Current Events > 17 intelligence agencies believe that the virus was from wuhan

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https://mobile.twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1256576858923073539

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1256623482647072771

that it was released by mistake but they still dont see anywhere else it could have came from.

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I'm not going to jump off the deep end in automatically thinking a virus was being studied in a lab for nefarious purposes.

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I dunno man. I stopped believing this shit wasn't just strategic awhile ago. I don't see a world where these people put the truth over some strategic play. It's just not how shit works anywhere else, so why here?

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How many total intelligence agencies are there?

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So according to those tweets, not all 17 agree? C'mon man.

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Rumor months ago was that there was one worker in the lab that was experimenting with bats and he got bitten and urinated on by one. Another is that there was an intern that spilled a vial and then just cleaned it up and he/she got infected.

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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1249046469618864131

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I don't have a problem with this in theory because just because something came from lab doesn't inherently imply anything nefarious. Governments and private entities study diseases, this is not a new concept. I'm more than willing to believe that someone was studying this thing and the system failed and it got out.

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i'll take anything from fox with the mountain sized grain of salt it deserves, but if this is true its going to start a world war. the amount of funding and control in a facility that does research like this doesn't really allow for an 'accidental release'.

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World war 3: China against the world. You thought the world wars were done, but now an evil scientist in China is developing evil viruses to extract gorilla warefare on the innocent nations of the earth. Italy was mad, the Germany was even madder and the United States decided it wasn't going to be left out. Next summers Eve, the war to kill all wars starts, at a theater near you.

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monkmith posted...

i'll take anything from fox with the mountain sized grain of salt it deserves, but if this is true its going to start a world war. the amount of funding and control in a facility that does research like this doesn't really allow for an 'accidental release'.

The fuck it doesn't. All it takes is someone getting sloppy. Human beings work in these labs and no system is perfect that involves people.
In 2014, as the FDA did cleanup for a planned move to a new office, hundreds of unclaimed vials of virus samples were found in a cardboard box in the corner of a cold storage room. Six of them, it turned out, were vials of smallpox. No one had been keeping track of them; no one knew they were there. They may have been there since the 1960s.
https://www.fda.gov/media/101811/download

The relevant info in the report
The security and inventory control of orphaned biological materials (material whose owner departed the lab, but did not properly remove, destroy, or transfer the material to a new owner) was not maintained.
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FDA did not follow the CDC Select Agent Guidelines for the packaging and transfer of samples to a high containment facility for securing the materials.
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FDA did not conduct a complete inventory of all of its laboratories and associated spaces when smallpox was eradicated in 1980 and all biological agents that cause smallpox were consolidated under the WHO Collaborating Centre repositories at the CDC. FDA also did not conduct a complete inventory when the Federal Select Agent Program was enacted in 2003.


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ScazarMeltex posted...

The fuck it doesn't. All it takes is someone getting sloppy. Human beings work in these labs and no system is perfect that involves people.

in a high level biolab you go through half a dozen checkpoints to get to the area where they let you push your hands into the thick rubber gloves and work with samples behind a fume hood.

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monkmith posted...

in a high level biolab you go through half a dozen checkpoints to get to the area where they let you push your hands into the thick rubber gloves and work with samples behind a fume hood.

And yet
https://thebulletin.org/2014/03/threatened-pandemics-and-laboratory-escapes-self-fulfilling-prophecies/

Again relevant info
"In 2007, FMD appeared again in Britain, four kilometers from a biosafety level 4 laboratorya designation indicating the highest level of lab securitylocated at Pirbright. The strain had caused a 1967 outbreak in the United Kingdom but was not then circulating in animals anywhere. It was, however, used in vaccine manufacture at the Pirbright facility. Investigations concluded that construction vehicles had carried mud contaminated with FMD from a defective wastewater line at Pirbright to the first farm. That outbreak identified 278 infected animals and required 1,578 animals to be culled. It disrupted UK agricultural production and exports and cost an estimated 200 million pounds."

SARS has not re-emerged naturally, but there have been six escapes from virology labs: one each in Singapore and Taiwan, and four separate escapes at the same laboratory in Beijing. (the article goes on detail each)

(In relation to a VEE outbreak in Venezuela and Colombia) Genomic analysis identified the 1995 virus as identical to a 1963 isolate, with no indication it had been circulating for 28 years. It was another case of frozen evolution, but unlike the vaccine-related VEE outbreaks, the 1963 virus had never been used in a vaccine. Suspicion fell on an inadvertent release from a virology lab, either by an unrecognized infection of a lab worker or visitor, or escape of an infected laboratory animal or mosquito. The major scientific group working on VEE published a paper in 2001 stating the 1995 outbreak most likely was a laboratory escape, with considerable circumstantial evidence: The outbreak strain was isolated from an incompletely inactivated antigen preparation used on the open bench in the VEE laboratory located at the outbreak epicenter. But clear proof was lacking, and the group subsequently said it was reconsidering this conclusion.

It also details multiple smallpox outbreaks in Great Britain where it escaped from Labs, and the 1977 H1N1 pandemic where it's been determined that it escaped from a lab. Greater detail on that is gone into here.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011184

In short, these labs are not what we would like them to be safety wise and pretending otherwise for the purpose of blaming a single entity is absurd.

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There is zero conclusive evidence of where Covid-19 has officially originated, but if it was from the Wuhan lab I wouldnt be surprised.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/us-officials-raised-alarms-about-safety-issues-in-wuhan-lab-report-2020-4%3famp

US officials raised concerns about safety at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2018, two years before the novel coronavirus outbreak.

According to The Post, a cable dated January 19, 2018, said that "during interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory."

The Post said that diplomats and scientists were particularly worried about the safety of the lab's research on the transmission of bat coronaviruses and warned that sloppy safety protocols for handling contagious viruses in the lab "represented a risk of a new SARS-like pandemic."

monkmith posted...

in a high level biolab you go through half a dozen checkpoints to get to the area where they let you push your hands into the thick rubber gloves and work with samples behind a fume hood.

This is my viewpoint of it. I don't see how it couldn't have been intentional. But it's China, so who the fuck knows if everything is up to code.

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Unless there's an actual report of an incident, there's likely no way anyone could know. This story is likely being pushed heavily by the current administration to provide an external source to blame so that people are distracted by the clusterfuck that is the US.

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monkmith posted...

in a high level biolab you go through half a dozen checkpoints to get to the area where they let you push your hands into the thick rubber gloves and work with samples behind a fume hood.

Did you just purposefully ignore the fuckload of examples posted proving that these arent foolproof?

people who think this was intentionally released are the dumbest fucking people on the planet my god

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In fairness to the mods, I only got a NKL moderation when I mentioned this theory. If I had waited a bit longer to contest the moderation it might have been overturned.

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R1masher posted...

How many total intelligence agencies are there?

@R1masher Technically 16, with the head being the Office of the Director of National Intelligence which is a separate agency.

Also it's just a weird statement to make here since I doubt the DoE and Treasury Departments were actively engaged in investigating this rofl.

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