Current Events > Trump suggested chloroquine phosphate as a 'game changer' against the cornavirus

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Trump suggested chloroquine phosphate, commonly used to clean aquariums, as a "game changer" against the cornavirus, a couple in their 60s decided to try it. Thirty minutes later they were admitted to a hospital. The man died and the woman is currently in critical condition.
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I read the dosage needs to be so very small, and even then you kind of roll the dice for side effects

No way can I see a source on this?

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Isn't that a treatment for malaria? It only suppresses the symptoms, it's not a cure.

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KillerSlaw posted...

No way can I see a source on this?

He didn't recommend people take aquarium cleaning tabs. Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquin phosphate are antimalarial agents that are showing some efficacy with the disease. He oversold its role in disease managment, though.

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Wow, The President falsifies information and spreads it, leading to the deaths of innocent Americans.

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Again.

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If Trump suggested water against fire, people would immediately discredit it because he said it.

"What an idiot. Water just splashes the fire around. It creates steam which is just as damaging. Fire should be fought with baking soda. Even a kindergartener knows this."

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If true then that wasn't very bright

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Skye Reynolds posted...

If Trump suggested water against fire, people would immediately discredit it because he said it.

"What an idiot. Water just splashes the fire around. It creates steam which is just as damaging. Fire should be fought with baking soda. Even a kindergartener knows this."

Shut the fuck up.

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Smackems posted...

If true then that wasn't very bright

People who listen to Trump never are

Smackems posted...

If true then that wasn't very bright

i read trumps thinks clinical trials to find out if it can be used to treat virus can be done in just one day

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Skye Reynolds posted...

If Trump suggested water against fire, people would immediately discredit it because he said it.

"What an idiot. Water just splashes the fire around. It creates steam which is just as damaging. Fire should be fought with baking soda. Even a kindergartener knows this."

Except this isn't like that at all. This is like Trump bringing up some random thing very few people have heard of to fight fires, but no one knows if it's actually effective and it could cause the house to explode if not used right.

Skye Reynolds posted...

If Trump suggested water against fire, people would immediately discredit it because he said it.

"What an idiot. Water just splashes the fire around. It creates steam which is just as damaging. Fire should be fought with baking soda. Even a kindergartener knows this."

User Since: Jan 2003

found another russian bot

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This just in: Some drugs that are effective at certain doses can be dangerous at much higher doses or when used improperly. More at 11.
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CanCanSam posted...

Except this isn't like that at all. This is like Trump bringing up some random thing very few people have heard of to fight fires, but no one knows if it's actually effective and it could cause the house to explode if not used right.

Fair enough.

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008Zulu posted...

Isn't that a treatment for malaria? It only suppresses the symptoms, it's not a cure.

On that note, why the hell is quinine illegal now?

Smackems posted...

If true then that wasn't very bright

It's a very slanted half-truth. His tweet was misinformed and unnecessary, and for your average medically ignorant citizen it leaves room to interpretation. But then again your average citizen won't go searching for unprescribed medications, that's called an idiot.

But for people mentioning that chloroquine phosphate is found in aquarium cleaning tablets, that's so disingenuous and you are truly showing your own complete idiocy for both not knowing chloroquin phosphate's (and hydroxychloroquine's) longstanding known medical uses and also not knowing investigated treatments for this disease.

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CanCanSam posted...

Except this isn't like that at all. This is like Trump bringing up some random thing very few people have heard of to fight fires, but no one knows if it's actually effective and it could cause the house to explode if not used right.

The FDA already approved it, and even approved it as a preventative measure for children who will be traveling in areas affected by malaria. It's also perfectly legal for doctors to prescribe medications for off-label use. That said, I suppose this is a good example of why it's illegal for a drug company to advertise off-label uses, and why it's illegal for drug companies to advertise prescription medications in most of the rest of the world.

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Serious Cat posted...

The FDA already approved it, and even approved it as a preventative measure for children who will be traveling in areas affected by malaria. It's also perfectly legal for doctors to prescribe medications for off-label use. That said, I suppose this is a good example of why it's illegal for a drug company to advertise off-label uses, and why it's illegal for drug companies to advertise prescription medications in most of the rest of the world.

no they didnt they dont know if the drug has any effect on the corona virus or not so they didnt approve it for treating it

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On one hand, Trump overselling the drug's usefulness against covid is dangerous and something a President shouldn't do when it actually hasn't been properly tested. On the other hand...you're an idiot if you try to take these things without a prescription.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

On that note, why the hell is quinine illegal now?

From 1969, to 1992, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) received 157 reports of health problems related to quinine use, including 23 which had resulted in death. In 1994, the FDA banned the marketing of over-the-counter quinine as a treatment for nocturnal leg cramps. Pfizer Pharmaceuticals had been selling the brand name Legatrin for this purpose. Also sold as a Softgel (by SmithKlineBeecham) as Q-vel. Doctors may still prescribe quinine, but the FDA has ordered firms to stop marketing unapproved drug products containing quinine. The FDA is also cautioning consumers about off-label use of quinine to treat leg cramps. Quinine is approved for treatment of malaria, but was also commonly prescribed to treat leg cramps and similar conditions. Because malaria is life-threatening, the risks associated with quinine use are considered acceptable when used to treat that affliction.[65]
Though Legatrin was banned by the FDA for the treatment of leg cramps, the drug manufacturer URL Mutual has branded a quinine-containing drug named Qualaquin. It is marketed as a treatment for malaria and is sold in the United States only by prescription. In 2004, the CDC reported only 1,347 confirmed cases of malaria in the United States.

From wikipedia.

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008Zulu posted...

From wikipedia.

Okay, I guess that's a good reason.
I just want tonic water that isn't almost entirely high-fructose corn syrup.

marc55 posted...

no they didnt they dont know if the drug has any effect on the corona virus or not so they didnt approve it for treating it

Nor do they have to. It's perfectly legal to prescribe an already approved drug for off-label use.

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The couple mixed a small amount of their fish treatment with a liquid and drank it as a way to prevent the coronavirus, she said..

for fuck's sake

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ZMythos posted...

Wow, The President falsifies information and spreads it, leading to the deaths of innocent Americans.

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Again.

It won't be da last time tbh
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Trump is a cretin and disease on the earth, but honestly what fucking moron would pour industrial strength cleaning fluid down their throat? These people are presumably grown adults, with jobs and driving licenses. The mind boggles.

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Trump referred to Hydroxychloroquine, mixed with another drug, actually. These people took it upon themselves to drink fishbowl cleaning liquid.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Trump referred to Hydroxychloroquine, mixed with another drug, actually. These people took it upon themselves to drink fishbowl cleaning liquid.

You don't need to bat for him, especially not when he repeatedly and fasely claimed it was FDA approved.

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Axiom posted...

People who listen to Trump never are

Yeah, yeah, yeah orange man bad and whatnot

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Smackems posted...

If true then that wasn't very bright

They are Trump supporters
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Wow victim blaming? Yikearinos

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pinky0926 posted...

You don't need to bat for him, especially not when he repeatedly and fasely claimed it was FDA approved.

If he has repeatedly and falsely claimed it was FDA approved you should certainly have no problems posting a video of him saying such.

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He suggested it in a medical setting, and it has shown promising results in Australian and Israeli tests. A quick Google also appears to indicate that Chinese trials are also showing promising results against the Chinese coronavirus, if you can believe anything officially coming out of the PRC. And there seems to be confusion between hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine phosphate, which complicates matters, at least for the freewoman posting an hour after she just woke up.

If you take tabs of fishtank cleaner, you're going to have a bad time.

SH_expert44 posted...

Wow victim blaming? Yikearinos

Trump's the one being blamed for this, he definitely isn't a victim

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It's being used in medical doses in many places as a treatment. It is also undergoing trial use in the US. Self administering an aquarium cleaner isn't a substitute for medical administration and my understanding is they weren't even sick.

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Nomadic View posted...

If he has repeatedly and falsely claimed it was FDA approved you should certainly have no problems posting a video of him saying such.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WitkBCkkXKw

He literally said it's approved. He later got corrected when he got called out, so now he keeps implying that it's approved by tweeting things like, without directly saying it. It sintentionally misleading.

The FDA has moved mountains - Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH...be put in use IMMEDIATELY.

Serious Cat posted...

Nor do they have to. It's perfectly legal to prescribe an already approved drug for off-label use.

.....does this mean any drug without any proof of it helping treat a disease can be prescribed

that doesnt sound right

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marc55 posted...

.....does this mean any drug without any proof of it helping treat a disease can be prescribed

that doesnt sound right

https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-about-expanded-access-and-other-treatment-options/understanding-unapproved-use-approved-drugs-label

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People believe everything he says, how sad.

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Cornavirus on the cob.

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Now in the midst of a pandemic its more important than ever that this man shut up instead of lying or spreading misinformation.

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marc55 posted...

.....does this mean any drug without any proof of it helping treat a disease can be prescribed

that doesnt sound right

It's true, we use off label drugs all the time. It's obviously not willy nilly, and 99% of the time there is some evidence that it works.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html

Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are oral prescription drugs that have been used for treatment of malaria and certain inflammatory conditions. Chloroquine has been used for malaria treatment and chemoprophylaxis, and hydroxychloroquine is used for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus erythematosus and porphyria cutanea <redacted because the gamefaqs swear filter is awful>. Both drugs have in-vitro activity against SARS-CoV, SARS-CoV-2, and other coronaviruses, with hydroxychloroquine having relatively higher potency against SARS-CoV-2 [1,4,5]. A study in China reported that chloroquine treatment of COVID-19 patients had clinical and virologic benefit versus a comparison group, and chloroquine was added as a recommended antiviral for treatment of COVID-19 in China [6]. Based upon limited in-vitro and anecdotal data, chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine are currently recommended for treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in several countries. Both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have known safety profiles with the main concerns being cardiotoxicity (prolonged QT syndrome) with prolonged use in patients with hepatic or renal dysfunction and immunosuppression but have been reportedly well-tolerated in COVID-19 patients.

Due to higher in-vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2 and its wider availability in the United States compared with chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine has been administered to hospitalized COVID-19 patients on an uncontrolled basis in multiple countries, including in the United States. One small study reported that hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with azithromycin reduced detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in upper respiratory tract specimens compared with a non-randomized control group but did not assess clinical benefit [7]. Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin are associated with QT prolongation and caution is advised when considering these drugs in patients with chronic medical conditions (e.g. renal failure, hepatic disease) or who are receiving medications that might interact to cause arrythmias.

Hydroxychloroquine is currently under investigation in clinical trials for pre-exposure or post-exposure prophylaxis of SARS-CoV-2 infection, and treatment of patients with mild, moderate, and severe COVID-19. In the United States, several clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection are planned or will be enrolling soon.

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https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/20/hydroxychloroquine-chloroquine-and-other-potential-covid-19-treatments-explained/

That said, a number of different clinical studies are currently in progress all over the world, and in the U.S., the National Institutes of Health is looking to fill a 400-volunteer study that will provide clinical results related to use of remdesivir, an antiviral drug developed by Gilead originally as a treatment for Ebola, but its still only in clinical trials even for treatment of that disease. This study could also add other drug candidates as additional test therapies. Meanwhile, studies in China and France have examined the effectiveness of anti-malarial drugs, including chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine including one small-scale study that suggests the positive effects of hydroxycholoroquine in reducing both the duration and symptoms of COVID-19 in combination with an antibiotic called azithromycin.

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Smh
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DanHaren2019 posted...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WitkBCkkXKw

He literally said it's approved. He later got corrected when he got called out, so now he keeps implying that it's approved by tweeting things like, without directly saying it. It sintentionally misleading.

The FDA has moved mountains - Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH...be put in use IMMEDIATELY.

The FDA has approved compassionate use for a significant number of patients is far removed from saying generally it is FDA approved.

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Nomadic View posted...

The FDA has approved compassionate use for a significant number of patients is far removed from saying generally it is FDA approved.

No, did u even watch the video. That compassionate use is for a different drug that he didn't mention and was just speaking out of his ass. That drug is remdesivir. He later flat out said chloroquine is FDA approved.

Watch the whole fucking video then talk or stop posting trash.

Rekt
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