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DumbQuestion 04/12/20 8:12:45 PM #1:	topic <cite>DumbQuestion posted [p:937279651] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 04/12/20 8:14:11 PM #2:	Cause Square uses Final Fantasy as an 'experimental' series and changes it constantly. Not that I don't prefer ATB or Turn-Based but that's how it is. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:937279739] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Cause Square uses Final Fantasy as an 'experimental' series and changes it constantly. Not that I don't prefer ATB or Turn-Based but that's how it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 04/12/20 8:16:33 PM #4:	Turn based combat is only a thing because of limitations early on. Nowadays it's fucking boring. Playing a 40 + hour game where 80% of it is navigating a menu is not fun anymore. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:937279877] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Turn based combat is only a thing because of limitations early on. Nowadays it's fucking boring. Playing a 40 + hour game where 80% of it is navigating a menu is not fun anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 04/12/20 8:17:38 PM #5:	Makeveli_lives posted... Turn based combat is only a thing because of limitations early on. Nowadays it's fucking boring. Playing a 40 + hour game where 80% of it is navigating a menu is not fun anymore. So should Pokemon not be turn based anymore? --- Doom, the game with unlimited ways to play. <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:937279934] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Makeveli_lives posted... </cite> <quote>Turn based combat is only a thing because of limitations early on. Nowadays it's fucking boring. Playing a 40 + hour game where 80% of it is navigating a menu is not fun anymore.</quote> So should Pokemon not be turn based anymore? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury 04/12/20 8:20:14 PM #6:	SE is afraid of competing with Persona --- https://i.imgtc.com/eMQvkRJ.png https://i.imgtc.ws/l86HyIt.png <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:937280072] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>SE is afraid of competing with Persona </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 04/12/20 8:20:19 PM #7:	Cheater87 posted... So should Pokemon not be turn based anymore? Pokemon is all about one on one, or recently 2 VS 2 battles and that's why it works. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:937280080] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Cheater87 posted... </cite> <quote>So should Pokemon not be turn based anymore?</quote>Pokemon is all about one on one, or recently 2 VS 2 battles and that's why it works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 04/12/20 8:21:50 PM #8:	Maybe they got tired of doing the same thing after 30 years? shrugs --- Last Cloudia ID: 188850453 <cite>Strider102 posted [p:937280156] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Maybe they got tired of doing the same thing after 30 years? shrugs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thebatz 04/12/20 8:22:59 PM #9:	Makeveli_lives posted... Turn based combat is only a thing because of limitations early on. Nowadays it's fucking boring. Playing a 40 + hour game where 80% of it is navigating a menu is not fun anymore. This. I mean games are so graphically advanced nowadays and gaming engines are so powerful. It just looks foolish where your character can't attack because it's the enemy's turn. --- Toronto Maple Leafs <cite>thebatz posted [p:937280226] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Makeveli_lives posted... </cite> <quote>Turn based combat is only a thing because of limitations early on. Nowadays it's fucking boring. Playing a 40 + hour game where 80% of it is navigating a menu is not fun anymore.</quote>This. I mean games are so graphically advanced nowadays and gaming engines are so powerful. It just looks foolish where your character can't attack because it's the enemy's turn. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 04/12/20 8:24:22 PM #10:	Makeveli_lives posted... Pokemon is all about one on one, or recently 2 VS 2 battles and that's why it works. Imagine a Pokemon main game that plays like Pokken Tournament though? <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:937280306] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Makeveli_lives posted... </cite> <quote>Pokemon is all about one on one, or recently 2 VS 2 battles and that's why it works.</quote> Imagine a Pokemon main game that plays like Pokken Tournament though? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkBuster22904 04/12/20 8:35:19 PM #12:	The funny thing is that SE's modern turn based games (bravely default, octopath traveller) tend to be a LOT less divisive than modern FF, which has to reinvent the wheel every time it comes up. Granted, they dont sell as much, though I'm inclined to believe that has to do more with their lack of a name brand than anything else. They also dont get pushed nearly as hard, and thus lack the public visibility. this is compounded with them clearly getting the B-tier budgets which leads to Art styles which, while pretty, dont appeal to the graphic whores of the world. I'd be curious to see how well a proper, turn based Final Fantasy, with all the trimmings, would fare, these days. --- Haven't had a good sig idea since 2006 <cite>DarkBuster22904 posted [p:937280982] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>The funny thing is that SE's modern turn based games (bravely default, octopath traveller) tend to be a LOT less divisive than modern FF, which has to reinvent the wheel every time it comes up. Granted, they dont sell as much, though I'm inclined to believe that has to do more with their lack of a name brand than anything else. They also dont get pushed nearly as hard, and thus lack the public visibility. this is compounded with them clearly getting the B-tier budgets which leads to Art styles which, while pretty, dont appeal to the graphic whores of the world. I'd be curious to see how well a proper, turn based Final Fantasy, with all the trimmings, would fare, these days. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 04/12/20 9:24:55 PM #13:	dameon_reaper posted... Imagine a Pokemon main game that plays like Pokken Tournament though? Pokken works because there's only a few dozen fighters. Putting in all what 900+ now as fighters is asinine. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:937283844] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>dameon_reaper posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine a Pokemon main game that plays like Pokken Tournament though?</quote>Pokken works because there's only a few dozen fighters. Putting in all what 900+ now as fighters is asinine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 04/12/20 9:26:39 PM #14:	DarkBuster22904 posted... The funny thing is that SE's modern turn based games (bravely default, octopath traveller) tend to be a LOT less divisive than modern FF, which has to reinvent the wheel every time it comes up. Octopath was trash outside of the battle system. And the battle system got old quick, fun as it was in the first few hours. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:937283936] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>DarkBuster22904 posted... </cite> <quote>The funny thing is that SE's modern turn based games (bravely default, octopath traveller) tend to be a LOT less divisive than modern FF, which has to reinvent the wheel every time it comes up.</quote>Octopath was trash outside of the battle system. And the battle system got old quick, fun as it was in the first few hours. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 04/12/20 9:52:10 PM #15:	Makeveli_lives posted... Turn based combat is only a thing because of limitations early on. Nowadays it's fucking boring. Playing a 40 + hour game where 80% of it is navigating a menu is not fun anymore. I have more fun with turn based games about 80% of the time. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:937285310] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Makeveli_lives posted... </cite> <quote>Turn based combat is only a thing because of limitations early on. Nowadays it's fucking boring. Playing a 40 + hour game where 80% of it is navigating a menu is not fun anymore.</quote>I have more fun with turn based games about 80% of the time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 04/12/20 9:55:44 PM #16:	Turn-based combat absolutely still holds up. How do I know that? Because good games are still being released with turn based combat, and because the old turn based final fantasy games still hold up. Much better than the more recent FF games. The real reason, is because SE decided to change things up, and they're allowed to do that. --- #FeelTheBern https://imgur.com/q5z4CUu https://imgur.com/6B9oFXh https://imgur.com/sy42Dlf <cite>lilORANG posted [p:937285524] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Turn-based combat absolutely still holds up. How do I know that? Because good games are still being released with turn based combat, and because the old turn based final fantasy games still hold up. Much better than the more recent FF games. The real reason, is because SE decided to change things up, and they're allowed to do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 04/12/20 9:56:05 PM #17:	Because SE cares more about being "cinematic" and flashy than making good games. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:937285539] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Because SE cares more about being "cinematic" and flashy than making good games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 04/12/20 9:56:12 PM #18:	To try to appeal to casual garbage <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:937285547] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>To try to appeal to casual garbage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 04/12/20 10:36:25 PM #19:	BLAKUboy posted... Because SE cares more about being "cinematic" and flashy than making good games. DQ is still great. So are Bravely (on the gameplay side anyway) --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:937287764] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>BLAKUboy posted... </cite> <quote>Because SE cares more about being "cinematic" and flashy than making good games.</quote>DQ is still great. So are Bravely (on the gameplay side anyway) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 04/12/20 10:41:58 PM #20:	I wish FF would go turn-based or flesh out the gambit system from XII. I feel like there's huge potential for the gambit system if they allowed more complex conditionals and logic flows. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:937288018] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>I wish FF would go turn-based or flesh out the gambit system from XII. I feel like there's huge potential for the gambit system if they allowed more complex conditionals and logic flows. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 04/12/20 10:44:16 PM #21:	MutantJohn posted... I wish FF would go turn-based or flesh out the gambit system from XII. I feel like there's huge potential for the gambit system if they allowed more complex conditionals and logic flows. Gambit System with the psudo round based real time combat from XII was amazing. I miss that style of combat. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:937288167] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>MutantJohn posted... </cite> <quote>I wish FF would go turn-based or flesh out the gambit system from XII. I feel like there's huge potential for the gambit system if they allowed more complex conditionals and logic flows.</quote>Gambit System with the psudo round based real time combat from XII was amazing. I miss that style of combat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 04/12/20 10:47:17 PM #22:	Turn-based games are not obsolete. XCOM games are turn-based and a lot of fun. There's actual strategizing and not just mashing the attack button like all of these terrible "action RPG" games that developers pretend are better. --- GOML <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:937288309] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Turn-based games are not obsolete. XCOM games are turn-based and a lot of fun. There's actual strategizing and not just mashing the attack button like all of these terrible "action RPG" games that developers pretend are better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 04/12/20 11:49:51 PM #23:	MutantJohn posted... I wish FF would go turn-based or flesh out the gambit system from XII. I feel like there's huge potential for the gambit system if they allowed more complex conditionals and logic flows. Gambit system is basically the game playing itself though. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:937291050] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>MutantJohn posted... </cite> <quote>I wish FF would go turn-based or flesh out the gambit system from XII. I feel like there's huge potential for the gambit system if they allowed more complex conditionals and logic flows.</quote>Gambit system is basically the game playing itself though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 04/13/20 12:33:21 AM #24:	Makeveli_lives posted... Gambit system is basically the game playing itself though. It gives you the freedom to decide how you want to play the game. You want to strategically automatize the game? You can do that. You want to manually control your main character and have your other party members act as companions? You can do that. You want to automate certain tasks while you control all the characters like a pseudo turn-based game? You can do that too. I usually do the second where I completely control one character and set my other party members as companions. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:937292758] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Makeveli_lives posted... </cite> <quote>Gambit system is basically the game playing itself though.</quote>It gives you the freedom to decide how you want to play the game. You want to strategically automatize the game? You can do that. You want to manually control your main character and have your other party members act as companions? You can do that. You want to automate certain tasks while you control all the characters like a pseudo turn-based game? You can do that too. I usually do the second where I completely control one character and set my other party members as companions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/13/20 12:36:19 AM #25:	Rikiaz posted... Cause Square uses Final Fantasy as an 'experimental' series and changes it constantly. Not that I don't prefer ATB or Turn-Based but that's how it is. Final Fantasy isn't their experimental series. The short answer is it's not turn based because high production values for graphics don't look good turn based. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:937292861] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Rikiaz posted... </cite> <quote>Cause Square uses Final Fantasy as an 'experimental' series and changes it constantly. Not that I don't prefer ATB or Turn-Based but that's how it is.</quote> Final Fantasy isn't their experimental series. The short answer is it's not turn based because high production values for graphics don't look good turn based. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrazyandLazy 04/13/20 12:37:26 AM #26:	cause the majority of gamers like mashing buttons that and they follow the trend on what sells. The current trend is Kingdom Hearts with DLC and a little bit of GTA open world --- Internet is srs business https://imgur.com/kQm9aik <cite>CrazyandLazy posted [p:937292904] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>cause the majority of gamers like mashing buttons that and they follow the trend on what sells. The current trend is Kingdom Hearts with DLC and a little bit of GTA open world </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 04/13/20 12:38:34 AM #27:	Turn based combat kinda sucks --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:937292955] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Turn based combat kinda sucks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 04/13/20 12:39:30 AM #28:	Tyranthraxus posted... Final Fantasy isn't their experimental series. The short answer is it's not turn based because high production values for graphics don't look good turn based. I meant compared to Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest you always know what you're getting. Final Fantasy changes constantly. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:937292984] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Final Fantasy isn't their experimental series. The short answer is it's not turn based because high production values for graphics don't look good turn based.</quote>I meant compared to Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest you always know what you're getting. Final Fantasy changes constantly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/13/20 12:52:28 AM #29:	Rikiaz posted... I meant compared to Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest you always know what you're getting. Final Fantasy changes constantly. Dragon Quest doesn't change at all but I think people forget how FF has a really long history of being different. 1 - party of 4 from 6 jobs 2 - no jobs at all, no levels. Just skills that each have to be raised differently 3 - jobs that you can change any time you want 4 - everything is predetermined 5 - 3 but in ATB 6 - Like 2 again but with Levels as a baseline. Every character has a unique ability that further set them apart. There's also equipment restrictions 7 - blank slate jobless characters again where you have to raise individual skills except your skills are equipment and you can change them or re equip them on other characters. 8 - draw junction enemies have level ranges wtf lol 9 - basically it's FF4 again. 10 - weird summon system, otherwise nothing really new in this game 12 - RTWP combat and license board that otherwise means all characters are identical like FF2 13 - Don't do drugs kids 15 - full on ARPG --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:937293493] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Rikiaz posted... </cite> <quote>I meant compared to Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest you always know what you're getting. Final Fantasy changes constantly.</quote> Dragon Quest doesn't change at all but I think people forget how FF has a really long history of being different. 1 - party of 4 from 6 jobs 2 - no jobs at all, no levels. Just skills that each have to be raised differently 3 - jobs that you can change any time you want 4 - everything is predetermined 5 - 3 but in ATB 6 - Like 2 again but with Levels as a baseline. Every character has a unique ability that further set them apart. There's also equipment restrictions 7 - blank slate jobless characters again where you have to raise individual skills except your skills are equipment and you can change them or re equip them on other characters. 8 - draw junction enemies have level ranges wtf lol 9 - basically it's FF4 again. 10 - weird summon system, otherwise nothing really new in this game 12 - RTWP combat and license board that otherwise means all characters are identical like FF2 13 - Don't do drugs kids 15 - full on ARPG </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 04/13/20 12:53:20 AM #30:	Tyranthraxus posted... Dragon Quest doesn't change at all but I think people forget how FF has a really long history of being different. 1 - party of 4 from 6 jobs 2 - no jobs at all, no levels. Just skills that each have to be raised differently 3 - jobs that you can change any time you want 4 - everything is predetermined 5 - 3 but in ATB 6 - Like 2 again but with Levels as a baseline. Every character has a unique ability that further set them apart. There's also equipment restrictions 7 - blank slate jobless characters again where you have to raise individual skills except your skills are equipment and you can change them or re equip them on other characters. 8 - draw junction enemies have level ranges wtf lol 9 - basically it's FF4 again. 10 - weird summon system, otherwise nothing really new in this game 12 - RTWP combat and license board that otherwise means all characters are identical like FF2 13 - Don't do drugs kids 15 - full on ARPG Oh yeah Final Fantasy has always been like this, it isn't a new thing. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:937293534] in Why Are Re... [t:78575806]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Dragon Quest doesn't change at all but I think people forget how FF has a really long history of being different. 1 - party of 4 from 6 jobs 2 - no jobs at all, no levels. Just skills that each have to be raised differently 3 - jobs that you can change any time you want 4 - everything is predetermined 5 - 3 but in ATB 6 - Like 2 again but with Levels as a baseline. Every character has a unique ability that further set them apart. There's also equipment restrictions 7 - blank slate jobless characters again where you have to raise individual skills except your skills are equipment and you can change them or re equip them on other characters. 8 - draw junction enemies have level ranges wtf lol 9 - basically it's FF4 again. 10 - weird summon system, otherwise nothing really new in this game 12 - RTWP combat and license board that otherwise means all characters are identical like FF2 13 - Don't do drugs kids 15 - full on ARPG</quote>Oh yeah Final Fantasy has always been like this, it isn't a new thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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