Board 8 > Illuminati Mafia Topic 3 - The Land of The Freemasons

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sounds good to me

but also can you just reveal your targets for clarity's sake?

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I mean, even if there are two scum left, we don't lose with a mislynch here, so IDGAF let's just get this over with

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I mean, why did you hold on to this information, Puns?

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I mean, whatever yeah

Night 1 was corrik
Night 2 SBell - same alignment

Assuming maximum 4 scum, that means 2 left. So if red flips scum, SBell and Corrik are both confirmed town, meaning we have 2 chances to get the 1 scum from...5tar/ben.

If red is town, the scum team is literally either Corrik/SBell or ben/5tar

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I mean, why did you hold on to this information, Puns?

I mean it's not like shit's been happening. I wanted to see Corrik's behavior

I was asked to fill in a low energy game and I saw my role was cop and my base was corrik, so I was like oh perfect I will just be lazy and base my perspective around corrik and report my info and I'll have done my replacement duties. I've put in like no effort lol

Welp. Even more reason to kill Red. I almost trust Sbell as town more than the Tange-confirmed Corrik moment so I really don't think they're the scum team

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turbopuns3 posted...

If red is town, the scum team is literally either Corrik/SBell or ben/5tar

That's why I was saying, if Corrik truly is doctor we just win because it guarantees us that the team is corrik/sbell if red does flip town

If corrik revokes his claim then well we still have to make a decision but I think most people already made it

Can guarantee you hes not doctor at least.

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did everyone die on me.

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I just woke up

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Finally the game is interesting

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##unvote

So the team is either SBell and Corrik.
Or Ben and red.
I think we should lynch one of the neighbours.
If red was really roleblocked then Corrik is roleblocker and SBell is neighbour. If Corrik really is doctor then the game is done because they cant kill puns.
Either way killing the neighbour is the easiest route because it doesnt involve killing claimed power

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Are you saying that Corrik and I are guaranteed to be the same alignment?

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Having thought for awhile I still dont believe that Tange clears Corrik town after Sultans play if he knows hes scum. Like he either assumes Corrik is dead or knows Sultan shot somebody else.
That makes the remaining scum out of Ben, red and I. I know Im Average Joe town vanilla but I understand you guys dont know that so if you need to lynch me to prove it I can live with that.
If there are only 3 scum I assume its Ben, maybe red is tracker which explains why theyd have a ninja.
If we lynch Ben and it isnt end game then puns either confirms me or dooms red.

##vote:Ben

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Would a scum neighbour have a dual role? Like would Ben be neighbour and roleblocker?

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Sorry for sleeping, puns!

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You guys do realize if the game had 4 scum the game could be over in 2 nights right? It can't be 4 scum.

9/4
6/4
Game over.

The game literally ends in 2 nights with a bad gamble.

Having to Lynch right 4 times when game can end in 2 nights is not made well.

So, it would be literally impossible for me and Sbell to both be scum based on setup.

That said, it is assuming Puns isn't scum lying anyways.

Also, Puns claim is interesting because if Red is town his claim is predicated on mislynching town then when they flip town to automatically mislynch another town.

It makes Puns claim a bit hmm.

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That's sorta where I was going with that Corrik.

Agreed. No way there are two scum alive right now

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5tarscream posted...

Would a scum neighbour have a dual role? Like would Ben be neighbour and roleblocker?

Like I said above, if the setup is super simple then an out of nowhere Scum Neighbor Roleblocker is unlikely. And, since there basically has to be 1 scum left, I feel it clears both neighbors as town.

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Corrik. Does scum neighbour usually have a power as well as being neighbour?

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Sorry didnt see the reply my bad.
So youre confident that Red is the only scum left and scum had a ninja with no watcher?

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Which leaves Puns, Red, and 5tar as the 3 to choose from.

All 3 have cases.

Red has looked ass all game, but his claim "fits".

I said before Aeicccoo being scum goes way up if Mzero was scum. Mzero and tange both defended Aeiccioo early. Plus, his claim to me sounds like total bullshit, especially in a simple game.

5tar I can't see being scum with Mzero due to an interaction they had. But, 5tar seems to be too much on the ball this game. Is it because he knows too much?

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##unvote

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Btw, the neighbors being cleared is predicated on red being town. And a roleblocker being real. If red is scum, the neighbors wouldn't be cleared, but red is the last scum anyways so it doesn't matter.


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Plus as I told yinz early in the game, that meta wise I would have expected both neighbors to be town this game anyways based on history of the role.

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If Puns is the only scum he cant win with that claim though.
We mislynch Ben or me.
Night kill on Han/Sbell/Corrik as theyre all now confirmed town with puns claim. Puns also has to claim he scanned red or Ben or is roleblocked.
If he claims roleblocked red can deny it.
We mislynch red or Ben
Night kill on Han/Sbell/Corrik
Thatd leave puns, red/Ben and one of you three in final 3.

Puns either has to claim red is scum D4 if red is mid lynched we know puns is wrong final day and he loses.
He claims me/Ben is scum d4 and we mislynch and he loses.
He claims roleblock red denies it and he dies.
He kills red, that leaves 2 of Han/You/SBell alive.

As the final scum he cant win.

If its red he has to kill puns or puns just scans him unaligned and he also loses. If he kills puns he has to claim he watched puns and claim me/Ben killed him. We flip town he has final 3 of himself and 2 confirmed town. He cant win either.

If theres only 1 scum left they lose. If we lynch Ben or me today. We have no confirmed alignment and no power claim. Lynch one of us.


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That too. If you lynch me or Ben one of us should flip roleblocker otherwise red/puns has even less avenues to claim.

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Puns claims me and Sbell are aligned. We mislynch red today. Puns claims roleblocked. They shoot Han.

Mislynch Sbell tomorrow. Shoot Ben at night. Leaving 5tar me and Puns.

Puns claims roleblocked.

How can't he win with it?


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Puns could be trapped if we don't lynch red today if he is scum.

We Lynch Ben today.

If he flips town, Puns has to scan 5tar. Literally zero other options. Red watches Puns. So puns can't claim roleblocked if he truly wasn't. Scum has to kill red that night anyways.

Then Puns is trapped if scum. As you said above.

Lynching red today is Puns only scum path to victory.

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Lynch me I flip town vanilla. Red has to claim Ben is the roleblocker. If he flips anything else tomorrow he loses.

Lynch one of us.
Either puns is roleblocked by red and red claims me/Ben visited puns.
Puns isnt roleblocked he scans red.
Red kills puns and says either me Ben did it we flip town and he loses.

I dont see a way to lose if we lynch me or Ben today.
If it is red then he cant win theres no point potentially wasting the kill today and losing.

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Corrik7 posted...

Lynching red today is Puns only scum path to victory.

So we dont lynch red.

##vote:Ben

It's you or me Im afraid Ben and I know Im town vanilla average Joe so in my mind there is a chance youre scum roleblocker.

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Puns has no path to victory if we Lynch him today either.

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If puns is scum, we win. If puns is town, we have 3 confirmed town in Han, Sbell, and me.

Red would claim roleblocked. One of the confirmed town would die.

Leaving 2 confirmed town, a watcher, and a neighbor and a vanilla.

By playing it to eliminate puns path indirectly, we in theory could be opening up a path for red or Ben to win if they are scum also.

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5tarscream posted...

Red kills puns and says either me Ben did it we flip town and he loses.

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This seems so obvious to me that you fighting me on this makes me think maybe its you and SBell after all. Which would deserve a clap on the back for the Tange play.

In that scenario, kill me or Ben today.
You have to kill one of puns/red and rb the other. Kill the remainder from me/Ben and you win.
Maybe we shouldnt rule out SBell out for tomorrows lynch after me/Ben today.

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I mean y'all can knock yourselves out trying to theorize why I would claim that as scum, I'm just gonna chill and not do much useful since I've done my duty

For what it's worth my result gives 100% guarantee that neither corrik/Sbell are indy

5tarscream posted...

This seems so obvious to me that you fighting me on this makes me think maybe its you and SBell after all. Which would deserve a clap on the back for the Tange play.

In that scenario, kill me or Ben today.
You have to kill one of puns/red and rb the other. Kill the remainder from me/Ben and you win.
Maybe we shouldnt rule out SBell out for tomorrows lynch after me/Ben today.

Lol what

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Also a godfather would not trick my scan btw

So I think the ninja was likely a renamed vanilla and the godfather might have been able to fool the godfather?

fool the gambler*

Why would a godfather not be able to fool your scan?

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It's just how my role is. It's not about innocent or guilty it's very clear that it is based on their alignment

So...of it's 3+1 after all, that means corrik and sbell are literally already confirmed town

If you truly believe it's 3 scum then han, corrik, and sbell are town

I am town

I'm trying to think what scum+indy pair makes sense out of ben/5tar/red.

Lynch Ben. I have spoken.

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Nevermind.

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SACRIFICE BEN?

Yeah I guess I'm okay with that. Dont see how we lose. Though i still think Gravy's outburst confirms me town harder than anyone but han

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And I pretty much cant see it being anyone other than Red.

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I mean it almost definitely is red and Id love to just lynch him and hope for the perfect town game BUT theres always a chance hes town and lynching me or you is safer for the town victory.

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