Current Events > Sanders is dropping out

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Progressive polices do not need to come through Bernie, and clearly they were never going to come through him.

Name one other politician with a comparable record to Sanders.

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ThyCorndog posted...

have you considered that it's not a cult because it's not particularly about bernie but rather about social democracy vs neoliberalism? if I don't want to vote for biden, it's not because my cult leader didn't win, but because I don't have a motivation to pick the lesser of two evils. I already did that in 2016 and look how that turned out

How do you explain Warren then? Why did/do Bernie supporters hate Warren?

You can literally see it in this topic.
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I have the biggest smile on my face right now.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

There are no sources showing voter suppression led to his demise in Washington and Michigan. Please show proof.

I suspect even if this was a heavy factor that under the current circumstances it wouldn't be reported on. The media has been shilling strongly for Biden. We already know that gerrymandering is very legal and very cool. I'm not saying I know for certain this happened but I suspect it since it happens all the fucking time in America, especially when the right has an opportunity to influence voting.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

How do you explain Warren then? Why did/do Bernie supporters hate Warren?

You can literally see it in this topic.

take five fucking minutes to look at warren's career and track recording on policies

people who didn't fall for her facade saw her as an opportunist from miles away, and it didnt shock us when she didnt endorse him after she dropped out.
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And nothing of value was lost.

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Bernie put up such a gutless performance. What a disappointment.

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P4wn4g3 posted...

The media has been shilling strongly for Biden.

The media all declared his campaign dead after Iowa and NH. You're making shit up instead of taking an honest look at how poorly Bernie ran his campaign.

645AR posted...

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/10/michigan-localities-juggling-rise-same-day-voter-registration/5004002002/

now shut up

no, its a 14% swing in selected towns from people who are doing same day vote registration (which is the opposite of voter suppression) it needs to improve for sure but thats not proof They, the DNC, purposely conspired with state officials to target Bernie Sanders supporters

Moreover many of the newer, not mail in votes, were fucking things up for Bernie because they voted for people already off the ballot and people started consolidating around Biden

Damn_Underscore posted...

How do you explain Warren then? Why did/do Bernie supporters hate Warren?

You can literally see it in this topic.

probably cause she refused to side with the candidate supposedly closest to her when he needed it. I see how someone might think that means "aha, see! you wanted her to support your cult leader!". but the reality is that he was closer to winning than she was. sanders would have consolidated his base with hers if it was the other way around. when push came to shove, she didn't live up to what people thought she was

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P4wn4g3 posted...

I suspect even if this was a heavy factor that under the current circumstances it wouldn't be reported on. The media has been shilling strongly for Biden. We already know that gerrymandering is very legal and very cool. I'm not saying I know for certain this happened but I suspect it since it happens all the fucking time in America, especially when the right has an opportunity to influence voting.

Biden was winning non educated whites and overall black votes in Michigan. So how did the DNC conspire to target Bernie voters without hurting those voters?

They, the DNC, purposely conspired with state officials to target Bernie Sanders supporters

why did this happen significantly in areas who stand to gain the most for his progressive platforms?
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ZMythos posted...

Name one other politician with a comparable record to Sanders.

What has Bernie done besides have consistent views in 30 years in Congress?

Having progressive views/supporting progressive policies is not exclusive to Bernie Sanders. Vote for other progressive candidates for Congress if you support them. Sanders was a divisive candidate, and that is why he lost. Progressive candidates don't have to be divisive.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Bernie's brand of democratic socialism has not been politically viable in the west since the 70s/80s where it led to economic crisis. The UK and Sweden are great examples of that. Bernie IS the same type of politician as Corbyn which is why they both got dunked on.

Bernie has admitted he has to work with what he's given, let's not get off into the weeds here about him suddenly transforming the world when fucking nobody has that power.

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ThyCorndog posted...

which is basically what I said

Yes but I'm saying Corbyn represented a return to old labor and subsequently lost badly. It's no more viable in Europe than it is in the US. Labor and the Democratic party both moved away from collectivism around the same time.

CruelBuffalo posted...

Biden was winning non educated whites and overall black votes in Michigan. So how did the DNC conspire to target Bernie voters without hurting those voters?

oh geez this is a pretty significant yikes for me
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Well.. Shit

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Yes but I'm saying Corbyn represented a return to old labor and subsequently lost badly. It's no more viable in Europe than it is in the US. Labor and the Democratic party both moved away from collectivism around the same time.

I'm not making a viability argument at all. I'm saying sanders isnt far left or whatever. Hes just a normal labor politician like in Britain and elsewhere. I didnt say anything past that but you keep on extrapolating on shit cause you like to rant

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Damn_Underscore posted...

What has Bernie done besides have consistent views in 30 years in Congress?

Having progressive views/supporting progressive policies is not exclusive to Bernie Sanders. Vote for other progressive candidates for Congress if you support them. Sanders was a divisive candidate, and that is why he lost. Progressive candidates don't have to be divisive.

what made him divisive again? because people didnt support warren?

you know if I worked for the DNC this would be textbook gold for the establishment playbook
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645AR posted...

take five fucking minutes to look at warren's career and track recording on policies

people who didn't fall for her facade saw her as an opportunist from miles away, and it didnt shock us when she didnt endorse him after she dropped out.

Oh ok, she wasn't a "real" progressive.

Can you see how this divisiveness may have turned away voters? Not that it came from Bernie himself (at least not the anti-Warren stuff), but Bernie's fanbase was heavily criticized in the last few months for good reason.
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645AR posted...

oh geez this is a pretty significant yikes for me

Yikes for what? Those are the groups most likely to be targeted with voter suppression by having difficult polling places because Republicans dont want their votes. So how did the DNC find a way to allow them to vote since they overwhelmingly supported Biden but now allow Bernie supporters to
vote. You are a damaging to a progressive movement by being uneducated and throwing out conspiracy theories and talking out of your butt about things you know nothing about.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

The media all declared his campaign dead after Iowa and NH. You're making shit up instead of taking an honest look at how poorly Bernie ran his campaign.

Uh, the media never stopped talking about Biden even before he entered the race. They pointed out he was doing poorly for a period of time sure but they never did any single candidate the favor of pointing out their excellent points and comparing them across the board. Biden ranks very low on that list. I have seen them shamelessly bring in people who think Biden is some sort of savior. I don't know where they find these people because I've never talked to anybody who has a great view of Biden, so I have to assume the DNC just mail ordered them.

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sucks. he was the best candidate.
oh well, Biden time.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Oh ok, she wasn't a "real" progressive.

Can you see how this divisiveness may have turned away voters? Not that it came from Bernie himself (at least not the anti-Warren stuff), but Bernie's fanbase was heavily criticized in the last few months for good reason.

bro theres plenty of real progressives in the house that didnt run for president

theres plenty of real progressives in local municipalities that didnt run for president

how are you not getting this? the only thing Warren was was a convenient excuse for people like you to go "SEE! bernie bros are divisive!"

when literally if you actually looked up her track record she was very conservative for most of her political career and didnt become a "progressive" until very recently, and even then she has had to backtrack claims shes made AS a progressive that were very unprogressive like
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645AR posted...

what made him divisive again? because people didnt support warren?

you know if I worked for the DNC this would be textbook gold for the establishment playbook

His entire campaign was how the workers need to overthrow the ruling class (not literally of course, but it had that sentiment - and it certainly explains the behavior of his fanbase)
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Damn_Underscore posted...

His entire campaign was how the workers need to overthrow the ruling class (not literally of course, but it had that sentiment - and it certainly explains the behavior of his fanbase)

thats sort of hyperbole

but if it means being devisive with the ruling class, whats the problem?
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ThyCorndog posted...

have you considered that it's not a cult because it's not particularly about bernie but rather about social democracy vs neoliberalism? if I don't want to vote for biden, it's not because my cult leader didn't win, but because I don't have a motivation to pick the lesser of two evils. I already did that in 2016 and look how that turned out

How do you think it'll turn out when the greater of two evils wins again?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

How do you think it'll turn out when the greater of two evils wins again?

seems like a DNC problem
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Tyranthraxus posted...

How do you think it'll turn out when the greater of two evils wins again?

Not good, like it already happened in 2016. You don't think I realize that inherently the greater evil is worse than the lesser evil? Like, literally by definition

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P4wn4g3 posted...

They pointed out he was doing poorly for a period of time sure

lol

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1233946811787669505

His campaign was declared dead. The "establishment" wasn't even donating to him anymore. You can continue to do this but it only hurts your own movement.

645AR posted...

seems like a DNC problem

This affects more people than the DNC.

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God the DNC and GOP need to be nuked.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

lol

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1233946811787669505

His campaign was declared dead. The "establishment" wasn't even donating to him anymore. You can continue to do this but it only hurts your own movement.

They kept talking about him even when he was doing bad. I'm not sure what's difficult to understand here. It's the same reason Hillary's attempt to smear Trump ended up just giving him a massive endorsement, he's all people heard about.

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stop calling it the DNC

Like I said in the other topic it's like calling the Republicans/GOP the RNC

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BERNIE or BUST!!!!!!!

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645AR posted...

bro theres plenty of real progressives in the house that didnt run for president

theres plenty of real progressives in local municipalities that didnt run for president

how are you not getting this? the only thing Warren was was a convenient excuse for people like you to go "SEE! bernie bros are divisive!"

when literally if you actually looked up her track record she was very conservative for most of her political career and didnt become a "progressive" until very recently, and even then she has had to backtrack claims shes made AS a progressive that were very unprogressive like

So Warren was acting like a progressive for this election, while secretly being conservative and trying to divide Bernie voters? In the end she would either get elected President and be conservative or she would lose and endorse a conservative Democrat (basically a Republican!) and try to ruin any chance that Bernie had.

See, I think between that scenario above and being relatively conservative at one point in her life (she was Republican for awhile, as you know) and becoming progressive over the last 20 years, one of them is a lot more plausible

Bernie isn't better because he's had the same views for 30+ years (which isn't 100% true, but whatever). Bernie simply wasn't that good of a presidential candidate, someone else with progressive views will come along every election probably.
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reminder: bernie sanders has been a democrat only for the recent portion of his entire political career

why is it such an uprising when he doesn't win the democratic nomination? how is this a conspiracy? he's not a democrat and the voting shows that he doesn't have the support of most democrats.

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The Trent posted...

reminder: bernie sanders has been a democrat only for the recent portion of his entire political career

why is it such an uprising when he doesn't win the democratic nomination? how is this a conspiracy? he's not a democrat and the voting shows that he doesn't have the support of most democrats.

it's a tantrum essentially

the supporters of his who say that kinda stuff wanted the revolution handed to them on a silver platter

they wanted the primary to be a coronation

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Doom_Art posted...

stop calling it the DNC

Like I said in the other topic it's like calling the Republicans/GOP the RNC

that would be true if we were talking in say 2014

but the GOP pretty much absorbed all the republican base so they essentially are one in the same

whereas there is still a divide between DNC establishment and progressive liberals
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Yikes for what? Those are the groups most likely to be targeted with voter suppression by having difficult polling places because Republicans dont want their votes. So how did the DNC find a way to allow them to vote since they overwhelmingly supported Biden but now allow Bernie supporters to
vote. You are a damaging to a progressive movement by being uneducated and throwing out conspiracy theories and talking out of your butt about things you know nothing about.

I'm honestly surprised he hasn't blocked you yet. He blocked a bunch of pretty quick the other day when we called him out on his obvious concern trolling.
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Let's be honest...the current way we handle voting is pretty inconvenient for younger voters. Many younger voters are stuck in retail/service jobs with odd hours/off days. Many of those people are also taking classes on top of working. They can't afford to take a day off either. And unless I'm mistaken, you usually need a valid reason for a mail in ballot. And I remember when I went to look for early voting places, a lot of those places closed fairly early. I think the one I went to closed at like 7 or 8.

It's part of the reason the younger generation likes to do everything over the internet. Time constraints aren't so much of an issue.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Let's be honest...the current way we handle voting is pretty inconvenient for younger voters. Many younger voters are stuck in retail/service jobs with odd hours/off days. Many of those people are also taking classes on top of working. They can't afford to take a day off either. And unless I'm mistaken, you usually need a valid reason for a mail in ballot. And I remember when I went to look for early voting places, a lot of those places closed fairly early. I think the one I went to closed at like 7 or 8.

It's part of the reason the younger generation likes to do everything over the internet. Time constraints aren't so much of an issue.

Many young voters want others to vote cause they're too lazy to do it themselves. I don't see many people on here talking about going out to vote. They rather stay at home and play video games all day.

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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Many young voters want others to vote cause they're too lazy to do it themselves. I don't see many people on here talking about going out to vote. They rather stay at home and play video games all day.

tell us how you really feel
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You do not need a reason to vote by mail lol. You're literally arguing that there's a massive voter suppression campaign against young white people but not the older black voters who went for Biden. Bernie is never running again you can stop this delusion.

On the subject of young voters, I heard a coworker of mine, who can't be more than 20 or so, say that Sanders' socialism "is about giving more power to old people instead of young people."

I have no idea what the fuck she was on about, but my hunch is that that's the sort of young person who doesn't vote, not the engaged Bernie volunteers who people are quick to lash out at in topics like these.

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I don't see many people on here talking about going out to vote

My state hasn't voted yet.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

You do not need a reason to vote by mail lol. You're literally arguing that there's a massive voter suppression campaign against young white people but not the older black voters who went for Biden. Bernie is never running again you can stop this delusion.

Crazy isn't it? Young white liberals are supposed to be smart and educated (at least they think they are), but they can't find their way to the voting booth, whille older black folks who are supposedly suppressed went out to vote in droves.

If this is not further proof of Liberal colleges dumbing people down, I don't know what is. And do young liberals even know how to use snail mail? Do they know where to put the stamp?

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All the people who spent months whining about the tone of rando Sanders supporters on Twitter won't have shit to say about this

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1247985745761099777

Best of luck to the Democratic Party in November.

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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

If this is not further proof of Liberal colleges dumbing people down, I don't know what is.

Most young people do not attend college. Furthermore, exit polling suggests Biden won among college educated white voters.
https://nbcnews.to/39VHmBt
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/03/05/black-voters-college-educated-whites-powered-joe-biden-to-texas-victory/
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Oof, rough couple of weeks for the communist left in the Americas.

• Correa condemned to prison and inhabilitated
• Lula still in prison
• Maduro has a bounty on his ass
• Alberto Fernandez has 26% approval rating
• Evo Morales outed like a little bitch.
• Bernie felt the bern and dropped out

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