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au_gold
04/03/20 1:59:01 PM
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Is he?





What do people think?

Be honest.

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CreepySmile
04/03/20 2:00:01 PM
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I honestly have no idea how to vote. I don't know much about all the presidents but at the very least he's gotta be in the bottom 10 on the corruption alone.

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ThePieReborn
04/03/20 2:00:24 PM
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Top 5 for me to poop on.

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Gafemage
04/03/20 2:00:42 PM
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Yes, he's the best president of all time.

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CADE FOSTER
04/03/20 2:00:47 PM
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Top 1 criminal and fucking moron
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K181
04/03/20 2:01:06 PM
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Anyone that thinks he is either already had a lobotomy or probably could have a lobotomy without anyone noticing.

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Mareen
04/03/20 2:02:03 PM
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Lmao no.

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GallisOTK
04/03/20 2:02:55 PM
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Absolutely the worst. Even the one who died like a month into his term due to pneumonia was better because at least he didn't have time to cause any damage.
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TiffanyBlews
04/03/20 2:03:16 PM
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Is this a joke? Hes the worst president ever.
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Lost_All_Senses
04/03/20 2:03:21 PM
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He's not the worst, but Im betting on that being because you're always in front of a camera these days.

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Tired-Insomniac
04/03/20 2:04:01 PM
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GallisOTK posted...
Absolutely the worst. Even the one who died like a month into his term due to pneumonia was better because at least he didn't have time to cause any damage.

Eh I'd put the one behind the trail of years as worst, but Trump is a very close second.

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K181
04/03/20 2:05:44 PM
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Now wait a second.... let's pause here really quick. Trump is probably the most incompetent president ever, and likely the most corrupt as well, but fucking Buchanan still reigns supreme as the shittiest president ever.

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Resaix
04/03/20 2:06:29 PM
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K181 posted...
Anyone that thinks he is either already had a lobotomy or probably could have a lobotomy without anyone noticing.
I like this answer
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inloveanddeath0
04/03/20 2:07:31 PM
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He won't ever be on a bill

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645AR
04/03/20 2:08:51 PM
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id imagine there were at least 10 slave owners and KKK card holding presidents so bottom 5 president probably not

but hes in the bottom half, bottom third even
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ThePieReborn
04/03/20 2:12:03 PM
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K181 posted...
Now wait a second.... let's pause here really quick. Trump is probably the most incompetent president ever, and likely the most corrupt as well, but fucking Buchanan still reigns supreme as the shittiest president ever.
Honestly I give the bottom slot to Andrew Johnson, but the bread presidents of the Civil War Sandwich are guaranteed bottom 2 slots regardless.

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DevsBro
04/03/20 2:13:41 PM
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Eh, he's probably above bottom five but he's certainly near the bottom.

Don't forget the namesake of the Hooverville, the one who dropped the bomb, the one credited for the Civil War, the one who nearly undid the Civil War and the one everyone wants removed from currency. I'm no history buff so I'm guessing there are a few more contenders too.

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K181
04/03/20 2:13:52 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
Honestly I give the bottom slot to Andrew Johnson, but the bread presidents of the Civil War Sandwich are guaranteed bottom 2 slots regardless.

Acceptable bottom two pairing.

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Pitlord_Special
04/03/20 2:15:54 PM
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Id say hes the worst since the dawn of the 20th century


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K181
04/03/20 2:16:48 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Eh, he's probably above bottom five but he's certainly near the bottom.

Don't forget the namesake of the Hooverville, the one who dropped the bomb, the one credited for the Civil War, the one who nearly undid the Civil War and the one everyone wants removed from currency. I'm guessing there's

Hoover got unfair blame for Coolidge's shitty administration. Ineffective, but he still did more to address the financial panic than any previous president in history had done in their panics.

Truman was arguably the first pro civil rights president that actually acted on it, prioritized civililian control of the military during a time of continued military growth, oversaw a successful transition to a peacetime economy, and was a primary guarantor of European democracy at the advent of the Cold War.

Hoover was a mediocre at worst president and Truman is widely considered one of the exceptional presidents.

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645AR
04/03/20 2:18:33 PM
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truman went to KKK conventions and mass genocided millions of people
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NinjaWarrior455
04/03/20 2:18:51 PM
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Johnson, Jackson, Buchanan, Hoover, Reagan, Bush Jr. You could also put Nixon up there for extending the Vietnam war. Depending on how the rest of this virus response plays out with him in office he might move up the list of worst considerably.

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Bestoffuture
04/03/20 2:19:04 PM
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Buchanan, Pierce, Johnson, Jackson are worse. Trump and Reagan are tied for fiftH worst.

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RamboCell29
04/03/20 2:21:21 PM
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Before Covid-19 he was doing fine. The economy was booming.

Now, his big economic accomplishment may be nullified completely. Depending on how things shake up he could be bottom 5 easily.

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K181
04/03/20 2:23:31 PM
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645AR posted...
truman went to KKK conventions and mass genocided millions of people

Regarding the klan, that's a fat nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics#Harry_S._Truman

Regarding the genocide, source please.

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ThePieReborn
04/03/20 2:25:06 PM
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K181 posted...
Regarding the genocide, source please.
I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and say he's referencing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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645AR
04/03/20 2:25:17 PM
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Regarding the genocide, source please.


middle school history class
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soysturm
04/03/20 2:27:30 PM
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I'd love to see some sources and actual claims as to why this is the worst administration of all time, rather than just "he's corrupt so yes"

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K181
04/03/20 2:27:33 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and say he's referencing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So then not genocide and not millions?

645AR posted...
middle school history class

You went to a bad school then.

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645AR
04/03/20 2:28:32 PM
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my bad hundreds of thousands

still genocide
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Caution999
04/03/20 2:28:34 PM
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They should consider getting Trump onto Mount Rushmore tbh.

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K181
04/03/20 2:29:53 PM
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645AR posted...
my bad hundreds of thousands

still genocide

Not under any interpretation of a genocide, nope.

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645AR
04/03/20 2:33:26 PM
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K181 posted...


Not under any interpretation of a genocide, nope.


>did hundreds of thousands of people die?
>were they killed?

i think two yes answers falls under genocide
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bluezero
04/03/20 2:34:29 PM
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RamboCell29 posted...
Before Covid-19 he was doing fine.


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soysturm
04/03/20 2:39:46 PM
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645AR posted...
>did hundreds of thousands of people die?
>were they killed?

i think two yes answers falls under genocide

They weren't killed because they were Japanese

By this definition you could declare basically any war a genocide, as there's really no reason to limit yourself to hundreds of thousands of people

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645AR
04/03/20 2:40:19 PM
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soysturm posted...


They weren't killed because they were Japanese


no one said they were
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Houston
04/03/20 2:40:22 PM
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"Trump is bad because he wants to enforce the rule of law and the economy is (was) great! waaahh!"

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TheMikh
04/03/20 2:40:39 PM
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  1. washington
  2. lincoln
  3. polk
  4. adams
  5. jefferson


trump arguably in the top 10-15 though

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K181
04/03/20 2:41:17 PM
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645AR posted...
>did hundreds of thousands of people die?
>were they killed?

i think two yes answers falls under genocide

So any wartime action is a genocide, especially during the bloodiest conflict in human history?

Nope. Genocide is the deliberate action intended to eradicate an ethnic, national, or religious group. Bombing a city is not an act of genocide, and it's always worth reminding that traditional firebombing campaigns killed far more people than the nukings.

The atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were assuredly tragic, but they were essentially "just" an escalation of the accepted tactics of the day from hundreds of bombers dropping thousands of bombs to one bomber dropping a single bomb.

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soysturm
04/03/20 2:42:22 PM
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645AR posted...
no one said they were
Well then it's not genocide

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Bishop9800
04/03/20 2:44:13 PM
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Caution999 posted...
They should consider getting Trump onto Mount Rushmore tbh.


Dude. Just stop.

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TheMikh
04/03/20 2:45:23 PM
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as far as the worst go: buchanan, a. johnson, harrison (died before he did anything); the rest are up for debate

not fond of wilson, fdr, lbj, but all had very effective tenures, if the consequences are to be overlooked

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645AR
04/03/20 2:48:24 PM
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genocide - the deliberate killing of a large group of people

i think dropping two atomic bombs is pretty deliberate but idk maybe it was an accident
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K181
04/03/20 2:52:43 PM
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645AR posted...
genocide - the deliberate killing of a large group of people

i think dropping two atomic bombs is pretty deliberate but idk maybe it was an accident

Way to very obviously quote only the first couple words of a definition. That'd mean literally any military operation is a genocide.

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TheMikh
04/03/20 2:56:39 PM
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645AR posted...
genocide - the deliberate killing of a large group of people

i think dropping two atomic bombs is pretty deliberate but idk maybe it was an accident
it was deliberate, by no means an accident

i'd go so far as to say that allied acts of genocide during ww2 were not limited to the nukes, though they were the most noteworthy atrocities of truman's tenure (well, that and atrocities during the korean war)

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645AR
04/03/20 3:00:34 PM
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K181 posted...


Way to very obviously quote only the first couple words of a definition. That'd mean literally any military operation is a genocide.


the word they use is "especially"

you should probably look up the meaning of the word
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K181
04/03/20 3:12:24 PM
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645AR posted...
the word they use is "especially"

you should probably look up the meaning of the word

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
  1. Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

WWII bombing campaigns have never been deemed to fall under that definition by any reputable party, as there wasn't a genocidal intent to destroy theJapanese race either entirely (in whole) or from a region (in part). Your definition would mean any military campaign is a genocide as the intent/end result is a large number of people getting killed.

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Nunyobidness
04/03/20 3:13:34 PM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
He won't ever be on a bill

Of course, he never pays them.
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Irony
04/03/20 3:14:45 PM
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Harrison was a better president and he died like a month into his presidency

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645AR
04/03/20 3:20:29 PM
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In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national


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