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DevsBro
04/21/20 11:52:47 AM
#102:


ViewtifulGrave posted...
No, I didnt imply that at all.

What Im saying is that the Holdo maneuver makes you question why they went through with the trench run.
Well, I can think of lots of reasons. Nobody thought of it. Nobody wanted to die. They were optimistic about the chances of everyone surviving the trench run.

But more to the point, it didn't change anything. "Why didn't they lightspeed ram the Death Star" was just as valid a question in 1977 as it is today.

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ViewtifulGrave
04/21/20 12:00:29 PM
#103:


I might be talking out of my ass, but I think there was reason given before.

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Tyranthraxus
04/21/20 12:06:36 PM
#104:


DevsBro posted...
They were optimistic about the chances of everyone surviving the trench run.

I uhh.... Don't think anyone goes to war expecting 0 casualties.

But they didn't even need to kill anyone they could have made a droid do it. R2D2 and C3PO are exceptions. Most droids are like the Death star janitor bot and don't actually have any personality.

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DevsBro
04/21/20 12:10:55 PM
#105:


Tyranthraxus posted...
But they didn't even need to kill anyone they could have made a droid do it. R2D2 and C3PO are exceptions. Most droids are like the Death star janitor bot and don't actually have any personality.
What makes you say that? K2, HK-47, that one that processes R2D2 and C3PO in RotJ, BB8, other R2s, IG-11, the one who screams when his feet get burned in RotJ... a couple of those are even from the OT, if you're hoping to exclude any that aren't.

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Tyranthraxus
04/21/20 12:16:10 PM
#107:


DevsBro posted...
What makes you say that? K2, HK-47, that one that processes R2D2 and C3PO in RotJ, BB8, other R2s, IG-11, the one who screams when his feet get burned in RotJ... a couple of those are even from the OT, if you're hoping to exclude any that aren't.

Literally every astromech in every xwing during the strike on the Death Star except R2D2 was a soulless robot. They actually make a point of it in the movie when they want to give Luke a new droid and he turns them down. The ones you know the names of are remarkable for their identities. if you can even call IG-88s 2 seconds of on screen time with a name only found in merchandising an identity.

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DevsBro
04/21/20 12:16:42 PM
#108:


Captain_Qwark posted...
The scene where anakin turns evil is really fucking bad

"Welp I killed a Jedi to keep this guy alive who can help my wife. Better start murdering children in the next scene"
"What have I done?!"
Well, you saved a friend from execution without trial, for starters.

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DevsBro
04/21/20 12:17:28 PM
#109:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Literally every astromech in every xwing during the strike on the Death Star except R2D2 was a soulless robot. They actually make a point of it in the movie when they want to give Luke a new droid and he turns them down. The ones you know the names of are remarkable for their identities. if you can even call IG-88s 2 seconds of on screen time with a name only found in merchandising an identity.
IG-11 bro.

From Mandalorian.

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Tyranthraxus
04/21/20 12:23:08 PM
#110:


DevsBro posted...
IG-11 bro.

From Mandalorian.
Sorry I saw that and read IG-88 who was one of the bounty hunters contracted along side Boba Fett in ESB.

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Sariana21
04/21/20 12:28:36 PM
#111:


Anything to do with hyperspace travel, but especially the scene where people on various planets are able to look up and see the beams from Starkiller Base. That scene drives me absolutely bonkers.

Also all of TLJ except the stuff with Luke and Rey.

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CapnMuffin
04/21/20 12:32:13 PM
#112:


Jabba palace musical number

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radical rhino
04/21/20 12:32:15 PM
#113:


Freddie_Mercury posted...
jedi rocks
This is the only correct answer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PiDRgDmXGi4

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BLAKUboy
04/21/20 12:33:27 PM
#114:


https://imgur.com/4thrz

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
04/21/20 12:36:08 PM
#115:


The worst mokent was wasting the opportunity to use George Lucas story treatment with the OG actors signed-on and Disney resources to conclude the triple trilogy.
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DrizztLink
04/21/20 12:37:23 PM
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scar the 1
04/21/20 12:49:45 PM
#117:


Tyranthraxus posted...
It invalidates the bombing runs on both death stars.
It really doesn't. Not only can you invent any number of mumbo jumbo technobabble to explain why it wasn't possible, the Death Stars were also several orders of magnitude larger than the ship Holdo destroyed. And it would likely have blasted any rebel vessel to pieces if it came close enough (which actually happened in episode 6).

What does invalidate episode 6 is Han's shield bypassing maneuver in episode 7. They could have just sent in a bunch of X-Wings reverting from hyperspace inside the deflector shield.

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ViewtifulGrave
04/21/20 12:51:50 PM
#118:


Can we include the novels?

TLJ novel says that Rey basically downloaded all of Bens skills and abilities when he probed her mind in TFA.

TRoS novel says Palpatine transfered his mind to a clone body on Exogol when Vader threw him down the shaft.

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DevsBro
04/21/20 12:58:18 PM
#119:


scar the 1 posted...
What does invalidate episode 6 is Han's shield bypassing maneuver in episode 7. They could have just sent in a bunch of X-Wings reverting from hyperspace inside the deflector shield.
Also it raises the question of how Han has such precise timing. Light travels the diameter of the Earth in about a 20th of a second.

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DrizztLink
04/21/20 12:59:19 PM
#120:


scar the 1 posted...
What does invalidate episode 6 is Han's shield bypassing maneuver in episode 7.
Not so sure on that front.

That only worked because Han is fucking good. It's the SW equivalent of landing a fighter jet in an underground parking garage.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
04/21/20 1:03:16 PM
#121:


DrizztLink posted...
Not so sure on that front.

That only worked because Han is fucking good. It's the SW equivalent of landing a fighter jet in an underground parking garage.
It's in the same vein as John McClane in a truck vs fighter jet
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scar the 1
04/21/20 1:07:25 PM
#122:


DrizztLink posted...
Not so sure on that front.

That only worked because Han is fucking good. It's the SW equivalent of landing a fighter jet in an underground parking garage.
If Han could do it by hand, then a droid could definitely perform precise enough calculations to do it

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Tyranthraxus
04/21/20 1:09:59 PM
#123:


scar the 1 posted...
It really doesn't. Not only can you invent any number of mumbo jumbo technobabble to explain why it wasn't possible, the Death Stars were also several orders of magnitude larger than the ship Holdo destroyed. And it would likely have blasted any rebel vessel to pieces if it came close enough (which actually happened in episode 6).

What does invalidate episode 6 is Han's shield bypassing maneuver in episode 7. They could have just sent in a bunch of X-Wings reverting from hyperspace inside the deflector shield.

Holdo destroyed one ship and the shrapnel from the explosion fucked up everything behind it real bad. Even if it wouldn't literally blow up the death star you could, at a minimum, render the superlaser inoperable.

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Jabodie
04/21/20 1:11:31 PM
#124:


I would probably say the "killing younglings" scene. In some way it's meant to be a pivotal and emotional moment between Obi Wan and Padme, but it has some of the worst acting in the series and its impact is overshadowed by its hilarious wording.

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ThanksUglyGod
04/21/20 1:12:02 PM
#125:


"They sold you to protect you!"
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Tyranthraxus
04/21/20 1:13:52 PM
#126:


Jabodie posted...
I would probably say the "killing younglings" scene. In some way it's meant to be a pivotal and emotional moment between Obi Wan and Padme, but it has some of the worst acting in the series and its impact is overshadowed by its hilarious wording.

Yeah. Like, that scene could have been really cool but everyone just kinda fucked it up by acting like Malaysian dub DBZ.

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DevsBro
04/21/20 1:20:45 PM
#127:


scar the 1 posted...
If Han could do it by hand, then a droid could definitely perform precise enough calculations to do it
Well maybe. Han doesn't calculate, so it was probably more a matter of just having a feel for it from decades of flight experience. I dunno if droids can do the same or if the M Falcon has a hyperspace speedometer to even use to calculate with, let alone compounded quantization error.

But you probably could probably build a computerized ship that could do it, although they wouldn't have had time for that between when they learned about it and when they launched the offensive.

But now that you mention it, why does lightspeed make the MF go straight through the barrier but it make's Holdo's ship explode violently on contact with Snoke's?

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
04/21/20 1:40:55 PM
#128:


The Holdo Maneuver would have caused hyperspeed shrapnel that tears through other ships and planets behind the First order
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MacadamianNut3
04/21/20 1:42:41 PM
#129:


I've tolerated a lot of bs in Star Wars but when I saw that Rey/Kylo ending in Rise of Skywalker my immediate reaction was

https://i.imgur.com/V9y3EcE.gif

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DrizztLink
04/21/20 2:16:21 PM
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scar the 1
04/21/20 2:20:42 PM
#132:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Holdo destroyed one ship and the shrapnel from the explosion fucked up everything behind it real bad. Even if it wouldn't literally blow up the death star you could, at a minimum, render the superlaser inoperable.
You might, if the Empire were to let a battle cruiser get that close without taking it out

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scar the 1
04/21/20 2:22:37 PM
#133:


DevsBro posted...
But now that you mention it, why does lightspeed make the MF go straight through the barrier but it make's Holdo's ship explode violently on contact with Snoke's?
I think the point is that hyperspace is supposed to be some sort of different dimension rather than just traveling through the same space really fast. With that reasoning, Holdo's ship was accelerating to reach hyperspace but collided before it entered

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DevsBro
04/21/20 2:30:20 PM
#134:


scar the 1 posted...
I think the point is that hyperspace is supposed to be some sort of different dimension rather than just traveling through the same space really fast. With that reasoning, Holdo's ship was accelerating to reach hyperspace but collided before it entered
Ok, I could see that.

Of course, there are still a few questionable details like how Han was able to decelerate feom hyperspeed before crashing into SKB.

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scar the 1
04/21/20 2:40:19 PM
#135:


DevsBro posted...
Of course, there are still a few questionable details like how Han was able to decelerate feom hyperspeed before crashing into SKB.
Absolutely. But we all know that Star Wars has always been playing fast and loose with actual physics. In fact I thought the whole "shoot a space beam to another star system in a matter of minutes oh and it's visible from a third system" was worse in ep 7

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DevsBro
04/21/20 2:44:19 PM
#136:


scar the 1 posted...
Absolutely. But we all know that Star Wars has always been playing fast and loose with actual physics. In fact I thought the whole "shoot a space beam to another star system in a matter of minutes oh and it's visible from a third system" was worse in ep 7
It's a soft scifi thing in general. I normally just laugh and let it go as long as it's at least somewhat consistent.

I mean, if we're worrying about optics, hey guess what there's a ship over there that literally goes faster than light.

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stoltenberg11
04/21/20 2:52:23 PM
#137:


DevsBro posted...
Well, I can think of lots of reasons. Nobody thought of it. Nobody wanted to die. They were optimistic about the chances of everyone surviving the trench run.

But more to the point, it didn't change anything. "Why didn't they lightspeed ram the Death Star" was just as valid a question in 1977 as it is today.
Hyperspace travel was always vague enough that it could be explained away by saying they were traveling via another dimension or something. showing explicitly, on screen, that that's in fact not the case is the problem with the Holdo Maneuver. It's a bit of a 'less is more' situation.

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ThanksUglyGod
04/21/20 2:59:07 PM
#138:


DrizztLink posted...
What?
Rey's parents bs reason for selling her to a slaver on Jakku, then telling an assassin that she wasn't on Jakku.
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stoltenberg11
04/21/20 3:06:44 PM
#139:


scar the 1 posted...
Absolutely. But we all know that Star Wars has always been playing fast and loose with actual physics. In fact I thought the whole "shoot a space beam to another star system in a matter of minutes oh and it's visible from a third system" was worse in ep 7
It kinda did but in mostly fun and believable ways, then the ST played really fast and loose and it kinda took me out of a lot of stuff. There's only so much suspension of disbelief I can force myself into before my eyes just roll out of their sockets.

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scar the 1
04/21/20 3:39:14 PM
#140:


DevsBro posted...
It's a soft scifi thing in general. I normally just laugh and let it go as long as it's at least somewhat consistent.

I mean, if we're worrying about optics, hey guess what there's a ship over there that literally goes faster than light.
Oh yeah for sure, I don't see either as really big issues. I just think they're both at least as or more "inconsistent" than the Holdo maneuver

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marthsheretoo
04/23/20 4:53:53 AM
#141:


I just remembered another one, watching the scene transition as a knight of Ren walked up behind Chewie and realizing that yes, we STILL don't get to actually see these guys in action.

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joe40001
04/23/20 7:08:44 AM
#142:


In RoS they have a throw away line saying the Holdo manuever was 1 in a million. In the books they BS and say you have to be an insanely perfect distance from the thing or it won't work at all.

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Monolith1676
04/23/20 7:29:24 PM
#143:


Oh shit, I forgot space horses.

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Sephiroth C Ryu
04/23/20 8:27:05 PM
#144:


Mediochlorians, every single bit of tactics and logic in episode 8, and the instant some idiot decided to say "done!" after just enlarging the Rogue One star destroyer model and slapping a big gun under it (this last one doesn't happen during a movie, mind you).
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Sephiroth C Ryu
04/23/20 8:29:02 PM
#145:


ClunkerSlim posted...
Messa Jar Jar Binks

I truly believe the franchise still hasnt 100% recovered from that.

Eh, just go read the Darths and Droids comic. That worked pretty well for me. Its really quite impressive how they actually made that player (and by extension Jar Jar himself) an outright fun and enjoyable character.
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