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Helicaterpillar
03/27/20 7:02:51 PM
#102:


You should live with your parents if you cant afford rent and save money every pay check for emergency such as these. If you cant do that, get a better job and if you cant find one, then live with your parents till you find one.
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BathroomWater
03/27/20 7:05:22 PM
#103:


Helicaterpillar posted...
You should live with your parents if you cant afford rent and save money every pay check for emergency such as these. If you cant do that, get a better job and if you cant find one, then live with your parents till you find one. If you parents kicked you out, then they must not love you.

There is definitely a massive love gap in this country that needs to be addressed.

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KamenRiderBlade
03/27/20 7:05:49 PM
#104:


AlephZero posted...
landlords will be first to the gulag after bernie wins

You'll be first to the gulag once bernie loses.

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LinkPizza
03/27/20 7:11:43 PM
#105:


Helicaterpillar posted...
You should live with your parents if you cant afford rent and save money every pay check for emergency such as these. If you cant do that, get a better job and if you cant find one, then live with your parents till you find one. If you parents kicked you out, then they must not love you.

This is actually a good idea. I hear that it's more popular in other countries. But in the US, parents like to kick their kids out (or at least use to) at 18. Or they move out (whether for college, or just to move out). But I do agree that still living with your parents for a time after 18 is a good idea. Why waste money just to prove you can live on your own...
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kayoticdreamz
03/27/20 7:20:12 PM
#106:


Feetish posted...
Is this from a film? If so which one? I want to check out pics of the woman in the background.
my hero
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Feetish
03/27/20 7:23:46 PM
#107:


kayoticdreamz posted...
my hero


Thanks for that but the only thing that is coming up in google is a British sitcom or a Japanese anime thing called My Hero Academia

If you or anyone else knows the name of the woman in the background please post her name.

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Squall28
03/27/20 7:26:19 PM
#108:


Feetish posted...
Thanks for that but the only thing that is coming up in google is a British sitcom or a Japanese anime thing called My Hero Academia

If you or anyone else knows the name of the woman in the background please post her name.

I think it's from spider Man 3.

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Pancake
03/27/20 7:26:27 PM
#109:


a Japanese anime thing called My Hero Academia

you should check that one out.
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IShall_Run_Amok
03/27/20 7:26:42 PM
#110:


The film in question seems to be Spiderman 2.

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Feetish
03/27/20 7:30:08 PM
#111:


Thanks a lot guys for the Spiderman clue. Its possible shes Mageina Tovah

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LinkPizza
03/27/20 7:30:50 PM
#112:


Feetish posted...
Is this from a film? If so which one? I want to check out pics of the woman in the background.

Squall28 posted...
I think it's from spider Man 3.

Correct...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC49LFyYXgA
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Feetish
03/27/20 7:34:33 PM
#113:


LinkPizza posted...
Correct...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC49LFyYXgA


Please understand Im not trying to be offensive, but not only are you too late youve posted the wrong video.

It should be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TB068NHHPE

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LinkPizza
03/27/20 7:35:41 PM
#114:


Feetish posted...
Im not trying to be offensive but not only are you too late youve posted the wrong video.

It should be

The video I posted has more screen time for the girl. And that's who you were looking for, right?
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Feetish
03/27/20 7:37:39 PM
#115:


LinkPizza posted...
The video I posted has more screen time for the girl. And that's who you were looking for, right?

I was looking for her name tbh. Once I found out who she is I googled pics of her feet and found them to be acceptable.

Again, like I said I wasnt trying to put you down for helping.

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LinkPizza
03/27/20 7:39:43 PM
#116:


Feetish posted...
I was looking for her name tbh. Once I found out who she is I googled pics of her feet and found them to be acceptable.

Again, like I said I wasnt trying to put you down for helping.

I guess all that matters is you found her...
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Feetish
03/27/20 7:41:10 PM
#117:


LinkPizza posted...
I guess all that matters is you found her...

Yes. Thanks again to all you guys.

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dave_is_slick
03/27/20 8:14:44 PM
#118:


Pancake posted...
i feel like you can pass that same judgment on adults; if you're an adult and you can't get your rent together, you're a shit adult.

not that i necessarily would pass that judgment. but wouldn't you say the thinking is the same?
With this situation right now, no, you absolutely cannot make that judgement.

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kayoticdreamz
03/27/20 8:40:33 PM
#119:


CE came together on this one!
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ColdOne666
03/27/20 9:17:42 PM
#120:


DevsBro posted...
I get how tenants can be strained for the payments right now but what I don't get is this assumption that the respective landlords are any more equipped to lose their income.

Entitled millenials who want everything free.

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BeantownHero
03/27/20 9:35:40 PM
#121:


ColdOne666 posted...
Entitled millenials who want everything free.

it's not entitlement to believe a business should be ran competently. Comparing a business owner in terms of what available assets they should have to a 9-5er is absurd.

A month of no rent ruins you? Being a landlord ain't the business for you then. Providing shelter for profit shouldnt be permitted for those who live so financially close to the edge


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Unsugarized_Foo
03/27/20 9:57:35 PM
#122:


Only the rich deserve to make money

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BeantownHero
03/28/20 7:02:19 PM
#123:


https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/pke8qn/meet-the-people-refusing-to-pay-their-rent-

april-1-because-of-coronavirus-job-loss?__twitter_impression=true

good article on rent strikes happening here and in Canada

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Esrac
03/28/20 7:15:59 PM
#124:




LinkPizza posted...
It's not that. You should be able to afford what you're doing. As a landlord, you should have extra money for when something happens. Like a sudden move from a person, or death, or whatever. You should already know you have the money, as well. Because you also normally have to pay for any problems that come up. It's not about being rich. It's being able to afford the house you bought just to make extra money. If no one moves in, they can't just cry about not having a renter. They should buy it unless they can afford it... Especially if they have more than one. If you can't afford missing rent on one of the 10 places they own and rent, maybe don't own 10 places...

BeantownHero posted...
If you're a landlord (a business) and cant afford to lose a months worth of rent, you're a shit landlord

Hey. That's fine. But by the same logic, if you can't afford to pay your bills because you missed getting paid for a month, you're a shit tennant/head of household/whatever.
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BeantownHero
03/28/20 7:19:40 PM
#125:


Hey. That's fine. But by the same logic, if you can't afford to pay your bills because you missed getting paid for a month, you're a shit tennant/head of household/whatever

comparing a business owner to someone living check to check doesnt make sense. One has a much bigger obligation to have money on hand in case of an emergency. It's even less acceptable in the apartment rental industry, given the absurd increases in rent nationwide over the last decade plus

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Esrac
03/28/20 7:29:01 PM
#126:


BeantownHero posted...
comparing a business owner to someone living check to check doesnt make sense. One has a much bigger obligation to have money on hand in case of an emergency. It's even less acceptable in the apartment rental industry, given the absurd increases in rent nationwide over the last decade plus

Bullshit.

You're trying to rationalize having a double standard for people you don't sympathize with and people you do.

You're employing similar Republican-style rhetoric when it suits you and hand waving it when it doesn't

The reality is every functioning adult is obligated to have money set aside for emergencies, but most are unable to do so due to unfortunate circumstances or personal failing or irresponsibility. It's no different if your line of work is providing and maintaining a dwelling, IT work, construction, or whatever.
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Lairen
03/28/20 7:30:18 PM
#127:


Whats with all the:

"I know theres a global pandemic literally destroying the economy but you need to pay rent"

Literally cant evict people right now. Youre already losing the arugment.

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BeantownHero
03/28/20 7:34:26 PM
#128:


Esrac posted...
Bullshit.

You're trying to rationalize having a double standard for people you don't sympathize with and people you do.

You're employing similar Republican-style rhetoric when it suits you and hand waving it when it doesn't

The reality is every functioning adult is obligated to have money set aside for emergencies, but most are unable to do so due to unfortunate circumstances or personal failing or irresponsibility. It's no different if your line of work is providing and maintaining a dwelling, IT work, construction, or whatever.

Like I said in the beginning of this topic, if you can't afford to go a month without rent as a landlord, you dont need to be one. You're living too close to the edge and risking people's homes to make money off of them.

Business owners are held to higher standard than an average 9-5er, and rightfully so


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Esrac
03/28/20 7:38:35 PM
#129:


BeantownHero posted...
Like I said in the beginning of this topic, if you can't afford to go a month without rent as a landlord, you dont need to be one. You're living too close to the edge and risking people's homes to make money off of them.

Business owners are held to higher standard than an average 9-5er, and rightfully so

It's no different than shitting on workers who can't make rent. If you can't afford to go unpaid for a month, you should be renting an apartment or having a family or buying a car or whatever.
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averagejoel
03/28/20 7:40:55 PM
#130:


Esrac posted...
It's no different than shitting on workers who can't make rent. If you can't afford to go unpaid for a month, you should be renting an apartment or having a family or buying a car or whatever.
except landlords are not workers

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BeantownHero
03/28/20 7:47:01 PM
#131:


averagejoel posted...
except landlords are not workers

That's a bingo!

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Esrac
03/28/20 7:47:06 PM
#132:


averagejoel posted...
except landlords are not workers

Irrelevant.

They earn money by managing, providing and maintaining housing for people. Paying them for that service is no difference than paying anyone for any other service.

But I'm not particularly inclined to really engage an actual communist who has literally advocated for murdering the wealthy and their families. So, you can fuck off before you get ready for a pointless internet argument.
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LinkPizza
03/28/20 7:48:33 PM
#133:


Esrac posted...
Hey. That's fine. But by the same logic, if you can't afford to pay your bills because you missed getting paid for a month, you're a shit tennant/head of household/whatever.

Probably. Though, I still see those as different. I do believe tenants should have at least a month of extra income to support themselves in case of an emergency. But if a landlord cant pay their rent for one month just because a tenant moves out and it ruins them, then they had no business being a landlord in the first place... Especially because that also means they probably had no money to fix any issue the tenant might have had. So, it's different because the person renting is just renting a house. They should have extra money, but don't need to. The landlord on the other should definitely have extra money. And if they don't, then they probably have no business being a landlord... As a tenant, you're messing with only your family's lives when you don't have money. As a landlord, you're messing with you tenant's live when you don't have money...
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averagejoel
03/28/20 7:48:45 PM
#134:


Esrac posted...
They earn money by managing, providing and maintaining housing for people
incorrect. they make money by owning the house

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BeantownHero
03/28/20 7:56:13 PM
#135:


Cost of living in much of america continues to outpace wage growth

Landlords across the country, particularly in the last decade, have grossly exploited lack of supply to jack up rent prices

its madness to hold the business owner (a willful act undertaken by those who should be responsible enough to handle minor financial issues) to the same standard as the 9-5er. No one made you buy that second house or depend entirely on your tenants rent to pay for your first one. that's fundamentally bad business, aimed at exploiting the working class (everyone needs shelter). If some shit like this exposes you, I dont feel bad

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Esrac
03/28/20 7:56:35 PM
#136:


LinkPizza posted...
Probably. Though, I still see those as different. I do believe tenants should have at least a month of extra income to support themselves in case of an emergency. But if a landlord cant pay their rent for one month just because a tenant moves out and it ruins them, then they had no business being a landlord in the first place... Especially because that also means they probably had no money to fix any issue the tenant might have had. So, it's different because the person renting is just renting a house. They should have extra money, but don't need to. The landlord on the other should definitely have extra money. And if they don't, then they probably have no business being a landlord...

They aren't likely to be ruined by a couple tenants failing to pay rent on time. Or failing to make a month. But we aren't necessarily looking at one month of missed payment from one or two broke tenants. The land lords have bills to pay too and they get the money to pay those bills by leasing the homes they own to people, if those people stop paying for an extended period of time, that will eventually become a serious issue.

They aren't likely inclined to provide accommodations to people who can't or won't pay them. In the same way that you aren't likely to want to sell your labor to an employer who can't or won't pay you for it.

It's not reasonable to expect a land lord to house people who can't pay rent for a prolonged period of time.
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LinkPizza
03/28/20 8:02:10 PM
#137:


Esrac posted...
They aren't likely to be ruined by a couple tenants failing to pay rent on time. Or failing to make a month. But we aren't necessarily looking at one month of missed payment from one or two broke tenants. The land lords have bills to pay too and they get the money to pay those bills by leasing the homes they own to people, if those people stop paying for an extended period of time, that will eventually become a serious issue.

They aren't likely inclined to provide accommodations to people who can't or won't pay them. In the same way that you aren't likely to want to sell your labor to an employer who can't or won't pay you for it.

It's not reasonable to expect a land lord to house people who can't pay rent for a prolonged period of time.

Normally, they aren't ruined by a couple on tenants not paying aonth's rent. That's literally why at the very beginning it was said that they were a bad landlord if missing one month's rent would ruin them. That was the whole point. I never said they were bad if they couldn't make it a year of 6 months. They discussion from the beginning was if they couldn't miss a month's rent, they were bad one. Check post #20. That was my first post in the topic... If you're looking at more than one month, that's you. That's not what I was doing... But I was talking about an extending period of time. I don't know why you would think that I was.
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KamenRiderBlade
03/28/20 8:10:55 PM
#138:


averagejoel posted...
incorrect. they make money by owning the house
They have to pay for any of facilities that break under regular use.

If plumbing is broken under normal circumstances, the landlord has to fix it.

If electrical wiring is broken, they have to hire the electrician.

If Heating/Cooling is broken, they are obligated to hire the technician to service it.

If Fridge / Stove is broken, they have to hire the repair person.

The lawn has to be maintained by gardeners of their choice.

Insects / Rodents / Pests, the landlord must call Pest Control.

This is just basic rental obligations, but you would know this if you ever lived in a properly maintained abode that you rented. I did for the better part of a decade and this is all part of the benefits of basic rent that I got to enjoy.

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Coastal_elite
03/28/20 8:11:32 PM
#139:


BeantownHero posted...
the state backing them up.

That "fuck you, pay me" shit only works in the movies.

So.... basically if you're a landlord and somebody is renting, you might as well give away your property?
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LinkPizza
03/28/20 8:15:50 PM
#140:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
They have to pay for any of facilities that break under regular use.

If plumbing is broken under normal circumstances, the landlord has to fix it.

If electrical wiring is broken, they have to hire the electrician.

If Heating/Cooling is broken, they are obligated to hire the technician to service it.

If Fridge / Stove is broken, they have to hire the repair person.

The lawn has to be maintained by gardeners of their choice.

Insects / Rodents / Pests, the landlord must call Pest Control.

This is just basic rental obligations, but you would know this if you ever lived in a properly maintained abode that you rented. I did for the better part of a decade and this is all part of the benefits of basic rent that I got to enjoy.

Actually, from what I've seen, lawns are usually taken care of by the tenant. Though, it can be on the landlord depending on the lease. But I've seen it usually on the tenant's plate. But the rest is usually on the tenant (again, unless the lease specifies otherwise). But these reasons are why I think the tenant should have at least a little extra money tucked away. They need to be able to take care of these problems as soon as they appear. If they can't, then that sucks for the people living there. And depending on the issue, this can cost more than one month's rent...
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LinkPizza
03/28/20 8:17:17 PM
#141:


Coastal_elite posted...
So.... basically if you're a landlord and somebody is renting, you might as well give away your property?

No. It's more like they could give that person extra time. Though, if they would stop peoples mortgage for a month (and by extension, rent payment), that could help, too...
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Esrac
03/28/20 8:22:39 PM
#142:


LinkPizza posted...
Normally, they aren't ruined by a couple on tenants not paying a month's rent. That's literally why at the very beginning it was said that they were a bad landlord if missing one month's rent would ruin them. That was the whole point. I never said they were bad if they couldn't make it a year of 6 months. They discussion from the beginning was if they couldn't miss a month's rent, they were bad one. Check post #20. That was my first post in the topic... If you're looking at more than one month, that's you. That's not what I was doing... But I was talking about an extending period of time. I don't know why you would think that I was. So, does think mean you agree? I never said they were a bad landlord if they. could pay a few months with rent. I said I agreed that they were a bad landlord if they would be ruined by missing one month of rent...

Hey, fair enough. But it starts with one month. That doesn't mean the land lord doesn't lose valuable, important income from one month or that they should just let it go because times are rough. They still have a responsibility to demand payment from the tenants they provide housing for.

If they just let it slide, the tenants will learn to abuse it.
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Esrac
03/28/20 8:24:00 PM
#143:


LinkPizza posted...
Actually, from what I've seen, lawns are usually taken care of by the tenant. Though, it can be on the landlord depending on the lease. But I've seen it usually on the tenant's plate. But the rest is usually on the tenant (again, unless the lease specifies otherwise). But these reasons are why I think the tenant should have at least a little extra money tucked away. They need to be able to take care of these problems as soon as they appear. If they can't, then that sucks for the people living there. And depending on the issue, this can cost more than one month's rent...

That seems to usually vary by the type of location. If it's a house being rented, the tenant usually handles the lawn. If it's an apartment complex, it's usually the land lord.
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LinkPizza
03/28/20 8:35:03 PM
#144:


Esrac posted...
Hey, fair enough. But it starts with one month. That doesn't mean the land lord doesn't lose valuable, important income from one month or that they should just let it go because times are rough. They still have a responsibility to demand payment from the tenants they provide housing for.

If they just let it slide, the tenants will learn to abuse it.

True. It starts with one month. But I didn't take it further. Once they miss their second month, it's bad. And they should just let it go. Unless the whole country stops all mortgage payment for a month. If they do, landlords should also give their tenants a month break since that's what it for. But missing one payment (which should be paid later) shouldn't ruin a landlord. And if it did, then I think the landlord bit off more than they could chew. And maybe should have waited a bit before buying another house... Once they start missing multiple months, that's bad. And then, it makes sense if the landlord couldn't keep up...

Esrac posted...
That seems to usually vary by the type of location. If it's a house being rented, the tenant usually handles the lawn. If it's an apartment complex, it's usually the land lord.

Yeah. That's what I've noticed at most places. And it is usually by location and stuff.
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Atralis
03/28/20 9:57:00 PM
#145:


These kind of bailouts that give a handout to the guy living above his means living paycheck to paycheck that overlook the people that lived responsibly and have some savings irk me.
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Notti
03/30/20 5:12:19 AM
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Pancake
03/30/20 7:42:00 AM
#147:


its madness to hold the business owner (a willful act undertaken by those who should be responsible enough to handle minor financial issues)

then people who enter a contract in which they agree to handle rent should be responsible enough.

no matter how many times you repeat your absurd double standard, it's still wrong.
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BeantownHero
03/30/20 9:08:15 AM
#148:


Pancake posted...
its madness to hold the business owner (a willful act undertaken by those who should be responsible enough to handle minor financial issues)

then people who enter a contract in which they agree to handle rent should be responsible enough.

no matter how many times you repeat your absurd double standard, it's still wrong.

If you say so.


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legendary_zell
03/30/20 11:47:31 AM
#149:


Everyone has to live somewhere. No one has to make their income from owning and restricting housing.

The right to have somewhere decent to live is far more important than the right for landlords to make a specific amount of money.

Workers in the short term don't always have a chance or choice to greatly improve their income. Schooling takes years of time and money, promotions are at another person's discretion, same with new jobs etc. A wage slave can't simply decide they want to own a house, there's so many factors and other decision makers between them and that goal. A landlord decides when and where to be a landlord.

These are just some of the reasons why there is no "double standard" involved in favoring renters over landlords. Just because there are two sides involved doesn't mean that treating the two sides differently is unfair. The sides are fundamentally different.

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Coastal_elite
03/30/20 12:51:09 PM
#150:


if you're a landlord, you will get royally fucked up by this.

But if you're one of those billion dollar corporations whose business is to build high rises and then rent the apartments (like the camden property trust) then you can probably evict people easily.

the enemy is not the small potatoes landowner here...
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BeantownHero
03/30/20 6:56:00 PM
#151:


Coastal_elite posted...
if you're a landlord, you will get royally fucked up by this.

But if you're one of those billion dollar corporations whose business is to build high rises and then rent the apartments (like the camden property trust) then you can probably evict people easily.

the enemy is not the small potatoes landowner here...

"Small potatoes landowners" what a funny phrase


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