Current Events > Banks can keep the 1,200 stimulus to cover existing debts.

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Talk2DaHand
04/14/20 2:49:51 PM
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Banks have been given the green light by regulators to take the $1,200 CARES Act payments and use them to offset an individual's existing debts. https://t.co/by1oQ1uoJl

'Murica!

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Talk2DaHand
04/14/20 2:52:18 PM
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Up

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B-Factor
04/14/20 2:53:16 PM
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lmao
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Questionmarktarius
04/14/20 2:54:12 PM
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Your bank account is setting at -$1231.07 somehow.
You get a deposit of $1200.00.
What is your balance now?
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Tyranthraxus
04/14/20 2:55:00 PM
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Lenders always get paid first.

If you run a business and you haven't issued paychecks to your employees yet and declare bankruptcy, the employees just have to kind of hope there's enough money for them after paying lenders to still cut paychecks for their work.

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Ludwig Von 2
04/14/20 2:55:44 PM
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Should have gotten a check

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/20 2:55:47 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Your bank account is setting at -$1231.07 somehow.
You get a deposit of $1200.00.
What is your balance now?
That would never happen. Your account would be closed and sold to a collections agency.

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Orlando_Jordan
04/14/20 2:56:18 PM
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Fair, next.

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Ludwig Von 2
04/14/20 2:57:40 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
That would never happen. Your account would be closed and sold to a collections agency.

well I mean the deposit would still go through..

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/20 2:58:16 PM
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Ludwig Von 2 posted...
well I mean the deposit would still go through..
No it wouldn't because you wouldn't have a bank account at that point.

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g980
04/14/20 2:59:17 PM
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Makes sense for deposits to overdrawn accounts

Sketchier for being used to pay off separate loan accounts

But note that this wasnt an explicit "go ahead please do that" it was "there is nothing specifically saying you cant"

And honestly in most cases, protecting that money would be impractical.

But if youre just looking for something to get riled up about, godspeed

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g980
04/14/20 2:59:56 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
That would never happen. Your account would be closed and sold to a collections agency.

Not immediately. This could absolutely happen.

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Questionmarktarius
04/14/20 3:00:12 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No it wouldn't because you wouldn't have a bank account at that point.
According to the link, it ends up going towards that debt from the closed account.
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Ludwig Von 2
04/14/20 3:00:43 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No it wouldn't because you wouldn't have a bank account at that point.

the account exists, its just in a different status. If a direct deposit came in though it would take it. The account doesnt magically disappear.

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Bio1590
04/14/20 3:01:06 PM
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[Treasury] has the ability to say that these payments are exempt, and theyre not doing so"


Gee I wonder why
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KiwiTerraRizing
04/14/20 3:01:26 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Your bank account is setting at -$1231.07 somehow.
You get a deposit of $1200.00.
What is your balance now?

I mean, yeah this kinda makes sense. Thats just automated. I dont know how you prevent it.

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/20 3:01:50 PM
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g980 posted...
Not immediately. This could absolutely happen.
It would have to happen within hours of you getting the CARES money. That's not a realistic scenario.

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Talk2DaHand
04/14/20 3:04:20 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Gee I wonder why

Kleptomania

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thanosibe
04/14/20 3:04:31 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
I mean, yeah this kinda makes sense. Thats just automated. I dont know how you prevent it.
You, the account holder can't. That's why banks offer overdraft. I rarely ever use it but, I went from $500 OD like 15 years ago when we open our account to $1500 and I never asked for any increases. But since they can see I have steady income, and that income pay period has never exceeded that OD amount, they always know they'll get their money. Including the OD fees.

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g980
04/14/20 3:05:44 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It would have to happen within hours of you getting the CARES money. That's not a realistic scenario.

I was a branch manager at a bank for years. Banks dont sell off overdrawn accounts quickly. $1200 is a lot to be overdrawn, but not all that rare.

Why would they? If theres a chance they can recover the full amount + fees and still maintain the relationship, theyre going to. Double so if theres an additional lending relationship.

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R1masher
04/14/20 3:11:08 PM
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This is something that I consider fair and so should you, Ill cast judgment your next statement as I wait up on high

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Questionmarktarius
04/14/20 3:12:01 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
I dont know how you prevent it.
Paper check, then pay the pawn shop on the corner an obscene fee just to cash it.
Assuming, of course, you don't already owe that pawn shop money.
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Sir Will
04/14/20 3:15:47 PM
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...what ISN'T wrong with your country? JFC....
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BettyWhite
04/14/20 3:20:08 PM
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Time to open up a Bluebird or Greendot and change your direct deposit to that account.

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Sackgurl
04/14/20 3:22:02 PM
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in theory this shouldn't happen too much

most people who live outside the traditional banking system didn't file their taxes to accept returns/make payments via a bank acct number because they already don't have one--they're just waiting for the checks to be mailed

in practice anybody who has fallen on hard times directly as a result of coronavirus is the most likely to have their stimulus taken from them by debt holders

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Talk2DaHand
04/14/20 3:56:11 PM
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BettyWhite posted...
Time to open up a Bluebird or Greendot and change your direct deposit to that account.

I'll look it up.

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DrizztLink
04/14/20 3:57:18 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Lenders always get paid first.

If you run a business and you haven't issued paychecks to your employees yet and declare bankruptcy, the employees just have to kind of hope there's enough money for them after paying lenders to still cut paychecks for their work.
Bootlicker logic

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Talk2DaHand
04/14/20 4:01:20 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Bootlicker logic

eso parece

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kingdrake2
04/14/20 4:06:41 PM
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when creditors take money out of the stimulus:


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ThyCorndog
04/14/20 4:13:09 PM
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Sir Will posted...
...what ISN'T wrong with your country? JFC....
the list is getting smaller and smaller

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YellowSUV
04/14/20 4:33:16 PM
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Reminder the US government works for the rich and banks and not you.

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/20 4:40:19 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Bootlicker logic
I'm telling you how it is not telling you how I want it to be.

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ElatedVenusaur
04/14/20 4:41:59 PM
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CARES just gets lamer and lamer...
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DrizztLink
04/14/20 4:43:22 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I'm telling you how it is not telling you how I want it to be.
Touch.

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SH_expert44
04/14/20 4:44:25 PM
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AlecSkorpio
04/14/20 4:45:02 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...


If you run a business and you haven't issued paychecks to your employees yet and declare bankruptcy, the employees just have to kind of hope there's enough money for them after paying lenders to still cut paychecks for their work.

This is why you stop working immediately if your employer misses a paycheck.

I've seen like 3 people keep going for up to a month saying "they'll issue back pay when they get covered"

They couldn't even get a loan to cover a week of payroll. Why would you ever think this is going to get better?

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BettyWhite
04/14/20 5:07:28 PM
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Talk2DaHand posted...
I'll look it up.

5 bucks for a Bluebird at Walmart.

I know you need to wait 2 weeks for your card to come in the mail to be able to use mobile check cashing, but I'm not sure about direct deposit.

I love my Bluebird.. Pretty much all the basic features of a bank account except they don't let you overdraft.

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Questionmarktarius
04/14/20 5:14:52 PM
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BettyWhite posted...
I love my Bluebird.. Pretty much all the basic features of a bank account except they don't let you overdraft.
Would it be useful for fuckoff money and/or not-quite-trusted online purchases?
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GallisOTK
04/14/20 5:39:46 PM
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So even if I qualified for a check, it would probably be kept to just pay off $1,200 of the $30,000+ student loan debt I have. Peachy.
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BettyWhite
04/14/20 5:44:49 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Would it be useful for fuckoff money and/or not-quite-trusted online purchases?

Absolutely.

There's no maintenance fees like other cards of the sort. It's easy to load money onto it through multiple sources. And you can easily have multiple accounts just so as long as you pay the initial 5 bucks. And they still operate like an actual bank if you have to go about disputes

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Questionmarktarius
04/14/20 9:40:44 PM
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BettyWhite posted...
Absolutely.
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Unsugarized_Foo
04/14/20 9:42:11 PM
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The borrower is slave to the lender

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CapnMuffin
04/14/20 9:58:57 PM
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The Right to Offset is always the case and spelled out in your loan note. Doesnt matter where the money came from. And is generally a last ditch effort of loss mitigation before repossession. The article is just click bait.

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Talk2DaHand
04/14/20 10:56:27 PM
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Up

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Bio1590
04/15/20 12:02:43 AM
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CapnMuffin posted...
The Right to Offset is always the case and spelled out in your loan note. Doesnt matter where the money came from. And is generally a last ditch effort of loss mitigation before repossession. The article is just click bait.

I'd hardly call it clickbait when it specifically mentions that the government could easily exempt it from being able to be taken but not only are they actively choosing not to they are basically telling the banks they can if they want.
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Talk2DaHand
04/15/20 12:10:24 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
I'd hardly call it clickbait when it specifically mentions that the government could easily exempt it from being able to be taken but not only are they actively choosing not to they are basically telling the banks they can if they want.

Exactly. A lot of people need that money to survive and banks are gonna keep it. Expect a huge crime wave in the following weeks.

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