Current Events > 'Enormous evidence' coronavirus came from Chinese lab

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/mike-pompeo-donald-trump-coronavirus-chinese-laboratory

The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, claimed on Sunday there is enormous evidence the coronavirus outbreak originated in a Chinese laboratory but did not provide any of the alleged evidence.

Thoughts? Im personally still unsure of the lab thing but I still think it came from china

when someone doesn't provide any evidence after a massive claim, it should raise some questions on the validity of the claim

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I'll wait for a credible government to come to this conclusion. The US's take on it doesn't matter to anyone.

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Then by all means present it.
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Even if it were true, Pompeo shouldn't be saying it unless he has any sort of shareable intel.

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Lorthremar posted...

when someone doesn't provide any evidence after a massive claim, it should raise some questions on the validity of the claim

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i claim intelligent aliens exist.

at this point my claim has equal merits as his

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saddam had wmds

Until said evidence is provided or other countries start saying this, I'm going to assume this is just the usually pissing contest we've been having with China. Not that I don't doubt that it's possible, just that words have been said from both sides and evidence has been zero. It came from China, but did it come from a lab? I have my doubts, but crazier things have happened.
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Located right next to the evidence of Iraq's WMDs.

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Does it matter?

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I dont believe anything this administration says.

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Some people are saying it came from a US lab too

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Darker Cheshire posted...

Located right next to the evidence of Iraq's WMDs.

How could we forget that mountain of evidence.

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prove it. they need to shut the fuck up unless they can prove it. all this does now is rile up racist shit bags.

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The virus clearly escaped from Easter Island.

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dj1200 posted...

Does it matter?

You think it wouldn't matter if a country created a biological weapon that killed 250k people and counting and caused a global economic shutdown?

It's likely bullshit for all the reasons listed in this topic. But to pretend it wouldn't matter is just silly.

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Same shit I posted in the previous topic on this subject.
I don't have a problem with this in theory because just because something came from lab doesn't inherently imply anything nefarious. Governments and private entities study diseases, this is not a new concept. I'm more than willing to believe that someone was studying this thing and the system failed and it got out.

All it takes is someone getting sloppy. Human beings work in these labs and no system is perfect that involves people.
In 2014, as the FDA did cleanup for a planned move to a new office, hundreds of unclaimed vials of virus samples were found in a cardboard box in the corner of a cold storage room. Six of them, it turned out, were vials of smallpox. No one had been keeping track of them; no one knew they were there. They may have been there since the 1960s.
https://www.fda.gov/media/101811/download

The relevant info in the report
The security and inventory control of orphaned biological materials (material whose owner departed the lab, but did not properly remove, destroy, or transfer the material to a new owner) was not maintained.
...
FDA did not follow the CDC Select Agent Guidelines for the packaging and transfer of samples to a high containment facility for securing the materials.
...
FDA did not conduct a complete inventory of all of its laboratories and associated spaces when smallpox was eradicated in 1980 and all biological agents that cause smallpox were consolidated under the WHO Collaborating Centre repositories at the CDC. FDA also did not conduct a complete inventory when the Federal Select Agent Program was enacted in 2003.

https://thebulletin.org/2014/03/threatened-pandemics-and-laboratory-escapes-self-fulfilling-prophecies/

Again relevant info
"In 2007, FMD appeared again in Britain, four kilometers from a biosafety level 4 laboratorya designation indicating the highest level of lab securitylocated at Pirbright. The strain had caused a 1967 outbreak in the United Kingdom but was not then circulating in animals anywhere. It was, however, used in vaccine manufacture at the Pirbright facility. Investigations concluded that construction vehicles had carried mud contaminated with FMD from a defective wastewater line at Pirbright to the first farm. That outbreak identified 278 infected animals and required 1,578 animals to be culled. It disrupted UK agricultural production and exports and cost an estimated 200 million pounds."

SARS has not re-emerged naturally, but there have been six escapes from virology labs: one each in Singapore and Taiwan, and four separate escapes at the same laboratory in Beijing. (the article goes on detail each)

(In relation to a VEE outbreak in Venezuela and Colombia) Genomic analysis identified the 1995 virus as identical to a 1963 isolate, with no indication it had been circulating for 28 years. It was another case of frozen evolution, but unlike the vaccine-related VEE outbreaks, the 1963 virus had never been used in a vaccine. Suspicion fell on an inadvertent release from a virology lab, either by an unrecognized infection of a lab worker or visitor, or escape of an infected laboratory animal or mosquito. The major scientific group working on VEE published a paper in 2001 stating the 1995 outbreak most likely was a laboratory escape, with considerable circumstantial evidence: The outbreak strain was isolated from an incompletely inactivated antigen preparation used on the open bench in the VEE laboratory located at the outbreak epicenter. But clear proof was lacking, and the group subsequently said it was reconsidering this conclusion.

It also details multiple smallpox outbreaks in Great Britain where it escaped from Labs, and the 1977 H1N1 pandemic where it's been determined that it escaped from a lab. Greater detail on that is gone into here.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011184

In short, these labs are not what we would like them to be safety wise, especially the Chinese and British ones apparently.

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ncsonic posted...

Some people are saying it came from a US lab too

Yeah the Chinese government, about the only source even less trustworthy than the Trump administration.

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I Like Toast posted...

You think it wouldn't matter if a country created a biological weapon that killed 250k people and counting and caused a global economic shutdown?

It's likely bullshit for all the reasons listed in this topic. But to pretend it wouldn't matter is just silly.

No one remotely credible thinks it is a biological weapon. They think poor lab safety may have caused a natural virus being studied to accidentally leak out.

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This was not lab made.

You might a well say it originated in Harlem, New York, and was designed by Black militants looking to get back at White America for centuries of oppression. That accusation would be just as unfounded and no less racist.

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ssjevot posted...

No one remotely credible thinks it is a biological weapon. They think poor lab safety may have caused a natural virus being studied to accidentally leak out.

Don't bother with Toast. He's a contrarian troll.

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ssjevot posted...

No one remotely credible thinks it is a biological weapon

I Like Toast posted...

It's likely bullshit for all the reasons listed in this topic

It was a 2 paragraph post and that still was asking too much of you.

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I Like Toast posted...

It was a 2 paragraph post and that still was asking too much of you.

You are the only one who suggested it was a biological weapon. Neither the original post nor the one you responded to claimed it was.

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bigger question is whether it was intentional or accidental.
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Wet market or lab

More propaganda to counter Chinese propaganda.


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ssjevot posted...

You are the only one who suggested it was a biological weapon. Neither the original post nor the one you responded to claimed it was.

The only claim is from a chinese lab. With no indication of it being military, civilian, research, or anything else and again.

I Like Toast posted...

It's likely bullshit for all the reasons listed in this topic

So I'm already aware it's not what happened and your panties are still bunched up because you couldn't finish reading and now you've dug in to your ignorance.

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guys, i have ENORMOUS evidence that SBALLEN HIMSELF created the virus. in fact, it was a collaboration between HIM AND GAMESPOT ADMIN

anyway im not going to show you the evidence. good night!

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https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/intelligence-report-says-china-lied-about-origin-of-coronavirus/

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Same shit I posted in the previous topic on this subject.
I don't have a problem with this in theory because just because something came from lab doesn't inherently imply anything nefarious. Governments and private entities study diseases, this is not a new concept. I'm more than willing to believe that someone was studying this thing and the system failed and it got out.

All it takes is someone getting sloppy. Human beings work in these labs and no system is perfect that involves people.
In 2014, as the FDA did cleanup for a planned move to a new office, hundreds of unclaimed vials of virus samples were found in a cardboard box in the corner of a cold storage room. Six of them, it turned out, were vials of smallpox. No one had been keeping track of them; no one knew they were there. They may have been there since the 1960s.
https://www.fda.gov/media/101811/download

The relevant info in the report
The security and inventory control of orphaned biological materials (material whose owner departed the lab, but did not properly remove, destroy, or transfer the material to a new owner) was not maintained.
...
FDA did not follow the CDC Select Agent Guidelines for the packaging and transfer of samples to a high containment facility for securing the materials.
...
FDA did not conduct a complete inventory of all of its laboratories and associated spaces when smallpox was eradicated in 1980 and all biological agents that cause smallpox were consolidated under the WHO Collaborating Centre repositories at the CDC. FDA also did not conduct a complete inventory when the Federal Select Agent Program was enacted in 2003.

https://thebulletin.org/2014/03/threatened-pandemics-and-laboratory-escapes-self-fulfilling-prophecies/

Again relevant info
"In 2007, FMD appeared again in Britain, four kilometers from a biosafety level 4 laboratorya designation indicating the highest level of lab securitylocated at Pirbright. The strain had caused a 1967 outbreak in the United Kingdom but was not then circulating in animals anywhere. It was, however, used in vaccine manufacture at the Pirbright facility. Investigations concluded that construction vehicles had carried mud contaminated with FMD from a defective wastewater line at Pirbright to the first farm. That outbreak identified 278 infected animals and required 1,578 animals to be culled. It disrupted UK agricultural production and exports and cost an estimated 200 million pounds."

SARS has not re-emerged naturally, but there have been six escapes from virology labs: one each in Singapore and Taiwan, and four separate escapes at the same laboratory in Beijing. (the article goes on detail each)

(In relation to a VEE outbreak in Venezuela and Colombia) Genomic analysis identified the 1995 virus as identical to a 1963 isolate, with no indication it had been circulating for 28 years. It was another case of frozen evolution, but unlike the vaccine-related VEE outbreaks, the 1963 virus had never been used in a vaccine. Suspicion fell on an inadvertent release from a virology lab, either by an unrecognized infection of a lab worker or visitor, or escape of an infected laboratory animal or mosquito. The major scientific group working on VEE published a paper in 2001 stating the 1995 outbreak most likely was a laboratory escape, with considerable circumstantial evidence: The outbreak strain was isolated from an incompletely inactivated antigen preparation used on the open bench in the VEE laboratory located at the outbreak epicenter. But clear proof was lacking, and the group subsequently said it was reconsidering this conclusion.

It also details multiple smallpox outbreaks in Great Britain where it escaped from Labs, and the 1977 H1N1 pandemic where it's been determined that it escaped from a lab. Greater detail on that is gone into here.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011184

In short, these labs are not what we would like them to be safety wise, especially the Chinese and British ones apparently.

Don't forget the Pasteur Institute in France straight up lost 2000 vials that contained fragments of the SARS virus. Not dangerous on their own but it brings all of their procedures into question.

And it's exactly why WHO keeps telling countries they probably shouldn't be fucking with naturally-occurring influenza strains to see if they can make them infectious in humans.
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ssj don't pretend you know everything

A lot of people are saying it came from a US lab

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Same shit I posted in the previous topic on this subject.
I don't have a problem with this in theory because just because something came from lab doesn't inherently imply anything nefarious. Governments and private entities study diseases, this is not a new concept. I'm more than willing to believe that someone was studying this thing and the system failed and it got out.

All it takes is someone getting sloppy. Human beings work in these labs and no system is perfect that involves people.
In 2014, as the FDA did cleanup for a planned move to a new office, hundreds of unclaimed vials of virus samples were found in a cardboard box in the corner of a cold storage room. Six of them, it turned out, were vials of smallpox. No one had been keeping track of them; no one knew they were there. They may have been there since the 1960s.
https://www.fda.gov/media/101811/download

The relevant info in the report
The security and inventory control of orphaned biological materials (material whose owner departed the lab, but did not properly remove, destroy, or transfer the material to a new owner) was not maintained.
...
FDA did not follow the CDC Select Agent Guidelines for the packaging and transfer of samples to a high containment facility for securing the materials.
...
FDA did not conduct a complete inventory of all of its laboratories and associated spaces when smallpox was eradicated in 1980 and all biological agents that cause smallpox were consolidated under the WHO Collaborating Centre repositories at the CDC. FDA also did not conduct a complete inventory when the Federal Select Agent Program was enacted in 2003.

https://thebulletin.org/2014/03/threatened-pandemics-and-laboratory-escapes-self-fulfilling-prophecies/

Again relevant info
"In 2007, FMD appeared again in Britain, four kilometers from a biosafety level 4 laboratorya designation indicating the highest level of lab securitylocated at Pirbright. The strain had caused a 1967 outbreak in the United Kingdom but was not then circulating in animals anywhere. It was, however, used in vaccine manufacture at the Pirbright facility. Investigations concluded that construction vehicles had carried mud contaminated with FMD from a defective wastewater line at Pirbright to the first farm. That outbreak identified 278 infected animals and required 1,578 animals to be culled. It disrupted UK agricultural production and exports and cost an estimated 200 million pounds."

SARS has not re-emerged naturally, but there have been six escapes from virology labs: one each in Singapore and Taiwan, and four separate escapes at the same laboratory in Beijing. (the article goes on detail each)

(In relation to a VEE outbreak in Venezuela and Colombia) Genomic analysis identified the 1995 virus as identical to a 1963 isolate, with no indication it had been circulating for 28 years. It was another case of frozen evolution, but unlike the vaccine-related VEE outbreaks, the 1963 virus had never been used in a vaccine. Suspicion fell on an inadvertent release from a virology lab, either by an unrecognized infection of a lab worker or visitor, or escape of an infected laboratory animal or mosquito. The major scientific group working on VEE published a paper in 2001 stating the 1995 outbreak most likely was a laboratory escape, with considerable circumstantial evidence: The outbreak strain was isolated from an incompletely inactivated antigen preparation used on the open bench in the VEE laboratory located at the outbreak epicenter. But clear proof was lacking, and the group subsequently said it was reconsidering this conclusion.

It also details multiple smallpox outbreaks in Great Britain where it escaped from Labs, and the 1977 H1N1 pandemic where it's been determined that it escaped from a lab. Greater detail on that is gone into here.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011184

In short, these labs are not what we would like them to be safety wise, especially the Chinese and British ones apparently.

quality post

A lot of people just jump to the conclusion if it came from a lab it is automatically an engineered bioweapon and thats just not the case

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ncsonic posted...

ssj don't pretend you know everything

A lot of people are saying it came from a US lab

Lol, a lot of people who support the CCP? Imagine believing conspiracy theories and thinking you are in a place to question others' knowledge. Classic Trump logic too with the "a lot of people are saying" line.

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ncsonic posted...

A lot of people are saying it came from a US lab

Then they're being fooled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) propaganda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg7FwHteB0I

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im not quite buying that it was made in any lab. i have no doubt there are secret government/military labs in many countries, especially china and the US, researching deadly viruses and how to apply them in warfare but they wont be so incompetent as leak the virus and cause a pandemic like this. and if this virus was indeed made in a lab it is quite a shit virus

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Rika_Furude posted...

im not quite buying that it was made in any lab. i have no doubt there are secret government/military labs in many countries, especially china and the US, researching deadly viruses and how to apply them in warfare but they wont be so incompetent as leak the virus and cause a pandemic like this.

I'm pretty sure they were just doing research on it and incompetence led to it breaking out of the lab and spreading.

That in itself happens every now and then.

The issue is how the CCP decides to handle the situation.

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Rika_Furude posted...

im not quite buying that it was made in any lab. i have no doubt there are secret government/military labs in many countries, especially china and the US, researching deadly viruses and how to apply them in warfare but they wont be so incompetent as leak the virus and cause a pandemic like this. and if this virus was indeed made in a lab it is quite a shit virus

None of the people who research viruses think it was made in a lab period. It has no signs of being manufactured. People (including many officials and people in the media) keep getting confused by what experts mean when they say it may have leaked from the lab (most still think it originated in the wet market). What they mean is when studying natural viruses in a lab, due to poor safety procedures it may have accidentally leaked out.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

I'm pretty sure they were just doing research on it and incompetence led to it breaking out of the lab and spreading.

That in itself happens every now and then.

The issue is how the CCP decides to handle the situation.

The issue is that knowledge of this pandemic happening through lab safety negligence would create a huge backlash to the research being done in these labs. They dont want this in the public discussion


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Seems like an incredibly dangerous and stupid thing to lie about, so you know this administration is lying about it.
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solosnake posted...

The issue is that knowledge of this pandemic happening through lab safety negligence would create a huge backlash to the research being done in these labs. They dont want this in the public discussion

Tell that to China, the concept of OSHA is alien to them.

Just google up China and exploding products.

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solosnake posted...

The issue is that knowledge of this pandemic happening through lab safety negligence would create a huge backlash to the research being done in these labs. They dont want this in the public discussion

I have no problem with any lab researching this but it should probably be in the public domain and whatever safety protocols that were in place were obviously not enough so there needs to be better.

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Darker Cheshire posted...

Located right next to the evidence of Iraq's WMDs.

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I was right all along

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one, pompeo is full of shit

two, it wouldnt change the fact that its devastating impact in the US is completely the whs fault

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BudDupree48 posted...

I was right all along

No you weren't.

Any time this administration says there is "enormous evidence" of something and they don't offer it up, they are lying. Just like when Trump says "many people are saying", it means literally no one is saying that. The same with "nobody knew how complicated this was", where every single person knew exactly how complicated it was.

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yo stop following me

I did tho. Knew there was something else up coming from China

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Given every other official in America seems to be saying otherwise, including intelligence agencies...

Can I say "WMDs?"

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