Current Events > Countries aren't going to learn any lessons from this are they

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From the obvious benefit of something like UBI or affordable health care (for the US), to something as "simple" as working from home instead of having to drag your ass to an office and waste 8-10 hours of your life there almost every day of the week...

It's maddening
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Of course not why would they?

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Doesn't Italy have universal healthcare?

We need to have a shutdown in North America like Italy is doing. Have you seen those Youtube vids yet from Italy? They are living in the "future" and we are falling behind.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Doesn't Italy have universal healthcare?

RoadsterUFO posted...

This. It is like the advocates of this go out of their way to purposely ignore the rationing and shortages happening in hospitals right now, but yeah, suddenly implementing a system that will cause those more frequently is going to fix everything.

I'm specifically referring to UHC in regards to testing, hospital stays, other medical emergencies, etc. No one's arguing that a UHC system would have stopped this, because we know it wouldn't have.

Do you think anyone in Italy is worried about how they're going to pay for it if they end up in the hospital because of this? No.
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Bio1590 posted...

Do you think anyone in Italy is worried about how they're going to pay for it if they end up in the hospital because of this? No.

I imagine people in Italy are more worried about not even being able to get into a hospital because of this.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/

Now the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SIAARTI) has published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow as these already extraordinary circumstances worsen. The document begins by likening the moral choices Italian doctors may face to the forms of wartime triage that are required in the field of catastrophe medicine. Instead of providing intensive care to all patients who need it, the authors suggest, it may become necessary to follow the most widely shared criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources.

The principle they settle upon is utilitarian. Informed by the principle of maximizing benefits for the largest number, they suggest that the allocation criteria need to guarantee that those patients with the highest chance of therapeutic success will retain access to intensive care.

The authors, who are medical doctors, then deduce a set of concrete recommendations for how to manage these impossible choices, including this: It may become necessary to establish an age limit for access to intensive care.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Youre arguing for more rationing and shortages. Making anything universal does not suddenly render scarcity out of existence. Italy is literally having to pick which patient has to die or be treated because of the current pandemic.

And yet Italy still has more doctors per person and hospital beds per person than the US does. You're not making the argument you think you are.
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Nothing will change if it doesn't fit the interests of the 1%

America :)