Current Events > Controversial question (pls dont mod me) but could pedophilia be genetic?

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And if so...shouldn't pedophiles be put on the same pedestal as say, gays and the LGBT community? Why does the latter get to be accepted in society by the same grounds of genetic inheritance but pedophilia cannot be?

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to any mods reading, look this is a legit question I've always wondered about. If it's too controversial ,feel free to remove.

For fuck's sake it's all in the words "consent" and "statutory." Look up the meanings of those words and don't post here anymore.

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evil_zombie11 posted...

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well, think about it. We're all born different. Genes determine A LOT about our future lives. Who's to say some are just born with unlucky traits that doesnt conform to society?

Allen is readying the football and a mod is about to push the button

Iirc, psychologists declared pedophilia an orientation last year or so

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An_Actual_Chad posted...

For fuck's sake it's all in the words "consent" and "statutory." Look up the meanings of those words and don't post here anymore.

you know there are pedophiles that dont actually commit crime, right? there's a lot who restrain from doing actual sexual acts yet they always still have the natural urge

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Iirc, psychologists declared pedophilia an orientation last year or so

yeah, because if anyone dares defend pedophilia, they'd be negative labelled and criticized as well. What person would want do that?

Look how long it took for the gay community to finally rise from stigma and discrimination. For decades, psychologists themselves would insist being gay was merely a choice. jeez literally since the beg. of human civilisation, gays have been persecuted.
It's the Matthew effect. The worse off get even more worse off and worse off.... the better off get even more better off

i am absolutely not defending pedophiles

there have been studies to prove that pedophiles cannot help themselves. they have a predisposition to be attracted to young children. and the recidivism rate for pedophiles is really high as well. they've conditioned themselves on their sexual attraction. they're suddenly not going to start being interested in older women.

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It's fine if you keep to yourself and don't act on it

But good friggin luck with that, because we're also genetically animals that have tendencies that can ruin the innocent.

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thebatz posted...

i am absolutely not defending pedophiles

there have been studies to prove that pedophiles cannot help themselves. they have a predisposition to be attracted to young children. and the recidivism rate for pedophiles is really high as well. they've conditioned themselves on their sexual attraction. they're suddenly not going to start being interested in older women.

exactly! similiar to how you can't recondition a gay to be straight. Hope my topic makes more sense now

also again, a disclaimer, those who do commit pedophilia acts against others are completely justified to be prosecuted under the law and I do find it immoral obviously, since it breaches the will of others and of consent.

If we were to talk about consent by two parties though...do we really want to get into that debate?

I don't support pedophiles, but I do think there should be actual help or rehabilitation programs they can volunteer for BEFORE they act on their impulses and get convicted. Yet that's a controversial stance somehow.

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glad to see CE hasn't changed in these challenging times.

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What?
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Pepys Monster posted...

I don't support pedophiles, but I do think there should be actual help or rehabilitation programs they can volunteer for BEFORE they act on their impulses and get convicted. Yet that's a controversial stance somehow.

Should we take pity on these people though? Or is it moral for society to vilify pedophiles even for those that have not acted on their urges?

IIRC, there's some big differences in pedophilia mentally than just sexual preference. It's a deeper issue than people thinking babies are hot

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CE gonna CE.

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I don't think pedophilia or homosexuality is genetic.

That just sees like a misunderstanding of "WEll it's factually not a choice. Therefore it has to be genetic" which isn't true

Also WTF @ homosexuals being "Put on a pedastal" they don't even get equal rights.

Pedophiles who commit no crimes shouldn't be villified, thought crime is stupid. But they shouldn't be revered either because absuing children is wrong.

Consentual adults being in love is right and that should be accepted and celebrated. Even if they are the same sex.

These aren't hard to understand TC.

Hell by your logic shouldn't your own (presumably hetrosexual desires) be "Put on the same pedastal" as pedophiles too if you believe it's all genetic and equal?

You just haven't thought this through
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thebatz posted...

there have been studies to prove that pedophiles cannot help themselves.

Bullshit. Everyone is capable of self control.

Anyone who fantasizes about sex acts with children is too dangerous to be left alive.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't think pedophilia or homosexuality is genetic.

That just sees like a misunderstanding of "WEll it's factually not a choice. Therefore it has to be genetic" which isn't true

Also WTF @ homosexuals being "Put on a pedastal" they don't even get equal rights.

Pedophiles who commit no crimes shouldn't be villified, thought crime is stupid. But they shouldn't be revered either because absuing children is wrong.

Consentual adults being in love is right and that should be accepted and celebrated. Even if they are the same sex.

These aren't hard to understand TC.

Hell by your logic shouldn't your own (presumably hetrosexual desires) be "Put on the same pedastal" as pedophiles too if you believe it's all genetic and equal?

You just haven't thought this through

You're right there's no data evidence as of today but that's because of the enormous controversy which puts off any reputable scientist from trying to do any research whatsoever. Usually persecution is broken through by advocacy and activism by the victims. But what pedophile in their right mind would dare advocate for their love for children in the first place? That's why they're forever stuck in persecution by society.

But if it is one day shown to be a fact pedophilia is genetic...what then? Or if you were to even consider the possibility of it being genetic?

Consentual adults being in love is right and that should be accepted and celebrated. Even if they are the same sex.

here I can bring in the more controversial but more grounded debate on consent.
what would you think then... of a child and adult who both consent to a relationship and love each other? If we were to believe in freedom and individualism and 'age is just a number'...why should society then intervene in love between two people regardless of age? Isn't it so ironic?

Fossil posted...

Bullshit. Everyone is capable of self control.

You missed his point

His point was "A pedophile can't just stop desiring children" anymore than you can decide you desire fridges

You can tell people that you desire fridges
Marry a fridge
Hump a fridge

But you don't desire it. You can't control that.

Telling a pedophile "Just go be attracted to adults" is like telling you "Just go be attracted to a fridge" you're not capable of doing it. Doesn't matter how much pressure is put on you, you will never be able to do it.

He's not saying pedophiles have to abuse children, he's saying there is no "Cure" for the desires of their brains.
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genetic? hell no
more like a product of a twisted society

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Wutobliteration posted...

You're right there's no data evidence as of today but that's because of the enormous controversy which puts off any reputable scientist from trying to do any research whatsoever. Usually persecution is broken through by advocacy and activism by the victims.

That's a circular argument and you know it.

"There's only no evidence because no one is looking" Therefore the world is merely a Pig's dream

But what pedophile in their right mind would dare advocate for their love for children in the first place? That's why they're forever stuck in persecution by society.

I do think this is a valid point.

I suspect most pedophiles never tell anyone. It must be a nightmarish existance of lies, self-hatred and prepetually fear.

I think it's just one of the many many reasons Mental Healthcare needs to be improved. People are punished and afraid of looking abnormal so much that few get help

But if it is one day shown to be a fact pedophilia is genetic...what then?

I'd be shocked

But the response to the revelation would depend on what was discovered

Or if you were to even consider the possibility of it being genetic?

Sure but you do evidence first, then base off the evidence.

I'm not religious. I'm open the possibilities of close to anything, you just need some evidence for it first

How would react if the World was just a Pig's dream?

Wutobliteration posted...

what would you think then... of a child and adult who both consent to a relationship and love each other? If we were to believe in freedom and individualism and 'age is just a number'...why should society then intervene in love between two people regardless of age?

Children can't consent.

Their brains haven't fully developed and they don't comprehend deeper concepts, that's the entire point and why it's so fucked up.

The fact you think children can consent is troubling.
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That's a circular argument and you know it.

"There's only no evidence because no one is looking" Therefore the world is merely a Pig's dream

no, it's not. It's being open-minded. If you don't consider other plausible reasons for possibilities it inevitably leads to human bias taking a stance, that too, is unfounded.

FYI it's never been proven being gay is genetic either, yet society has embraced it as being 'natural' with the word 'natural' just being a placeholder here for assurance of saying 'hey look, we still accept you for who you are even though scientifically, your sexual orientation may very well actually just be by choice.'

I do think this is a valid point.

I suspect most pedophiles never tell anyone. It must be a nightmarish existance of lies, self-hatred and prepetually fear.

I think it's just one of the many many reasons Mental Healthcare needs to be improved. People are punished and afraid of looking abnormal so much that few get help

what constitutes a mental disorder though? And why should pedophilia be considered as one? If you associate it with a mental disorder, you're already stigmatising them. Of course, I do agree, help is needed for them to control their urges. I'm guessing most just fap to child porn at home, but even authorities are clamping down on that. Funnily, such clamping down simply encourages the pedophiles to turn to crime instead

How would react if the World was just a Pig's dream?

I don't know what you mean by 'Pig's dream' here. If you mean this world could be some matrix or something...uhhh, that's another philo discussion for another day

Children can't consent.

Their brains haven't fully developed and they don't comprehend deeper concepts, that's the entire point and why it's so f***ed up.

The fact you think children can consent is troubling.

depends how old the child is, don't you think? Look at where countries draw the line of what's considered underaged for example. In some countries, it's even legal to marry when you're as young as 13. That's in Japan. Some African countries have it even lower.

Tbh, I think asexuality is the most correct orientation. A lot of shit is arbitrary. Humans are really just humans.

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Wutobliteration posted...

no, it's not. It's being open-minded. If you don't consider other plausible reasons for possibilities it inevitably leads to human bias taking a stance, that too, is unfounded.

FYI it's never been proven being gay is genetic either, yet society has embraced it as being 'natural' with the word 'natural' just being a placeholder here for assurance of saying 'hey look, we still accept you for who you are even though scientifically, your sexual orientation may very well actually just be by choice.'

Literally the first thing I said In the topic is that calling it genetic is not understanding what "It's not a choice" means

And you've proven it. It's not the case of "It's either a concious choice or there is a gene"

Wutobliteration posted...

what constitutes a mental disorder though? And why should pedophilia be considered as one? If you associate it with a mental disorder, you're already stigmatising them. Of course, I do agree, help is needed for them to control their urges. I'm guessing most just fap to child porn at home, but even authorities are clamping down on that. Funnily, such clamping down simply encourages the pedophiles to turn to crime instead

wot

Wutobliteration posted...

I don't know what you mean by 'Pig's dream' here. If you mean this world could be some matrix or something...uhhh, that's another philo discussion for another day

My point is that your approach of "Well there's no evidence for it so therefore we need to accept it until it's disproven" is not how logic works

It's now how you share ideas or have discussions. It's more akin to madness.

You're going "Well it is genetic even though no one has any evidence of it but the fact there is no evidence for it shows that it must be true" is boarderline religion

Wutobliteration posted...

depends how old the child is, don't you think? Look at where countries draw the line of what's considered underaged for example. In some countries, it's even legal to marry when you're as young as 13. That's in Japan. Some African countries have it even lower.

Actually your understanding of Japan is slightly wrong there. It's 13 if the other person is under 19.

But regardless, yeah that's wrong.

I'm not following your point here. "Some people do evil things therefore it's okay"?

Saudi Arabia is throwing homosexuals off roofs and not giving women basic rights.

If Scotland tomorrow decided to cut off everyone's left arm under law, that wouldn't make it a good thing to do. Just because someone did it.

You're not making a point here aside from accidentally demosntrating that "Well lots of people did X" doesn't mean X is a good idea.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Literally the first thing I said In the topic is that calling it genetic is not understanding what "It's not a choice" means

And you've proven it. It's not the case of "It's either a concious choice or there is a gene"

wot

My point is that your approach of "Well there's no evidence for it so therefore we need to accept it until it's disproven" is not how logic works

It's now how you share ideas or have discussions. It's more akin to madness.

You're going "Well it is genetic even though no one has any evidence of it but the fact there is no evidence for it shows that it must be true" is boarderline religion

Actually your understanding of Japan is slightly wrong there. It's 13 if the other person is under 19.

But regardless, yeah that's wrong.

I'm not following your point here. "Some people do evil things therefore it's okay"?

Saudi Arabia is throwing homosexuals off roofs and not giving women basic rights.

If Scotland tomorrow decided to cut off everyone's left arm under law, that wouldn't make it a good thing to do. Just because someone did it.

You're not making a point here aside from accidentally demosntrating that "Well lots of people did X" doesn't mean X is a good idea.\

My point is that your approach of "Well there's no evidence for it so therefore we need to accept it until it's disproven" is not how logic works

It's now how you share ideas or have discussions. It's more akin to madness.

You're going "Well it is genetic even though no one has any evidence of it but the fact there is no evidence for it shows that it must be true" is boarderline religion

Since when ever did I say this? I just said, 'consider the possibility'.
It's better to be open-minded. Don't jump to conclusions. Which is strongly advocated unless you want to be constantly mislead by human bias and logical fallacies.

The only opposite of open-minded is close-minded, which is the problem of what happens to most people. We don't have proof, so we turn to the most convenient option of believing what conforms to our pre-existing bias. In this case, we think 'all pedophiles are bad just 'cos they're pedophiles'. To even consider pedophillia is genetic is absolutely abhorrent people would rather not even investigate

It's funny you bring up religion but that's exactly how religion remained strong for so many centuries or throughout most of mankind and into the Dark Ages. Because we'd rather not investigate the 'What-if's' but rather stick to status quo. No one ventured into science out of fear and lack of conformance to society.

Literally the first thing I said In the topic is that calling it genetic is not understanding what "It's not a choice" means

And you've proven it. It's not the case of "It's either a concious choice or there is a gene"

Again, please try quoting any part in all my posts where I claimed or asserted or said I believe pedophiles are genetic??

I'm not following your point here. "Some people do evil things therefore it's okay"?

I don't think you've been following my point in topic all this time at all. I'm only pointing out...all this entire time... that contentious issues not backed by facts are always subjective but people instead treat what should be subjective as what they think is factual.

for here, you claimed how children's brains haven't fully developed...to which case, I ask...at what age do you think a child's brain develops then? What is by your deifintion, a fully development of a brain?

By right You still have dummy 25-year old adults acting like little kids. I can say these adults brains aren't fully developed either.

Meanwhile science says our brain is only fully developed at 25 years old. If so, why are we already allowed to have sex and even marry at 18 years old? Some countries allow even younger than that,

Again, it's subjective. Agree, no?

here's an interesting article on this
https://bigthink.com/mind-brain/adult-brain?rebelltitem=3#rebelltitem3

this is some 1980s shit