Current Events > What was Hitler's goal anyway?

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He wanted to take control of the "corrupt" government, and eventually get the nations under control of Germany as well.

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He was hoping to segue into a cultural victory, but it turns out genociding a bunch of people doesn't create a great work.

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Probably felt like his way of thinking would save the world and make it a better place so he will FORCE IT

Hitler specialised too much into countering time-travellers, and he didnt allocate enough points to be able to counter his current-day foes

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Hitler thought it was a good idea to take on the whole world.

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Compete global saturation

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taking full control of the country and its people by giving them a common enemy to hate and fueling the thought that they're superior to others

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His father's love and his wife's anus.

iPhone_7 posted...

Hitler thought it was a good idea to take on the whole world.

This is kind of a myth

Hitler wanted peace with the UK but that wasnt going go happen

And he knew that Russia was going go invade them

People talk shit about the two front war but the two front war was coming .

Hitler's only choices were to try to beat the UK quick then take the fight to Russia

or sit like a lemon and let the UK and Russsia come kick his ass.

No surprise he picked #1
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It was just a prank!

masterbarf posted...

His wife's love and his father's anus.

Conquer the world, exterminate the Jews, use imagery of the Holocaust as a reminder of the Third Reich's total power and indomitable will - like a trophy.

The arrogant bastards were recording mass genocide to use it as pro-Nazi propaganda.

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he wanted to create lebensraum (living space) for what he believed to be the superior aryan race while destroying, what he thought, was a jewish conspiracy that held them down.

that in a nutshell. he really didn't have much interest conquering the entirety of the world.

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Hitler and friends were convinced that Marxism (and more particularly the Bolshevik Revolution that gave rise to the Soviet Union) was a Jewish conspiracy.



MrMallard posted...

Conquer the world, exterminate the Jews, use imagery of the Holocaust as a reminder of the Third Reich's total power and indomitable will - like a trophy.

The arrogant bastards were recording mass genocide to use it as pro-Nazi propaganda.

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^ ya that's common knowledge. the ukranians saw the germans as liberators and even engaged in pograms against jews upon the nazi occupation. a lot were even used as guards at death camps. problem was the nazi's saw them as slavs and decided to seize all their food for the german people instead and let the ukranians starve

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"Rejected by most accepted holocaust scholar."

WTF accepted holocaust scholar doesn't reject that?
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Steelix500 posted...

It was just a prank!

ok that was funny

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thebatz posted...

he wanted to create lebensraum (living space) for what he believed to be the superior aryan race while destroying, what he thought, was a jewish conspiracy that held them down.

that in a nutshell. he really didn't have much interest conquering the entirety of the world.

ya this

No serious historian will tell you that the Third Reich had any ambitions at global conquest.

Also, the irony of the British Empire taking an aggressive anti-German posture



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hitler's goals:

1. to abandon the terms of the versailles treaty wholesale
2. to consolidate all german-speaking territories under his control
3. to destroy the soviet union
4. "lebensraum" - to colonize eastern europe and replace its population with germans
5. "lebensborn" - encouraging the birth of ethnic german children
6. cultivation of a german sphere of influence among non-slavic european states
7. "racial hygiene" (eugenics) - imprisonment, sterilization, or extermination of those deemed "undesirable"
8. oppression, expulsion, internment, and finally outright genocide of jewish people in german and german-occupied territories
9. german economic recovery within his national socialist framework
10. thousand-year reign over germany under his regime

his writings also hinted at domination/leadership/control of the world by the germans

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thebatz posted...

^ ya that's common knowledge. the ukranians saw the germans as liberators and even engaged in pograms against jews upon the nazi occupation. a lot were even used as guards at death camps. problem was the nazi's saw them as slavs and decided to seize all their food for the german people instead and let the ukranians starve

To be entirely honest, for Ukrainians, pogroms were something of a national sport, even prior to the Nazi invasion.

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MarshawnLynch posted...

ya this

No serious historian will tell you that the Third Reich had any ambitions at global conquest.

Also, the irony of the British Empire taking an aggressive anti-German posture

That's such a bad picture I don't even know where to start.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

That's such a bad picture I don't even know where to start.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

And he knew that Russia was going go invade them

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no hard evidence Russia was planning to invade Germany, or its "core" territory. Stalin was caught completely off guard by the Barbarossa offensive, and the arrival of German forces in Russian territory initially came as a mind**** to those who observed it.

However, a peculiar catalyst to Germany's decision to invade the USSR when it did was Soviet occupation of Baltic territory claimed by Germany during the war.

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"He just wanted to create as much chaos as possible and he succeeded so he's actually a very intelligent person who got exactly what he wanted, which is commendable."
-Jordan Peterson, probably.
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TheMikh posted...

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no hard evidence Russia was planning to invade Germany, or its "core" territory. Stalin was caught completely off guard by the Barbarossa offensive, and the arrival of German forces in Russian territories initially came as a mind**** to those who observed it.

However, a peculiar catalyst to Germany's decision to invade the USSR when it did was Soviet occupation of Baltic territory claimed by Germany during the war.

the nazis and soviets were conflicting ideologies who bordered next to each other. the whole point of the non-aggression pact was not to carve out poland but both countries were not ready at the time to war against eachother. stalin was 100% going to invade germany but needed to bide his time.

the nazi's rationale was rather than wait 3-5 years for this attack, they invade soviet territory early on in a surprise attack and have moscow in disarray.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

"He just wanted to create as much chaos as possible and he succeeded so he's actually a very intelligent person who got exactly what he wanted, which is commendable."
-Jordan Peterson, probably.

Damn, how'd a guy in a coma articulate all that?

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TheMikh posted...

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no hard evidence Russia was planning to invade Germany, or its "core" territory. Stalin was caught completely off guard by the Barbarossa offensive, and the arrival of German forces in Russian territory initially came as a mind**** to those who observed it.

However, a peculiar catalyst to Germany's decision to invade the USSR when it did was Soviet occupation of Baltic territory claimed by Germany during the war.

You're wrong.

Stalin was (moronically) covinced that Germany wasn't going to attack them despite all his intelligence and generals telling him they would. But he eventually did change his tune and made preperations before the offensive began.

And Russia's conquest wasn't going to stop when they hit Germany. Literally no one believed that. Least of all Stalin.

If you want to see a good bite size step by step recount of how the war was shaping up and the thoughts of the players involved, I suggest you check out Indy Neidell's "This week in WW2" series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-A1gVm9T0A&list=PLsIk0qF0R1j77INta3qgtHtXo3NZsrbIR

It covers all the basics and leaves sources for further study of events.

The same show he did on WW1 was excellent too.

A German/Russian conflict was inevitable. Close to literally the only person who didn't think Germany was going to attack Russia first was hilariously Stalin as you eluded too.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

this is a dishonest post

thebatz posted...

the nazis and soviets were conflicting ideologies who bordered next to each other. the whole point of the non-aggression pact was not to carve out poland but both countries were not ready at the time to war against eachother. stalin was 100% going to invade germany but needed to bide his time.

that there were major agreements pertaining to both trade/aid and carving up central europe makes the prospect of soviet invasion perplexing, even if it's not beyond the realm of things stalin would do

seems to be a hotly debated topic among historians to this day, so perhaps i'm not qualified to comment on it

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UnfairRepresent posted...

thanks, i'll check that out.

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TheMikh posted...

that there were major agreements pertaining to both trade/aid and carving up central europe makes the prospect of soviet invasion perplexing, even if it's not beyond the realm of things stalin would do

Yes but this was just biding time for the Russians to take land, mobalize an army, consolidate power etc.

Neither Germany or Russia were ready for that war, the not aggression pact was not peace, it was just that. Non aggression. Conflict was inevitable.

seems to be a hotly debated topic among historians to this day, so perhaps i'm not qualified to comment on it

It's really not
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TheMikh posted...

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no hard evidence Russia was planning to invade Germany, or its "core" territory. Stalin was caught completely off guard by the Barbarossa offensive, and the arrival of German forces in Russian territory initially came as a mind**** to those who observed it.

However, a peculiar catalyst to Germany's decision to invade the USSR when it did was Soviet occupation of Baltic territory claimed by Germany during the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaker_(Suvorov)

Remember that world conquest - the international proletariat revolution across all borders and frontiers - was an open goal of the Soviet Union as a central tenet of Marxism and the Comintern was established to promote this seditious conspiracy by hook or crook.

Trotsky (and Lenin too IIRC) wasnt shy about saying they were after Germany next, coveting it as an industrial nation better suited to put Marxs theories into practice as opposed to Russias backwards agrarian economy that had barely just progressed out of serfdom.

There was a Bolshevik-backed communist takeover in 1918 in Germany with Soviet figures like Karl Radek as key instigators, with a Bavarian Soviet Republic (I think thats what it was named) briefly declared before the Germans got ahold of the situation and crushed it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacist_uprising


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MrMallard posted...

Damn, how'd a guy in a coma articulate all that?

Not pretending the quote is accurate but this is a dumb fucking post.

If he'd quoted Abe Lincoln, would you have facetiously asked how a dead guy said it?

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MT_TRAEH posted...

spread love and compassion, anyone who doesn't like it will suffer

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