading, nor did media swing pro-Trump when it was clear he would win the election in 2016. Your idea of what determines favorable media coverage is a bit simplistic.

They actually doubled down on the vitriol and negative headlines. DNC primaries were rigged on every level.

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COVxy
05/12/20 9:41:25 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Media was not pro-Sanders when he was leading, nor did media swing pro-Trump when it was clear he would win the election in 2016. Your idea of what determines favorable media coverage is a bit simplistic.

Ehh, more like Sanders groups spend a lot of time picking and choosing media coverage that seems negative in order to drive outrage within the group.

Never seen so much "us vs. the world" delusion.

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1NfamousACE_2
05/12/20 9:42:37 AM
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Debates don't matter

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Talk2DaHand
05/12/20 9:44:12 AM
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COVxy posted...
Ehh, more like Sanders groups spend a lot of time picking and choosing media coverage that seems negative in order to drive outrage within the group.

Never seen so much "us vs. the world" delusion.

You don't have to spend time picking. A vast majority of their Bernie coverage was biased establishment-driven propaganda, if they covered him at all.

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scar the 1
05/12/20 9:46:39 AM
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COVxy posted...
The reason being that it became clear than any notable success Bernie had in 2016 was predicated on running against a hated female politician. The writing was on the wall and media swings with the winner. It's not some big media conspiracy.
It's not a conspiracy, it's just plain and simple that big corporate media don't want Bernie to win. Very blatantly. They'll have on "body language experts" to defame him, they'll call him sexist for rumors of him not believing a woman could be president. Meanwhile they'll bend over backwards to discredit Tara Reade and cover up much larger blemishes on Biden's part. Bernie bros were frequently brought up as a huge problem for the Bernie campaign, but no criticism of Bidenite rape apologists shows up.

For it to be a conspiracy, there would have had to be some secrecy about it.

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Talk2DaHand
05/12/20 9:48:40 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
It's not a conspiracy, it's just plain and simple that big corporate media don't want Bernie to win. Very blatantly. They'll have on "body language experts" to defame him, they'll call him sexist for rumors of him not believing a woman could be president. Meanwhile they'll bend over backwards to discredit Tara Reade and cover up much larger blemishes on Biden's part. Bernie bros were frequently brought up as a huge problem for the Bernie campaign, but no criticism of Bidenite rape apologists shows up.

For it to be a conspiracy, there would have had to be some secrecy about it.

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DezDroppedFreak
05/12/20 10:02:15 AM
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Only thing were missing is broseph and wed have the centrist slurper gang together again

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COVxy
05/12/20 10:08:43 AM
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Strange how the two people defending the delusion have latched onto the same single segment of 24 hour cable news.

This is just as coherent in the Trump bots that claim CNN is fake news because of the two scoop segment. Just completely driven by social media bubbles that share this stuff ad nauseum.

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Sotha_Sil
05/12/20 10:37:14 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Experience doing what?

Replace single part leader with single party committees, and then replace that with an AI
Uhhhhh lol. What a colossally awful idea

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SauI_Goodman
05/12/20 10:37:57 AM
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trump v biden is going to be either hilarious or very hard to understand. just a bunch of wah wah wah... wah wah wah wah charlie brown style.

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scar the 1
05/12/20 11:06:16 AM
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COVxy posted...
Strange how the two people defending the delusion have latched onto the same single segment of 24 hour cable news.

This is just as coherent in the Trump bots that claim CNN is fake news because of the two scoop segment. Just completely driven by social media bubbles that share this stuff ad nauseum.
Surely you can't think this is a very good dismissal

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COVxy
05/12/20 11:09:51 AM
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Shitty evidence doesn't need a very strong rebuttal.

"Here are these 10 events that got retweeted and shared amongst my in-group" is a pretty piss poor standard for evidence of bias. And it's not even as though these events are cut and dry (most are assumed to have the most negative interpretation, despite other circumstances being far more likely).

I guess the simplest thing to do would be to ask you, do you regularly watch cable news? Like, for all this certainty that cable news networks are out to get Bernie, you must have sampled the networks daily, right? Like, you watch CNN in the morning, each morning?

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ZMythos
05/12/20 11:13:32 AM
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I plan on voting for Biden in November, but to say he wasn't favored by the establishment is just plain untrue.

Sanders has influence over thousands of young voters, the DNC needs them to come out on Election day and vote if they want to win. Continuing to chide them isn't going to accomplish that.

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scar the 1
05/12/20 11:22:40 AM
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COVxy posted...
Shitty evidence doesn't need a very strong rebuttal.

"Here are these 10 events that got retweeted and shared amongst my in-group" is a pretty piss poor standard for evidence of bias. And it's not even as though these events are cut and dry (most are assumed to have the most negative interpretation, despite other circumstances being far more likely).

I guess the simplest thing to do would be to ask you, do you regularly watch cable news? Like, for all this certainty that cable news networks are out to get Bernie, you must have sampled the networks daily, right? Like, you watch CNN in the morning, each morning?
Are you saying that editorial decisions need to be randomly sampled to accurately be able to determine whether there's a bias or not? Of course I don't watch it daily. Does that somehow invalidate the fact that they're very openly against Bernie?

Do I need to similarly properly "sample" Fox to determine whether they support Trump or not?

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ZMythos
05/12/20 11:24:03 AM
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It's obvious that the Democrats' strategy is to court centrists and center-rights with their moderate milquetoast candidate rather than rally behind progressive reform. They're creating this illusion that the Obama Era was a time of prosperity rather than damage control from Bush and losing midterms/the Senate. It was one step forward after two steps back and they're pretending like America was in great shape back then.

They're betting that the voters to their left will fall in line because of how utterly disastrous the Trump Administration has been. Rather than challenge the institutions that brought Trump into the White House in the first place, they're going to point the finger at anyone who didn't vote for their moderate candidate.

But that gamble didn't work in 2016, so I guess we'll have to see what happens when they double down.

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