Current Events > Time to declare California a failed state and be done with it

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Bass_X0
04/22/20 2:50:39 AM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1252421854150537217

Under California's new $0 cash bail rules, child abusers are now eligible for immediate release. San Bernardino County Sheriff @sheriffmcmahon tells me he had to release a felony child abuse suspect /w priors for domestic violence & child abuse immediately after arrest.

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Monolith1676
04/22/20 3:04:16 AM
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Gavin Newsom got what he wanted. California Democrats will always go against the will of the people one way or another.

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SomeLikeItHoth
04/22/20 3:05:26 AM
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Joke state and clown governor. He wants to give $125 million to illegal immigrants.

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IMNOTRAGED
04/22/20 3:13:51 AM
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The bail-reduction order took effect on Monday and applies to those accused of all misdemeanors and some felonies, except for violent felonies, offenses involving domestic violence or stalking, driving under the influence and offenses requiring sex offender registration.


Doesn't sound like they should've been released to me

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Irony
04/22/20 3:14:13 AM
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California Democrats are as bad as Republicans

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Samurontai
04/22/20 3:36:43 AM
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645AR
04/22/20 3:42:27 AM
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something isn't adding up here
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Smashingpmkns
04/22/20 3:45:17 AM
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Not so fun fact: child abusers and child traffickers often have a lower bail than drug offenders, DUIs, and a ton of other misdemeanors. Even repeat ones.
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Monolith1676
04/22/20 4:27:40 AM
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Samurontai posted...
Released released, or released on bail?

@Samurontai There is no bail. As soon as they are booked they are released.

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Blue_Dream87
04/22/20 6:17:54 AM
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Keep being jelly

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yutterh
04/22/20 6:20:56 AM
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Seems like they need to change the bailout for child abusers. By making them not eligible for bail.

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dj1200
04/22/20 6:29:02 AM
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Thats strange. But I love California

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glitteringfairy
04/22/20 6:30:32 AM
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dj1200 posted...
Thats strange. But I love California
I'm sure you do

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Samurontai
04/22/20 9:38:24 PM
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Monolith1676 posted...
@Samurontai There is no bail. As soon as they are booked they are released.

Well thats stupid

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Trigg3rH4ppy
04/22/20 9:40:41 PM
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IMNOTRAGED posted...
Doesn't sound like they should've been released to me
That's ok, everyone ignore the facts and be outraged

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KiwiTerraRizing
04/22/20 9:44:45 PM
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Good, bail should be abolished.

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The23rdMagus
04/22/20 9:45:48 PM
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Samurontai posted...
Released released, or released on bail?
Technically released on bail, as in they're still required to attend their trial. (It's not like the charges are dropped.) There just isn't collateral involved.

Here's some context minus the hand-wringing:

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/642795284/california-becomes-first-state-to-end-cash-bail

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uwnim
04/22/20 9:46:39 PM
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Samurontai posted...
Well thats stupid
It is release on bail, just the bail is set to 0. You will still be tried. You can still go to jail. You just aren't being illegally imprisoned before being found guilty of a crime.

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Ooooooranges
04/22/20 9:55:08 PM
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Cash bail is an awful system. California is handling COVID better than pretty much any other state. Other states should follow their examples.

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vigorm0rtis
04/22/20 9:59:11 PM
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At least Cali's financially solvent.

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TheGoldenEel
04/22/20 9:59:46 PM
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california Is right to abolish cash bail

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HiddenRoar
04/22/20 10:00:50 PM
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Ooooooranges posted...
Cash bail is an awful system. California is handling COVID better than pretty much any other state. Other states should follow their examples.

4th or 5th most infected in the country.

I don't think so, pal.
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Questionmarktarius
04/22/20 10:01:08 PM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
He wants to give $125 million to illegal immigrants.
Nothing really stops a state from doing so, nor should there be apart from the state itself.
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The23rdMagus
04/22/20 10:02:23 PM
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HiddenRoar posted...
4th or 5th most infected in the country.

I don't think so, pal.
I wonder if that has anything to do with population density, or is that a factor?

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MaxEffingBemis
04/22/20 10:03:20 PM
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HiddenRoar posted...
4th or 5th most infected in the country.

I don't think so, pal.
I mean, its also the most populated isnt it?

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lightwarrior78
04/22/20 10:06:42 PM
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Wonder how many trials are going to be skipped in the near future. Bail is one part way to make sure people show up to trial and one part legal loophole to deny release to flight risks. I get it's a system that hurts people that can't make it when they need it, but I don't think the full consequences were thought through by adults concerned with serious criminals rather than people that got caught on some dumb drunk prank.

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Monolith1676
04/25/20 5:57:59 AM
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Certain crimes are going to steadily increase now.

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Questionmarktarius
04/25/20 7:01:37 PM
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May as well shit this up with a "hot take":
Cash bail, fines, and court fees need to be abolished.

Either a crime is worth incarceration, if even for a few hours or a weekend, or it's not worth even criminalizing. Once the bullshit crimes are no longer junking up court dockets, actual serious offenses can go to trial and be resolved much quicker.
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