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AlephZero 03/27/20 5:50:35 PM #51:	landlords will be first to the gulag after bernie wins --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:936336651] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>landlords will be first to the gulag after bernie wins </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 5:51:18 PM #52:	Right. So they should be able to handle it when someone can't pay... if you can say to them that they should be able to handle their business, i'm okay in saying you should be able to handle yours, right? like: getting your rent together? --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936336687] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Right. So they should be able to handle it when someone can't pay... if you can say to them that they should be able to handle their business, i'm okay in saying you should be able to handle yours, right? like: getting your rent together?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 03/27/20 5:53:21 PM #53:	so will the renter still get to stay in the house when the bank takes it from the owner --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:936336776] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>so will the renter still get to stay in the house when the bank takes it from the owner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 03/27/20 5:53:32 PM #54:	BeantownHero posted... rental prices outpacing wages has been a problem in virtually every major city in this country...cry me a river. You didn't address the point. You are hating on landlords for having small margins. The way for them to raise margins is for them to raise prices which I'm sure you don't want. You are literally hating on landlords for not being rich while at the same time trying to demonize them as rich and holding all the cards. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:936336786] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>rental prices outpacing wages has been a problem in virtually every major city in this country...cry me a river.</quote> You didn't address the point. You are hating on landlords for having small margins. The way for them to raise margins is for them to raise prices which I'm sure you don't want. You are literally hating on landlords for not being rich while at the same time trying to demonize them as rich and holding all the cards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 5:53:58 PM #55:	Pancake posted... Right. So they should be able to handle it when someone can't pay... if you can say to them that they should be able to handle their business, i'm okay in saying you should be able to handle yours, right? like: getting your rent together? Landlords can miss rent checks when tenants move out and a new one is not found right away. Should it not be their responsibility to "handle their business" in that scenario? --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936336815] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted... </cite> <quote>Right. So they should be able to handle it when someone can't pay... if you can say to them that they should be able to handle their business, i'm okay in saying you should be able to handle yours, right? like: getting your rent together?</quote> Landlords can miss rent checks when tenants move out and a new one is not found right away. Should it not be their responsibility to "handle their business" in that scenario? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 03/27/20 5:54:16 PM #56:	people should absolutely pay rent whenever they can. with something like this virus it makes it much tougher on everyone, landlords and tenants. there should be bailouts for both parties tbh. landlords still deserve to be paid and tenants shouldnt be evicted quickly if they cant pay --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:936336835] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>people should absolutely pay rent whenever they can. with something like this virus it makes it much tougher on everyone, landlords and tenants. there should be bailouts for both parties tbh. landlords still deserve to be paid and tenants shouldnt be evicted quickly if they cant pay </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 03/27/20 5:55:20 PM #57:	andel posted... people should absolutely pay rent whenever they can. with something like this virus it makes it much tougher on everyone, landlords and tenants. there should be bailouts for both parties tbh. landlords still deserve to be paid and tenants shouldnt be evicted quickly if they cant pay responses like this are what happens when capitalism runs amok smh imagine not feeling anything but contempt for land owners ugh <cite>Romes187 posted [p:936336885] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>andel posted... </cite> <quote>people should absolutely pay rent whenever they can. with something like this virus it makes it much tougher on everyone, landlords and tenants. there should be bailouts for both parties tbh. landlords still deserve to be paid and tenants shouldnt be evicted quickly if they cant pay</quote> responses like this are what happens when capitalism runs amok smh imagine not feeling anything but contempt for land owners ugh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 5:56:07 PM #58:	Squall28 posted... You didn't address the point. You are hating on landlords for having small margins. The way for them to raise margins is for them to raise prices which I'm sure you don't want. You are literally hating on landlords for not being rich while at the same time trying to demonize them as rich and holding all the cards. Or they could get a job instead of just owning property solely for the sake of profiting off of others who are looking to fulfill their most basic survival need. Or, or, or, guess what else they can do if they can no longer afford mortgage payments, utility bills, etc. ~~They can sell the fucking property.~~ --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936336932] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>You didn't address the point. You are hating on landlords for having small margins. The way for them to raise margins is for them to raise prices which I'm sure you don't want. You are literally hating on landlords for not being rich while at the same time trying to demonize them as rich and holding all the cards.</quote> Or they could get a job instead of just owning property solely for the sake of profiting off of others who are looking to fulfill their most basic survival need. Or, or, or, guess what else they can do if they can no longer afford mortgage payments, utility bills, etc. They can sell the fucking property. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 03/27/20 5:56:38 PM #59:	Romes187 posted... responses like this are what happens when capitalism runs amok smh imagine not feeling anything but contempt for land owners ugh many landlords are older people who are far from wealthy. the slumlord types are scum but the average landlord with just one rental property is no more wealthy than anyone else --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:936336950] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Romes187 posted... </cite> <quote>responses like this are what happens when capitalism runs amok smh imagine not feeling anything but contempt for land owners ugh</quote> many landlords are older people who are far from wealthy. the slumlord types are scum but the average landlord with just one rental property is no more wealthy than anyone else </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/27/20 5:56:51 PM #60:	Pancake posted... if you can say to them that they should be able to handle their business, i'm okay in saying you should be able to handle yours, right? like: getting your rent together? And I don't disagree. When did I ever say the tenant shouldn't have to pay. I said the landlord should be able to pay if the tenant misses a payment. And they should be able to. It's not always a tenants fault or due to a tenant that they may not get a check. If they move out and the landlord can't afford the rent, they still miss that payment. So like I said, they should be able to afford to miss one rent payment. At the very least... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:936336960] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted...</cite> <quote>if you can say to them that they should be able to handle their business, i'm okay in saying you should be able to handle yours, right? like: getting your rent together?</quote> And I don't disagree. When did I ever say the tenant shouldn't have to pay. I said the landlord should be able to pay if the tenant misses a payment. And they should be able to. It's not always a tenants fault or due to a tenant that they may not get a check. If they move out and the landlord can't afford the rent, they still miss that payment. So like I said, they should be able to afford to miss one rent payment. At the very least...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 03/27/20 5:57:16 PM #61:	BathroomWater posted... Or they could get a job instead of owning property solely for the sake of profit. Or, or, or, guess what else they can do if they can no longer afford mortgage payments, utility bills, etc. ~~They can sell the fucking property.~~ I would imagine the housing market is in the toilet harder than a torn-up T- shirt right now. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:936336981] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>BathroomWater posted... </cite> <quote>Or they could get a job instead of owning property solely for the sake of profit. Or, or, or, guess what else they can do if they can no longer afford mortgage payments, utility bills, etc. They can sell the fucking property.</quote>I would imagine the housing market is in the toilet harder than a torn-up T- shirt right now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/27/20 5:57:19 PM #62:	BeantownHero posted... your business is providing shelter. its brazenly irresponsible to live that close to the edge as a business owner when you're in that industry Except that this attitude is precisely why you can't find homes in low-income areas. Realtors and construction companies are disincentivized from investing in poor areas because they need to have that much more cash set aside to cover their ass when the person can't pay their bills. The only way to make that cash work is economies of scale, which is how apartment complexes came to be. However, the more low-income people you house the more likely you are to have significant overhead costs because of Maintenance and because a higher percentage of your population will miss payments. That's how you get slums. A common way to fix this is with regulation, which just leads to people not building at all like in the UK. Which would mean that in order to have that housing the government would have to build those homes themselves, except that the government isn't in the construction industry so they instead have to pay unusually high rates to convince companies to build which in turn comes out of taxes. Except the government is also really bad at maintaining these properties, which is why we have the projects. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:936336987] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>your business is providing shelter. its brazenly irresponsible to live that close to the edge as a business owner when you're in that industry</quote> Except that this attitude is precisely why you can't find homes in low-income areas. Realtors and construction companies are disincentivized from investing in poor areas because they need to have that much more cash set aside to cover their ass when the person can't pay their bills. The only way to make that cash work is economies of scale, which is how apartment complexes came to be. However, the more low-income people you house the more likely you are to have significant overhead costs because of Maintenance and because a higher percentage of your population will miss payments. That's how you get slums. A common way to fix this is with regulation, which just leads to people not building at all like in the UK. Which would mean that in order to have that housing the government would have to build those homes themselves, except that the government isn't in the construction industry so they instead have to pay unusually high rates to convince companies to build which in turn comes out of taxes. Except the government is also really bad at maintaining these properties, which is why we have the projects. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 5:57:39 PM #63:	Landlords can miss rent checks when tenants move out and a new one is not found right away. you sure seem to think you know the financial status of every single landlord in the history of the world. Should it not be their responsibility to "handle their business" in that scenario? shouldn't it be your responsibility to -- do you see where i'm going with this? yeah? So like I said, they should be able to afford to miss one rent payment. At the very least... and people should always have some money saved, but who does that? it's easy to pass judgment from a million miles out, isn't it? --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936337007] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Landlords can miss rent checks when tenants move out and a new one is not found right away. you sure seem to think you know the financial status of every single landlord in the history of the world. Should it not be their responsibility to "handle their business" in that scenario? shouldn't it be your responsibility to -- do you see where i'm going with this? yeah? So like I said, they should be able to afford to miss one rent payment. At the very least... and people should always have some money saved, but who does that? it's easy to pass judgment from a million miles out, isn't it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
modena 03/27/20 5:58:29 PM #64:	Crazy thing is my landlord made a deal that if I move out since she's selling the house on short notice...I get my deposit and $1k from her directly because of the untimely notice.So that's $1500 to move when I already wanted too. Edit: she wanted to put the house on the market Mar 1st but gave me an extra month after I said I need the time. --- I'm surrounded <cite>modena posted [p:936337050] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Crazy thing is my landlord made a deal that if I move out since she's selling the house on short notice...I get my deposit and $1k from her directly because of the untimely notice.So that's $1500 to move when I already wanted too. Edit: she wanted to put the house on the market Mar 1st but gave me an extra month after I said I need the time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 03/27/20 6:00:06 PM #65:	andel posted... many landlords are older people who are far from wealthy. the slumlord types are scum but the average landlord with just one rental property is no more wealthy than anyone else sure. out of curiosity what is the benchmark for wealth when they become slumlords? Or is it not the wealth but practices that cause them to be slumlords, and if so, why mention wealth? I hope you are doing well my friend. Stay safe. <cite>Romes187 posted [p:936337131] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>andel posted... </cite> <quote>many landlords are older people who are far from wealthy. the slumlord types are scum but the average landlord with just one rental property is no more wealthy than anyone else</quote> sure. out of curiosity what is the benchmark for wealth when they become slumlords? Or is it not the wealth but practices that cause them to be slumlords, and if so, why mention wealth? I hope you are doing well my friend. Stay safe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/27/20 6:00:15 PM #66:	Pancake posted... shouldn't it be your responsibility to -- do you see where i'm going with this? yeah? Not really. A landlord should be able to pay for their rent if no one lives their. You seem to think they should be able to not pay because the house is empty or something... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:936337140] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted...</cite> <quote>shouldn't it be your responsibility to -- do you see where i'm going with this? yeah?</quote> Not really. A landlord should be able to pay for their rent if no one lives their. You seem to think they should be able to not pay because the house is empty or something...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 6:00:31 PM #67:	Pancake posted... Landlords can miss rent checks when tenants move out and a new one is not found right away. you sure seem to think you know the financial status of every single landlord in the history of the world. I have no idea what that gobbledygook is supposed to mean. Are you saying you disagree that a landlord can't collect rent when he has no tenant? Should it not be their responsibility to "handle their business" in that scenario? shouldn't it be your responsibility to -- do you see where i'm going with this? yeah? My responsibility to what? We're talking about a landlord without a tenant to pay him rent, not me. --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936337156] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted... </cite> <quote>Landlords can miss rent checks when tenants move out and a new one is not found right away. you sure seem to think you know the financial status of every single landlord in the history of the world.</quote> I have no idea what that gobbledygook is supposed to mean. Are you saying you disagree that a landlord can't collect rent when he has no tenant? <quote>Should it not be their responsibility to "handle their business" in that scenario? shouldn't it be your responsibility to -- do you see where i'm going with this? yeah?</quote> My responsibility to what? We're talking about a landlord without a tenant to pay him rent, not me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 03/27/20 6:00:31 PM #68:	BathroomWater posted... Or they could get a job instead of owning property solely for the sake of profit. Or, or, or, guess what else they can do if they can no longer afford mortgage payments, utility bills, etc. ~~They can sell the fucking property.~~ Landlords literally are just there to provide a service. You can tell tenants to follow the same advice. Get a job and buy your own property if you don't like paying rent. What you still can't afford it? If only someone can provide you a place to live without a giant down payment.... --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:936337158] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>BathroomWater posted... </cite> <quote>Or they could get a job instead of owning property solely for the sake of profit. Or, or, or, guess what else they can do if they can no longer afford mortgage payments, utility bills, etc. They can sell the fucking property.</quote> Landlords literally are just there to provide a service. You can tell tenants to follow the same advice. Get a job and buy your own property if you don't like paying rent. What you still can't afford it? If only someone can provide you a place to live without a giant down payment.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/27/20 6:02:11 PM #69:	Pancake posted... and people should always have some money saved, but who does that? it's easy to pass judgment from a million miles out, isn't it? People should have money save. I never said they shouldn't. But if they don't, they only hurt themselves. If landlord don't, they could hurting someone else. If they don't have money to fix a leak, another family goes without water. Do you think that's fair, even though that family is paying their rent on time... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:936337236] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted...</cite> <quote>and people should always have some money saved, but who does that? it's easy to pass judgment from a million miles out, isn't it?</quote> People should have money save. I never said they shouldn't. But if they don't, they only hurt themselves. If landlord don't, they could hurting someone else. If they don't have money to fix a leak, another family goes without water. Do you think that's fair, even though that family is paying their rent on time...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 03/27/20 6:02:59 PM #70:	Romes187 posted... sure. out of curiosity what is the benchmark for wealth when they become slumlords? Or is it not the wealth but practices that cause them to be slumlords, and if so, why mention wealth? To be a slumlord you need to own multiple properties. Otherwise you're just a slumnoble at best. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:936337280] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Romes187 posted... </cite> <quote>sure. out of curiosity what is the benchmark for wealth when they become slumlords? Or is it not the wealth but practices that cause them to be slumlords, and if so, why mention wealth?</quote> To be a slumlord you need to own multiple properties. Otherwise you're just a slumnoble at best. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 6:03:55 PM #72:	Are you saying you disagree that a landlord can't collect rent when he has no tenant? honestly, i only kinda glanced over your post. what do you want? there's a lot of scrolling now and i don't think you really have anything for me. People should have money save. I never said they shouldn't. But if they don't, they only hurt themselves. If landlord don't, they could be hurting someone else. If they don't have money to fix a leak, another family goes without water. Do you think that's fair, even though that family is paying their rent on time... i never said any of this was fair, because it isn't. and you're not wrong that the service landlords provide is vital. i think it's a safe conclusion that it's easier to say these things than it is to do them. additionally: i think if you offer a vital service, you have to be impartial. you can't turn people down just in case you run into someone who has a greater need, because you could do that forever. ethically, it isn't your place to make judgment calls, because you won't be able to help everyone. --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936337338] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Are you saying you disagree that a landlord can't collect rent when he has no tenant? honestly, i only kinda glanced over your post. what do you want? there's a lot of scrolling now and i don't think you really have anything for me. People should have money save. I never said they shouldn't. But if they don't, they only hurt themselves. If landlord don't, they could be hurting someone else. If they don't have money to fix a leak, another family goes without water. Do you think that's fair, even though that family is paying their rent on time... i never said any of this was fair, because it isn't. and you're not wrong that the service landlords provide is vital. i think it's a safe conclusion that it's easier to say these things than it is to do them. additionally: i think if you offer a vital service, you have to be impartial. you can't turn people down just in case you run into someone who has a greater need, because you could do that forever. ethically, it isn't your place to make judgment calls, because you won't be able to help everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 03/27/20 6:06:56 PM #73:	Don't pay and let your landlord fail. They're just gonna have to sell out and then the new buyer, who was prepared, will evict you. They'll evict you because people who don't pay make for an unsustainable model --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:936337513] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Don't pay and let your landlord fail. They're just gonna have to sell out and then the new buyer, who was prepared, will evict you. They'll evict you because people who don't pay make for an unsustainable model </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 6:10:30 PM #74:	Pancake posted... Are you saying you disagree that a landlord can't collect rent when he has no tenant? honestly, i only kinda glanced over your post. what do you want? there's a lot of scrolling now and i don't think you really have anything for me. Lol. Yeah, you're definitely someone we should all be taking seriously here. Squall28 posted... Landlords literally are just there to provide a service. You can tell tenants to follow the same advice. Get a job and buy your own property if you don't like paying rent. What you still can't afford it? If only someone can provide you a place to live without a giant down payment.... But you're essentially the one providing them property without them having to pay for it, by paying for their mortgage and upkeep costs. They're using your money to build equity on a property. They're the ones receiving a service. --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936337715] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted... </cite> <quote>Are you saying you disagree that a landlord can't collect rent when he has no tenant? honestly, i only kinda glanced over your post. what do you want? there's a lot of scrolling now and i don't think you really have anything for me.</quote> Lol. Yeah, you're definitely someone we should all be taking seriously here. Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>Landlords literally are just there to provide a service. You can tell tenants to follow the same advice. Get a job and buy your own property if you don't like paying rent. What you still can't afford it? If only someone can provide you a place to live without a giant down payment....</quote> But you're essentially the one providing them property without them having to pay for it, by paying for their mortgage and upkeep costs. They're using your money to build equity on a property. They're the ones receiving a service. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 6:11:46 PM #75:	Lol. Yeah, you're definitely someone we should all be taking seriously here. literally an ad hominem. don't be mad about the other topic. They're the ones receiving a service. ugh, gymnastics. --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936337780] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Lol. Yeah, you're definitely someone we should all be taking seriously here. literally an ad hominem. don't be mad about the other topic. They're the ones receiving a service. ugh, gymnastics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 03/27/20 6:13:49 PM #76:	There are very few business, particularly small business capable of suddenly going one month without revenue while simultaneously having the operating expenses for the month, without it being a major problem. A landlord should absolutely be prepared for times where they don't have rent because a tenant moved out, but no income from anyone, while still accumulating operating expenses? That's a lot to ask from anywhere --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love The Chiefs won the Super Bowl! <cite>Gheb posted [p:936337890] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>There are very few business, particularly small business capable of suddenly going one month without revenue while simultaneously having the operating expenses for the month, without it being a major problem. A landlord should absolutely be prepared for times where they don't have rent because a tenant moved out, but no income from anyone, while still accumulating operating expenses? That's a lot to ask from anywhere </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 6:13:56 PM #77:	Pancake posted... Lol. Yeah, you're definitely someone we should all be taking seriously here. literally an ad hominem. don't be mad about the other topic. The topic from which you ran with your tail between your legs? I was willing to let you save face on that one, but if you insist... It's not ad hominem to call someone out for not reading what is being said and still trying to respond to it out of their ass. Who would take a discussion with someone who only talks and doesn't listen seriously? --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936337896] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted... </cite> <quote>Lol. Yeah, you're definitely someone we should all be taking seriously here. literally an ad hominem. don't be mad about the other topic.</quote> The topic from which you ran with your tail between your legs? I was willing to let you save face on that one, but if you insist... It's not ad hominem to call someone out for not reading what is being said and still trying to respond to it out of their ass. Who would take a discussion with someone who only talks and doesn't listen seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 6:15:34 PM #78:	you literally weaseled out of answering a question and i elected not to bully you over it. it's ad hominem to tell people not to take someone seriously. sheesh, why you gotta derail a meaningful thread with incessant shitposting? --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936337996] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>you literally weaseled out of answering a question and i elected not to bully you over it. it's ad hominem to tell people not to take someone seriously. sheesh, why you gotta derail a meaningful thread with incessant shitposting?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/27/20 6:16:49 PM #79:	Pancake posted... i never said any of this was fair, because it isn't. and you're not wrong that the service landlords provide is vital. i think it's a safe conclusion that it's easier to say these things than it is to do them. additionally: i think if you offer a vital service, you have to be impartial. you can't turn people down just in case you run into someone who has a greater need, because you could do that forever. ethically, it isn't your place to make judgment calls, because you won't be able to help everyone. It's always easier to say things than do them. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be said, though. And you'll never be able to help everyone. But again, you should be able to afford what you're doing. If you can't afford for a tenant to miss rent once, or for the house to be empty for a month, then don't buy the house yet. If you can't afford to fix a plumbing issue to not leave your tenant without water, then don't be a landlord just yet. If you can take out loans to help you and don't mind doing that, then I guess it's fine. As long as you have a way to afford it. I know I could afford another house on my own if a tenant couldn't pay or if the house was empty for a month. Because of that, I don't buy and rent houses... As an example... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:936338070] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted...</cite> <quote>i never said any of this was fair, because it isn't. and you're not wrong that the service landlords provide is vital. i think it's a safe conclusion that it's easier to say these things than it is to do them. additionally: i think if you offer a vital service, you have to be impartial. you can't turn people down just in case you run into someone who has a greater need, because you could do that forever. ethically, it isn't your place to make judgment calls, because you won't be able to help everyone.</quote> It's always easier to say things than do them. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be said, though. And you'll never be able to help everyone. But again, you should be able to afford what you're doing. If you can't afford for a tenant to miss rent once, or for the house to be empty for a month, then don't buy the house yet. If you can't afford to fix a plumbing issue to not leave your tenant without water, then don't be a landlord just yet. If you can take out loans to help you and don't mind doing that, then I guess it's fine. As long as you have a way to afford it. I know I could afford another house on my own if a tenant couldn't pay or if the house was empty for a month. Because of that, I don't buy and rent houses... As an example...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 03/27/20 6:18:53 PM #80:	BathroomWater posted... But you're essentially the one providing them property without them having to pay for it, by paying for their mortgage and upkeep costs. They're using your money to build equity on a property. They're the ones receiving a service. Then don't rent and buy your own. Their service is that they make it so you don't have to pay that big down payment. There's a reason why rent is an agreement between two parties. They agree to it for your payments, and you agree to it to avoid the hefty initial investment. The landlord isn't forcing you to live on his property. You can choose another property, or you can save up for a downpayment. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:936338179] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>BathroomWater posted... </cite> <quote>But you're essentially the one providing them property without them having to pay for it, by paying for their mortgage and upkeep costs. They're using your money to build equity on a property. They're the ones receiving a service.</quote> Then don't rent and buy your own. Their service is that they make it so you don't have to pay that big down payment. There's a reason why rent is an agreement between two parties. They agree to it for your payments, and you agree to it to avoid the hefty initial investment. The landlord isn't forcing you to live on his property. You can choose another property, or you can save up for a downpayment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 6:18:55 PM #81:	Pancake posted... you literally weaseled out of answering a question and i elected not to bully you over it. You ran away and never came back. There was nothing to bully me over because your off-topic posting wasn't saying anything meaningful and you couldn't even begin to answer the question that the topic posed. it's ad hominem to tell people not to take someone seriously. sheesh, why you gotta derail a meaningful thread with incessant shitposting? If you start reading my posts before "responding" to them, I'll consider advising others to take you seriously. --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936338180] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted... </cite> <quote>you literally weaseled out of answering a question and i elected not to bully you over it.</quote> You ran away and never came back. There was nothing to bully me over because your off-topic posting wasn't saying anything meaningful and you couldn't even begin to answer the question that the topic posed. <quote>it's ad hominem to tell people not to take someone seriously. sheesh, why you gotta derail a meaningful thread with incessant shitposting?</quote> If you start reading my posts before "responding" to them, I'll consider advising others to take you seriously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 6:19:06 PM #82:	But again, you should be able to afford what you're doing. well, a lot of people can't. that's just the way it goes. sorry for the world being the way it is. a lot of people should be able to afford rent, but again -- these are people we're dealing with. If you start reading my posts before "responding" to them, I'll consider advising others to take you seriously. i don't care what you do, dude. jump into the conversation and contribute meaningfully if you want any more of my attention. as you said, all you care about is bumps, true to the shitposter code. i can't just assist you in derailing a thread. --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936338188] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>But again, you should be able to afford what you're doing. well, a lot of people can't. that's just the way it goes. sorry for the world being the way it is. a lot of people should be able to afford rent, but again -- these are people we're dealing with. If you start reading my posts before "responding" to them, I'll consider advising others to take you seriously. i don't care what you do, dude. jump into the conversation and contribute meaningfully if you want any more of my attention. as you said, all you care about is bumps, true to the shitposter code. i can't just assist you in derailing a thread.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 6:22:08 PM #83:	Squall28 posted... Then don't rent and buy your own. Their service is that they make it so you don't have to pay that big down payment. There's a reason why rent is an agreement between two parties. They agree to it for your payments, and you agree it to avoid the hefty initial investment. The landlord isn't forcing you to live on his property. You can choose another property, or you can save up for a downpayment. It doesn't really matter to me that you can choose between different landlords. You'll always have to choose a landlord (assuming you can't afford to buy your own property, which, if you've been paying attention, has become exponentially more and more difficult to do over the last few decades) and there is a fundamental and drastic power imbalance at play between landlords and tenants. --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936338363] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>Then don't rent and buy your own. Their service is that they make it so you don't have to pay that big down payment. There's a reason why rent is an agreement between two parties. They agree to it for your payments, and you agree it to avoid the hefty initial investment. The landlord isn't forcing you to live on his property. You can choose another property, or you can save up for a downpayment.</quote> It doesn't really matter to me that you can choose between different landlords. You'll always have to choose a landlord (assuming you can't afford to buy your own property, which, if you've been paying attention, has become exponentially more and more difficult to do over the last few decades) and there is a fundamental and drastic power imbalance at play between landlords and tenants. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 6:24:15 PM #84:	Pancake posted... But again, you should be able to afford what you're doing. well, a lot of people can't. that's just the way it goes. sorry for the world being the way it is. If you start reading my posts before "responding" to them, I'll consider advising others to take you seriously. i don't care what you do, dude. jump into the conversation and contribute meaningfully if you want any more of my attention. I have, you just don't bother to read my posts, as you've admitted. The challenge to your worldview is too difficult to bear, I get it. as you said, all you care about is bumps, true to the shitposter code. i can't just assist you in derailing a thread. That's not what I said. I said when a user attempts to troll my topic, it may be annoying but at least it's a free bump. --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936338490] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted... </cite> <quote>But again, you should be able to afford what you're doing. well, a lot of people can't. that's just the way it goes. sorry for the world being the way it is. If you start reading my posts before "responding" to them, I'll consider advising others to take you seriously. i don't care what you do, dude. jump into the conversation and contribute meaningfully if you want any more of my attention.</quote> I have, you just don't bother to read my posts, as you've admitted. The challenge to your worldview is too difficult to bear, I get it. <quote>as you said, all you care about is bumps, true to the shitposter code. i can't just assist you in derailing a thread.</quote> That's not what I said. I said when a user attempts to troll my topic, it may be annoying but at least it's a free bump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 6:26:25 PM #85:	you put all this effort into trying to spin not having the spine to answer a simple question. --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936338598] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>you put all this effort into trying to spin not having the spine to answer a simple question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 6:28:44 PM #86:	Again, why should I answer your off-topic question before you answer mine? As I've said, rephrase the question to fit the context of my scenario and I will do my best to answer. As is, your question was off-topic and nonsensical. --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936338743] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Again, why should I answer your off-topic question before you answer mine? As I've said, rephrase the question to fit the context of my scenario and I will do my best to answer. As is, your question was off-topic and nonsensical. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 6:31:38 PM #87:	yeah, those were the excuses you used before. it really didn't command crying about it for two topics. can you be done with your tantrum already? i said you didn't have to answer it. you're still spineless for dodging it and making every excuse along the way, but i'm not holding you to anything. can you be done? --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936338921] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>yeah, those were the excuses you used before. it really didn't command crying about it for two topics. can you be done with your tantrum already? i said you didn't have to answer it. you're still spineless for dodging it and making every excuse along the way, but i'm not holding you to anything. can you be done?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 03/27/20 6:32:08 PM #88:	BathroomWater posted... It doesn't really matter to me that you can choose between different landlords. You'll always have to choose a landlord (assuming you can't afford to buy your own property, which, if you've been paying attention, has become exponentially more and more difficult to do over the last few decades) and there is a fundamental and drastic power imbalance at play between landlords and tenants. So landlords help renters overcome in your words an exponentially harder and harder hurdle, and renters don't have to keep up their end of the bargain because? --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:936338948] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>BathroomWater posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't really matter to me that you can choose between different landlords. You'll always have to choose a landlord (assuming you can't afford to buy your own property, which, if you've been paying attention, has become exponentially more and more difficult to do over the last few decades) and there is a fundamental and drastic power imbalance at play between landlords and tenants.</quote> So landlords help renters overcome in your words an exponentially harder and harder hurdle, and renters don't have to keep up their end of the bargain because? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/27/20 6:32:25 PM #89:	Squall28 posted... Then don't rent and buy your own. Their service is that they make it so you don't have to pay that big down payment. It's not always an option. Even if you can afford to own a house and make the payments, you still have to have pretty good credit. Or, at the very least, not shitty credit... Pancake posted... well, a lot of people can't. that's just the way it goes. sorry for the world being the way it is. a lot of people should be able to afford rent, but again -- these are people we're dealing with. Then that's their fault.They made a stupid decision buying a house they can't afford. When they get hit with a foreclosure, it's their own fault. And that means that you agree. They made a stupid decision doing something before they were ready and shouldn't have been a landlord... Also, are you reading my post? Because it sounds like you're not. It's not always due to the tenant. If they have nobody to live in the house, they still have to make payments. You do know that, right? --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:936338964] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>Then don't rent and buy your own. Their service is that they make it so you don't have to pay that big down payment.</quote> It's not always an option. Even if you can afford to own a house and make the payments, you still have to have pretty good credit. Or, at the very least, not shitty credit... Pancake posted...</cite> <quote>well, a lot of people can't. that's just the way it goes. sorry for the world being the way it is. a lot of people should be able to afford rent, but again -- these are people we're dealing with. </quote> Then that's their fault.They made a stupid decision buying a house they can't afford. When they get hit with a foreclosure, it's their own fault. And that means that you agree. They made a stupid decision doing something before they were ready and shouldn't have been a landlord... Also, are you reading my post? Because it sounds like you're not. It's not always due to the tenant. If they have nobody to live in the house, they still have to make payments. You do know that, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 6:34:07 PM #90:	Then that's their fault.They made a stupid decision buying a house they can't afford. When they get hit with a foreclosure, it's their own fault. And that means that you agree. They made a stupid decision doing something before they were ready and shouldn't have been a landlord only if you agree that people who can't afford to pay rent made stupid decisions before they got to that point, as well. i just want you to be fair. --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936339073] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Then that's their fault.They made a stupid decision buying a house they can't afford. When they get hit with a foreclosure, it's their own fault. And that means that you agree. They made a stupid decision doing something before they were ready and shouldn't have been a landlord only if you agree that people who can't afford to pay rent made stupid decisions before they got to that point, as well. i just want you to be fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/27/20 6:36:45 PM #91:	Pancake posted... only if you agree that people who can't afford to pay rent made stupid decisions before they got to that point, as well. i just want you to be fair. Sure. Though, in this case, they wouldn't have had the house. Having the money to pay for a house, and then getting no money because of a virus is different than buying a house and having no money to pay because someone else cant pay. I never said anyone should rent a house if they couldn't pay. So, what does this change about what I said? I'll give you a hint: ~~Nothing...~~ --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:936339220] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted...</cite> <quote>only if you agree that people who can't afford to pay rent made stupid decisions before they got to that point, as well. i just want you to be fair.</quote> Sure. Though, in this case, they wouldn't have had the house. Having the money to pay for a house, and then getting no money because of a virus is different than buying a house and having no money to pay because someone else cant pay. I never said anyone should rent a house if they couldn't pay. So, what does this change about what I said? I'll give you a hint: Nothing...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 03/27/20 6:39:20 PM #92:	Squall28 posted... You didn't address the point. You are hating on landlords for having small margins. The way for them to raise margins is for them to raise prices which I'm sure you don't want. You are literally hating on landlords for not being rich while at the same time trying to demonize them as rich and holding all the cards. landlords are ALREADY gouging tenants nationwide. If they're still living so close to the edge, they're a shit landlord --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:936339348] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>You didn't address the point. You are hating on landlords for having small margins. The way for them to raise margins is for them to raise prices which I'm sure you don't want. You are literally hating on landlords for not being rich while at the same time trying to demonize them as rich and holding all the cards.</quote> landlords are ALREADY gouging tenants nationwide. If they're still living so close to the edge, they're a shit landlord </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 03/27/20 6:39:53 PM #93:	Pancake posted... yeah, those were the excuses you used before. it really didn't command crying about it for two topics. can you be done with your tantrum already? Lol, you brought it up ITT, buddy. Are you not even reading your own posts now? As I said when you decided to dredge it up ITT, I was willing to let you save face and slink away quietly from that one. i said you didn't have to answer it. you're still spineless for dodging it and making every excuse along the way, but i'm not holding you to anything. can you be done? Answer what? What do I "say" to the people that didn't exist in the scenario I presented? Here, I'll answer: if you can afford your living expenses without strain, I am happy for you. Squall28 posted... So landlords help renters overcome in your words an exponentially harder and harder hurdle, They're not helping renters because they are the ones who have created the exponentially harder and harder hurdle. Most property is owned by big corporations and they've made it increasingly difficult for your average person to own property. and renters don't have to keep up their end of the bargain because? I didn't say that. The whole system is just skewed against renters and it's become more and more unequal over the last few decades. --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:936339377] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted... </cite> <quote>yeah, those were the excuses you used before. it really didn't command crying about it for two topics. can you be done with your tantrum already?</quote> Lol, you brought it up ITT, buddy. Are you not even reading your own posts now? As I said when you decided to dredge it up ITT, I was willing to let you save face and slink away quietly from that one. <quote>i said you didn't have to answer it. you're still spineless for dodging it and making every excuse along the way, but i'm not holding you to anything. can you be done?</quote> Answer what? What do I "say" to the people that didn't exist in the scenario I presented? Here, I'll answer: if you can afford your living expenses without strain, I am happy for you. Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>So landlords help renters overcome in your words an exponentially harder and harder hurdle, </quote> They're not helping renters because they are the ones who have created the exponentially harder and harder hurdle. Most property is owned by big corporations and they've made it increasingly difficult for your average person to own property. <quote>and renters don't have to keep up their end of the bargain because?</quote> I didn't say that. The whole system is just skewed against renters and it's become more and more unequal over the last few decades. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 03/27/20 6:41:00 PM #94:	Pancake posted... Then that's their fault.They made a stupid decision buying a house they can't afford. When they get hit with a foreclosure, it's their own fault. And that means that you agree. They made a stupid decision doing something before they were ready and shouldn't have been a landlord only if you agree that people who can't afford to pay rent made stupid decisions before they got to that point, as well. i just want you to be fair. He's not going to be. The theme of this topic is that renters are helpless people that have no control over their lives and landlords are responsible for every single decision they've ever made. This topic has basically just been a giant showcase of attribution bias. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:936339445] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Pancake posted... </cite> <quote>Then that's their fault.They made a stupid decision buying a house they can't afford. When they get hit with a foreclosure, it's their own fault. And that means that you agree. They made a stupid decision doing something before they were ready and shouldn't have been a landlord only if you agree that people who can't afford to pay rent made stupid decisions before they got to that point, as well. i just want you to be fair.</quote> He's not going to be. The theme of this topic is that renters are helpless people that have no control over their lives and landlords are responsible for every single decision they've ever made. This topic has basically just been a giant showcase of attribution bias. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 03/27/20 6:41:31 PM #95:	attaboy. that was to bathroomwater. he did it. he answered a simple question! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc This topic has basically just been a giant showcase of attribution bias. shrug always thought your sig was the shit! --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:936339473] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>attaboy. that was to bathroomwater. he did it. he answered a simple question! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc This topic has basically just been a giant showcase of attribution bias. shrug always thought your sig was the shit!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/27/20 6:43:40 PM #96:	Squall28 posted... He's not going to be. The theme of this topic is that renters are helpless people that have no control over their lives and landlords are responsible for every single decision they've ever made. This topic has basically just been a giant showcase of attribution bias. Please don't put words in my mouth. Especially if you don't know me at all... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:936339575] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>He's not going to be. The theme of this topic is that renters are helpless people that have no control over their lives and landlords are responsible for every single decision they've ever made. This topic has basically just been a giant showcase of attribution bias.</quote> Please don't put words in my mouth. Especially if you don't know me at all...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 03/27/20 6:46:06 PM #97:	LinkPizza posted... Please don't put words in my mouth. Especially if you don't know me at all... Apologies. Thought his post was to someone else. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:936339707] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Please don't put words in my mouth. Especially if you don't know me at all...</quote> Apologies. Thought his post was to someone else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/27/20 6:46:50 PM #98:	Squall28 posted... Apologies. Thought his post was to someone else. Oh. Ok. Then that's fine. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:936339749] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>Apologies. Thought his post was to someone else.</quote> Oh. Ok. Then that's fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 03/27/20 6:51:44 PM #99:	Holding the person making 13/hr and the landlord almost certainly charging above market rates for rent to the same standard is some bootlicking stuff if I've ever seen it --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:936339999] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Holding the person making 13/hr and the landlord almost certainly charging above market rates for rent to the same standard is some bootlicking stuff if I've ever seen it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Feetish 03/27/20 6:57:13 PM #100:	XxKrazyChaosxX posted... Is this from a film? If so which one? I want to check out pics of the woman in the background. --- Thots and players <cite>Feetish posted [p:936340265] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>XxKrazyChaosxX posted... </cite> <quote></quote> Is this from a film? If so which one? I want to check out pics of the woman in the background. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/27/20 6:58:45 PM #101:	Poor landlords --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:936340345] in A lot of l... [t:78512808]...</cite> <quote>Poor landlords </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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