Current Events > What exactly is the endgame for the lockdowns?

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The lockdowns were never intended to be "till there's a vaccine". The point of the lockdown was to "flatten the curve" to ensure hospitals don't get overwhelmed. The same number of people are going to be infected eventually, until enough people have gotten it to have herd immunity.

The goal of the lockdown was to spread that number of infections out over a longer period of time so that the hospitals could keep up.

Everyone has seemingly forgotten that and nobody has the guts to say it. The curve has been flattened. It's time to reopen. Yes there will be more infections, there's going to be infections of this shit for years until there's a vaccine, that's how viruses work.

Nobody wants to deal with that reality. We are literally hiding in our homes from reality. There isn't going to be a vaccine for months if not years, there's no other option than reopening and facing things.

Opening up would result in the sort of sharp spike these lockdowns were meant to prevent.
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Antifar posted...

Opening up would result in the sort of sharp spike these lockdowns were meant to prevent.

This spike is going to happen eventually. There is no avoiding it, that's my whole point. When you reopen, there's going to be a spike. You're postponing it, you're not eliminating it.

It's always been to prevent overwhelming the medical infrastructure. We're nowhere near at that time yet. Yes, the curve has been flattened but right now hospitals would still be overwhelmed. We can't erase our progress now.

UAZaqwert posted...

Everyone has seemingly forgotten that and nobody has the guts to say it.

Are you not aware of the mortality rate?

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To slowly ease us into a much more long term controlled locked down that's more reasonable while we wait for a cure
The immediate forcing of a lockdown was to reduce the infection rates

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The mortality rate is irrelevant. Whether it's super low or super high, you can't hide from it. SHutting down the world for months and months is not an option, we can't pretend like it is.

I ask again, what is the endgame? There has to be an endgame.

You don't open up right when the curve flattens, that has been explained since the very beginning. Some places are fucking peaking right now. This is a large country, not everyone was going to peak at fucking once. The idea was never to wait until we see the curve and then open shit up, because that causes another spike. Jesus, don't act like you know what you are talking about.

The curve has not been flattened. In fact, this process of flattening is taking far longer than health experts expected due to the stupidity of the American people.

UAZaqwert posted...

The mortality rate is irrelevant. Whether it's super low or super high, you can't hide from it. SHutting down the world for months and months is not an option, we can't pretend like it is.

I ask again, what is the endgame? There has to be an endgame.

Who said months and months? It's been a fucking month. People like you act like we've been shelled up for years. It's been weeks. The end game is to wait until we flatten the curve enough and see a decline, and then open up. Just like every other country that is now open.

UAZaqwert posted...

The mortality rate is irrelevant.

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Sewage posted...

You don't open up right when the curve flattens, that has been explained since the very beginning. Some places are fucking peaking right now. This is a large country, not everyone was going to peak at fucking once. The idea was never to wait until we see the curve and then open shit up, because that causes another spike. Jesus, don't act like you know what you are talking about.

We dont open up when it flattens ?
Ok but we also dont open when it spikes ?
When tf do we open then

gamer man posted...

We dont open up when it flattens ?
Ok but we also dont open when it spikes ?
When tf do we open then

If the US was actually doing testing, we could figure out the areas that are safe to re-open.

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UAZaqwert posted...

The curve has been flattened

Has it?

Most people still don't have immunity, and our testing is not available to most people.

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UAZaqwert posted...

There has to be an endgame.

lmao no there doesn't.
welcome to life. where things are unknown, unpredictable, and take a lot of time to figure out.

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I think the point is to wait until we have a plan in place and better prepared with enough PPE to "safely" reopen.

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Squall28 posted...

Has it?

Most people still don't have immunity, and our testing is not available to most people.

Objectively and statistically, the curve has not been flattened at all. He is spouting bs.

https://covidactnow.org/

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UAZaqwert posted...

The mortality rate is irrelevant. Whether it's super low or super high, you can't hide from it. SHutting down the world for months and months is not an option, we can't pretend like it is.

I ask again, what is the endgame? There has to be an endgame.

The endgame is all decisions made about the issue are made by people in power who in that given moment make the decision based on their best interests.


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The end game is to crash the economy,which they found the perfect scapegoat to blame it on.

With that,governments would be begged by people to save them from the whole situation and become big brother.

The 5G that's to be implemented will be used to track everyone with mass surveillance,like China's government is doing to their citizens.

Orwell's 1984 would become reality.

My opinion so feel free to agree or disagree.

One of the scenario's listed,Lock Step looks similar to what already happen and may,while the date is off,most of it seems to be predictive with a few things different.

http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf

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You wait until the curve stays consistently flat and when methods to deal with the infected are stable, then you slowly reopen while monitoring the sitiation very carefully.

shockthemonkey posted...

Another hot take from someone who doesnt understand or even think about what theyre saying but is definitely ok with people dying preventable deaths. Fuck. Im so god damn sick of people like this.

The best course of action at this point is once the curve flattens for a given area, reopen the area with guidelines, and those at high risk are advised to engage in contact at their own risk.

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Dragonblade01 posted...

You wait until the curve stays consistently flat and when methods to deal with the infected are stable, then you slowly reopen while monitoring the sitiation very carefully.

This. I just don't understand why staying at home is so difficult for some people.

uwa ej posted...

This. I just don't understand why staying at home is so difficult for some people.

I'm pretty positive 99% of the people complaining about the lockdown barely left their house as is.

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uwa ej posted...

I just don't understand why staying at home is so difficult for some people.

You don realize many people can't work right now and thus can't earn money to pay their bills?

Many small, family owned businesses could go bankrupt very soon. Not everyone has piles of money in the bank or works for a big company.

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Hornezz posted...

so true

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uwa ej posted...

This. I just don't understand why staying at home is so difficult for some people.

to paraphrase myself, not everyone finds joy in a life in front of a TV or smartphone binging TV or shitposting. Some of us could live in a 3 x 8 room if it had a bed and wifi, but others would go mad.

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*deaths and new cases still increasing*

the curve is flattening!

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The goal is to eradicate the virus. Nobody can be allowed outside until we have at least two weeks of no new infections.

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The curve is nowhere near flat and its nowhere near time to open up. We need at least three more weeks before we even talk about opening the country back up.

our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the economy. I really dont care if my lack of hard work causes a billionaire to gain slightly less profit. Its about me and my family and the people around me; not some elite, rich CEO who wants more money.

uwa ej posted...

I just don't understand why staying at home is so difficult for some people.

An abrupt change in lifestyle is always going to be difficult. I don't understand what there's not to get?

That said, people should still endure it (for now, at least).

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Payzmaykr posted...

I really dont care if my lack of hard work causes a billionaire to gain slightly less profit.

Billionaires aren't the issue. The issue is the lady who works at the nail salon and it's closed and she can't work and thus can't pay her bills. The issue is with the mom and pop store that has no income for months and months.

Do people not grasp that a lot of lower and middle class people are going to be crushed by these lockdowns? Far worse than the billionaires.

WalMart won't go under, mom and pop stores will.

The government just needs to give everyone a one time payment of $100k to get them through this crisis.

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lightwarrior78 posted...

to paraphrase myself, not everyone finds joy in a life in front of a TV or smartphone binging TV or shitposting. Some of us could live in a 3 x 8 room if it had a bed and wifi, but others would go mad.

You can go outside. Back yard, take a walk. Just dont gather in large groups. I am not sure why people can't even bother to try to stay alive.

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Thank you for the old and shitty point, 2014 alt

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UAZaqwert posted...

Billionaires aren't the issue. The issue is the lady who works at the nail salon and it's closed and she can't work and thus can't pay her bills. The issue is with the mom and pop store that has no income for months and months.

Do people not grasp that a lot of lower and middle class people are going to be crushed by these lockdowns? Far worse than the billionaires.

WalMart won't go under, mom and pop stores will.

they're going to go under either way, because no one is going to go out and get their fucking nails done...

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The endgame is martial law, communism, facism, people losing literally all of their rights and freedoms and real life literally turning into 1984... according to donald supporters at least. I'm not sure if that's valid though, because according to 1984, we've always been at war with East Asia, which means that we would be now, and when I Google it, I can't find any articles about any current war with East Asia.

UAZaqwert posted...

The mortality rate is irrelevant. Whether it's super low or super high, you can't hide from it. SHutting down the world for months and months is not an option, we can't pretend like it is.

I ask again, what is the endgame? There has to be an endgame.

It hasn't been "months and months".

And you're wrong, that is an option, and it's the way we are going to go, especially since red states seem determined to make this take as long as possible.

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Why are you asking us when your local government has likely set guidelines. The general idea is to limit infection to the point where available resources and tracking can handle localized outbreaks and isolations. Were still in the beginning stages of flattening the curve. Predictions currently point to a seasonal curve with the virus returning in force in the winter, and we need to be prepared to handle it in an intelligent more focused way so that we arent shutting everything down again to spare hospitals from getting overwhelmed.

So accept it or stfu, this information and plan of action at this point is common knowledge. Smarter and more experienced people than anyone here have laid this all out for you, and thinly veiling complaints as confusion make you look like a Trump supporting nincompoop.

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LightHawKnight posted...

You can go outside. Back yard, take a walk. Just dont gather in large groups. I am not sure why people can't even bother to try to stay alive.

What about people that like and thrive on live socialization? I'm an introvert arguing the other side here, but "stay away form people" to them is as torturous to them as "go socialize" is to me.

It's not difficult. It's jsut accepting that people are different and need and value different things. It's a lesson in children's cartoons going back generations.

EDIT: and for those wanting to argue this, I propose a challenge: No entertainment internet (online shopping for food or paying bills is okay), no video games, no posting to or reading social media, no streaming anything but basic news, just you in your living area surviving, and do this for at least 2 weeks. See if your "life at all costs" holds up when it's your dopamine hits and hobbies that are taken away from you.

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UAZaqwert posted...

You don realize many people can't work right now and thus can't earn money to pay their bills?

Many small, family owned businesses could go bankrupt very soon. Not everyone has piles of money in the bank or works for a big company.

Guess what? You live in a new world now where public heath takes precedence over your money and ability to make it, small businesses, etc. Literally all secondary concerns right now.

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Mr Hangman posted...

This chart is way wrong. Quarantine measures reduce and delay the peak infection count and also delays the end of the disease spread, while the total number of cases is the same or only marginally reduced. This shows the no-action peak being later and the total number of infections being impossibly higher.

It says new cases on the y-axis, not total cases.

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