Current Events > Man who served 44 years in prison dies from corona weeks before his release.

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Lmfao

Bananana posted...

If someone in my family was killed by a 16-year old, and they were able to be rehabilitated, you bet your ass Id prefer that over life in prison.

lmfao your family deserves better. If my wife was robbed and murdered or my parents were. I would never sleep a comfortable night in my life again.

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Harpie posted...

He was 16 years old

Theres no way he deserved life in prison for a crime he committed when he was 16. He shouldve been charged as a minor and get rehabilitation not prison.

A life for a life

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darkprince45 posted...

Lmfao

lmfao your family deserves better. If my wife was robbed and murdered or my parents were. I would never sleep a comfortable night in my life again.

Im glad to hear you have no rebuttal. I hope you enjoy the rest of your life of trying to avoid fixing problems in society by just getting them out of sight.

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One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is that Mr. Garrison actually refused parole earlier this year, saying he wanted to serve out his sentence.

Strikes me as a penitent thing to do.

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CyricZ posted...

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is that Mr. Garrison actually refused parole earlier this year, saying he wanted to serve out his sentence.

Strikes me as a penitent thing to do.

um because he didnt want parole? Just means he didnt want to risk getting in trouble again and going right back. Its not honorable. Its the easy way out

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Bananana posted...

Nothing is. Not a single thing. What the fuck are we gonna do about that? Our options are A) the victim suffers and another young life is thrown away or B) the victim suffers and a young life is (hopefully) salvaged.

There is no moral high ground in punishment for punishments sake. If someone in my family was killed by a 16-year old, and they were able to be rehabilitated, you bet your ass Id prefer that over life in prison.

Cuck mindset here

OgesMC posted...

Tell that to the family of the person this bastard murdered.

darkprince45 posted...

Tell that to that persons loved ones. You think the parents of sandy hook are ok now? Time has passed. Thats ridiculous

yall both posted the same ridiculous appeal to emotion at the same time
like how cookie cutter are the minds on this board
arguing with a fucking scientific fact.

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rikasa posted...

yall both posted the same ridiculous appeal to emotion at the same time
like how cookie cutter are the minds on this board
arguing with a fucking scientific fact.

So if it was somebody you knew who got murdered, youd remain perfectly objective, right?

rikasa posted...

yall both posted the same ridiculous appeal to emotion at the same time
like how cookie cutter are the minds on this board
arguing with a fucking scientific fact.

Isn't it more likely that it is one person posting with two different accounts?

Damn, I feel for the dude and his family.

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So crazy to think of the damage killing somebody could do. Must be alts! Reeks of suburban white priv in here

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Kensaimage posted...

So if it was somebody you knew who got murdered, youd remain perfectly objective, right?

the fucking MINDS on this board.

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Lol I mean as mistakes go, age doesn't really matter. Ruining life is a thing regardless of murder. What makes a murderer suddenly free from the obligations that we're all following? You make as big a mistake as murder, your life is over, simple as that. He doesn't get any sympathy from me.

Also consider the kind of life that the person he killed would've lived without him. Eye for an eye

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Sentence as an adult at 16, if thats not the definition of cruel and unusual punishment I dont know what is, America has the most broken justice system in the world.

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rikasa posted...

the fucking MINDS on this board.

be careful not to fall off that high horse TC, might break your neck.

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Bananana posted...

It sickens me to live in a country where the reaction to a 16-year old committing such a heinous act is lock him up forever rather than lets see why such a young person is so fucked up and try to salvage their humanity.

It depends on what kind of punishment and retribution we allow.

twitterfriends posted...

Sentence as an adult at 16, if thats not the definition of cruel and unusual punishment I dont know what is, America has the most broken justice system in the world.

I think 16 is plenty old enough to know murder is bad, but maybe I'm out of touch and 16 year olds actually have single digit IQs

legendarylemur posted...

Lol I mean as mistakes go, age doesn't really matter. Ruining life is a thing regardless of murder. What makes a murderer suddenly free from the obligations that we're all following? You make as big a mistake as murder, your life is over, simple as that. He doesn't get any sympathy from me.

Also consider the kind of life that the person he killed would've lived without him. Eye for an eye

An eye for an eye makes the world blind, its a Chinese proverb but countries like Japan and Korean live by these values and their societies thrive in being peaceful societies.


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legendarylemur posted...

Lol I mean as mistakes go, age doesn't really matter. Ruining life is a thing regardless of murder. What makes a murderer suddenly free from the obligations that we're all following? You make as big a mistake as murder, your life is over, simple as that. He doesn't get any sympathy from me.

Also consider the kind of life that the person he killed would've lived without him. Eye for an eye

Every post along these lines amounts to I know this doesnt fix any problem, but more punishment! Its an incredible example of 3rd-grade level thought process.

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Btw I served on jury twice and I knew my decisions would give serious time to the guilty so I made for certain they were guilty as charged no way in hell would I have convicted a 16 year old on first degree murder for a burglary: read the definition of first degree murder

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SH_expert44 posted...

16 is plenty old enough to know that armed robbery and murder are EXTREMELY serious.

Agreed. I don't wish that this person was released earlier. I wish that they never committed the murder.. But they did, and I can't change that.

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twitterfriends posted...

Sentence as an adult at 16, if thats not the definition of cruel and unusual punishment I dont know what is, America has the most broken justice system in the world.

If murdering someone while trying to rob them isn't the definition of cruel and unusual punishment

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The American justice system will never be fixed so long as the people are willing to justify the cruel practices like they are in this topic. Just another day on CE

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Yes, how dare justice be served for a person who was robbed and murdered

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darkprince45 posted...

Yes, how dare justice be served for a person who was robbed and murdered

Justice

idk if a dog-kicker is the best person to be throwing around a concept like that

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He wanted to serve all his time. He didn't want to be released early and be on parole. It seems that he understood the crimes he commited and wanted to serve his timw. Sucks he didn't get to spend the end of his life free.

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darkprince45 posted...

Yes, how dare justice be served for a person who was robbed and murdered

See this is why people say you're garbage.

Man almost serves his debt to society, and you're celebrating because he got death.

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Poor murderer. Can we stop attacking each other and press x for respects.

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rikasa posted...

the fucking MINDS on this board.

What a cowardly reply

If people think its okay for him to die, why don't we just have automatic death sentence for anyone that commits a murder?

Also let's remember a few things:
1) Victim's families don't get to decide the punishment - they may speak at a trial during the sentencing period to influence the decision, but sentencing has to adhere to strict guidelines.
2) Victim's families may change their mind over time. It's all anecdotal, but there are cases where the victim's family have pushed for strong sentences in the past then changed their mind in the future.
3) Every single one of you is still continuing to ignore the point of rehabilitation.

Kensaimage posted...

What a cowardly reply

What a cuck response.

pistachio12 posted...

If people think its okay for him to die, why don't we just have automatic death sentence for anyone that commits a murder?

Also let's remember a few things:
1) Victim's families don't get to decide the punishment - they may speak at a trial during the sentencing period to influence the decision, but sentencing has to adhere to strict guidelines.
2) Victim's families may change their mind over time. It's all anecdotal, but there are cases where the victim's family have pushed for strong sentences in the past then changed their mind in the future.
3) Every single one of you is still continuing to ignore the point of rehabilitation.

They will never, ever recognize point 3. Theyre stuck in a caveman-esque line of thinking of they did bad so they get bad

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pistachio12 posted...

why don't we just have automatic death sentence for anyone that commits a murder?

You say that, but some here believe that. Flat out.

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Karma was 44 years late, but it came.

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CyricZ posted...

See this is why people say you're garbage.

Man almost serves his debt to society, and you're celebrating because he got death.

Who says that? The select few losers on this board lmao? Like I give a fuck, what a NEET thinks of me. Or should I care about what users like acab thinks of me? The literal crack user and alcoholic? Fuck that guy for killing someone. Justice served

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Deserved a life sentence and ended up with it.

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30-40 years already is a life sentence lite. Even if you go in in your 20s, when you get out youre going to be considered upper middle age-old.

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The man did his time for the crime and yeah I think he actually feels remoce as he never tried for an early release and actually wanted to serve all his time. He took someone's life and paid for it. Twice.

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darkprince45 posted...

Who says that? The select few losers on this board lmao? Like I give a fuck, what a NEET thinks of me. Or should I care about what users like acab thinks of me? The literal crack user and alcoholic? Fuck that guy for killing someone. Justice served

You're the type of guy who knows where the best lynching trees are.

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CyricZ posted...

You say that, but some here believe that. Flat out.

The biggest problem with the death penalty is the potential for a false (i.e. wrong) verdict. We know there are times when someone has been convicted of a crime they didnt commit. If we could eliminate that problem, as in being 100 percent sure of guilt, then I believe a lot more people would be Ok with executions.

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CyricZ posted...

You're the type of guy who knows where the best lynching trees are.

Yes, a hispanic minority from southside chicago in an interracial marriage. Yes, he knows where the lynching trees are

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Machete posted...

First degree murder during an armed robbery means he either planned the robbery and planned to commit murder during it or he got fucked somehow by the legal system. A gun going off accidentally is a scenario that literally cannot fit the legal description of first degree murder. So yeah, either it was always his plan to rob AND kill, or he got fucked over and should have been given a lesser homicide charge on top of the robbery charges and any weapons charges etc.

Machete posted...

Literally not first degree murder. The legal definition of the charge that it must be premeditated and the intent must have been to kill. Heat of the moment is legally excluded in the definition of the particular crime. If it was legitimately that, he should have gotten either second degree murder (if he fully intended to kill in the heat of the moment) or voluntary manslaughter (if he killed the victim during a struggle or attempted to harm them but ended up causing their death). Even if it was an accident like "gun went off," I'm not sure if he would have been offered an involuntary manslaughter plea on account of the robbery. First degree murder just seems odd to me in the circumstances and only legally fits if he fully planned to both murder and rob the victim. I haven't read the details in this case.

You are mistaken. First Degree murder can also be that you participated(whether attempted or successfully carry it out) in a felony(carjacking, robbery, home invasion, etc) and during the initial crime someone dies. You or your partner intentionally or otherwise killing someone can get you a Murder 1 charge. Someone(police, bystander, intended victim) killing your partner can also get you a charge of Murder in the First Degree.

If you attempt to perpetrate certain felonies and as a result someone dies, they are legally allowed to charge you with Murder 1.

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Yeah but if he was pressured at all by a third party or taken advantage of due to age, I think there are pretty simple ways to lessen the sentence or let the person out a little bit sooner based on behavior, probably. Most likely his sentence was so long because he was a pretty decent catalyst for a person's death. Either way, he's not there for the events lead up to the murder, he's not in jail, simple as that

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Do the crime, you have to serve your due punishment.

Obviously though, a 16 year old isn't going to have all the maturity and life experience in the world, but it's still somewhat close. It's not like this person was 10. At the same time, he wasn't 30+ either.

Depending on pre-meditation and circumstances of the event, anywhere from 20-30ish years seemed appropriate. That's pretty much most of their life.

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Sansoldier posted...

Do the crime, you have to serve your due punishment.

Obviously though, a 16 year old isn't going to have all the maturity and life experience in the world, but it's still somewhat close. It's not like this person was 10. At the same time, he wasn't 30+ either.

Depending on pre-meditation and circumstances of the event, anywhere from 20-30ish years seemed appropriate. That's pretty much most of their life.

Which he did. He even refused early releases because he wanted to truly be free and not on probation. It is funny in that way. Had he accepted probation he would probably be alive yet he wanted to do all his jail time.

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my thing is this: i understand being poor and needing money, that's why you rob people.

there's no justification for shooting people to do so. if you are unsuccessful, then you leave, or you get arrested and serve your time.

murica
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DevsBro posted...

Where does CE get this idea that you go from infant to adult all at once, at 18 years old?

Because they're 45 and still havent made that jump?

I believe in rehabilitation for almost all crimes. I take into account the age and state of mind the perpetrator was in at the time of the crime, as well as the the victim. I'm more likely to be more forgiving of murder if it was a crime of passion or revenge (i.e someone killed your family in cold blood and you hunt them down) which could also be considered passion.

However, my personal leanancy stops at a particular type of cold blooded murder. I describe that as a person purposely killing an innocent. Like if someone robs you at gun point, then kills you because you saw their face and could describe them to the police. In this case, i belive the perpatrator should be discarded. If there was a magical way to discern guilt, I would have it done on the spot.

I don't know if that's what the person in the topic did, as I haven't researched it enough.

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Fam_Fam posted...

my thing is this: i understand being poor and needing money, that's why you rob people.

there's no justification for shooting people to do so. if you are unsuccessful, then you leave, or you get arrested and serve your time.

This guy really justifying robbing people if youre poor lol.