Current Events > Democratic Primary #Nein

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but Biden. Literally Biden is the DNC best pick.

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malenz posted...

but Biden. Literally Biden is the DNC best pick.

DNC didn't pick him, the voters did.

Sanders had just as much opportunity to reach out and attract new voters and factions into his coalition and he opted not to.

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Doom_Art posted...

DNC didn't pick him, the voters did.

Sanders had just as much opportunity to reach out and attract new voters and factions into his coalition and he opted not to.

You're ignoring the fact that liberal voters can be just as dumb and impressionable as republicans can be. So of course they'll vote for the sponsored "gift horse".

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"These people are dumb and impressionable because they didn't vote for my candidate"

that's another example of what I'm talking about

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Doom_Art posted...

"These people are dumb and impressionable because they didn't vote for my candidate"

that's another example of what I'm talking about

Sure, if you want to get childish and pretend DNC hasn't been propping him up to get rid of Sanders.

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Explain what "propping him up" entails, exactly?

Is it just having them there for people to vote for?

Are you suggesting that it was a bad thing to allow people to run against Bernie in the primary?

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Doom_Art posted...

Explain what "propping him up" entails, exactly?

Is it just having them there for people to vote for?

Are you suggesting that it was a bad thing to allow people to run against Bernie in the primary?

I like how youre not even pretending to make arguments in good faith anymore lol

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Doom_Art posted...

Are you suggesting that it was a bad thing to allow people to run against Bernie in the primary?

what? not at all. but Biden had full DNC support from day 1 while Bernie was the odd man out. It's amazing he did as well as he did.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

I like how youre not even pretending to make arguments in good faith anymore lol

He also tried to pull a Dont get your political rhetoric from South Park sweetie because someone said both Trump and Biden are ass.

Dudes being obtuse as fuck

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malenz posted...

but Biden had full DNC support from day 1

what did this gain him in your mind

as far as the ability to win votes/delegates

what is "full DNC support"

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This conversation just further illustrates my issue

Bernie ran a weak campaign, and in the previous 4 years he's made little effort to reach out to new voters and groups. We saw the results of that over the last few weeks.

But the blame is with the DNC apparently

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What is Joe's campaign exactly? Getting rid of social security, medicare, and abortion rights?

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you know you fucked up when even Spooking thinks you're full of it

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-is-considering-several-options-as-he-ponders-his-campaigns-future/ar-BB11uRUv

to summarize, he's considering 1) keep running and accumulate delegates but be nice to biden 2) compete aggressively 3) drop out

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That's another issue I got with other Sanders supporters since you were kind enough to bring this up

This sort of exaggeration and dishonesty when talking about any other politician besides Sanders

I'm not really interested in arguing about Biden's record. Mostly because I don't know if I'd consider myself a supporter per se.

But from the cursory bit of knowledge I got on his life/career that's a bit of a dishonest way of framing him

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malenz posted...

what? not at all. but Biden had full DNC support from day 1

No he absolutely did not. It wasn't until after South Carolina did the DNC feel confident in Biden. Lets not lie about this.

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Doom_Art posted...

That's another issue I got with other Sanders supporters since you were kind enough to bring this up

This sort of exaggeration and dishonesty when talking about any other politician besides Sanders

I'm not really interested in arguing about Biden's record. Mostly because I don't know if I'd consider myself a supporter per se.

But from the cursory bit of knowledge I got on his life/career that's a bit of a dishonest way of framing him

okay so what was his campaign? I'm genuinely asking because I have no clue.

Iodine posted...

No he absolutely did not. It wasn't until after South Carolina did the DNC feel confident in Biden. Lets not lie about this.

isn't that kind of when he started pulling ahead? he seemed like a total loser at first then suddenly everyone liked him. call me crazy, but I think it stinks

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Doom_Art posted...

That's another issue I got with other Sanders supporters since you were kind enough to bring this up

This sort of exaggeration and dishonesty when talking about any other politician besides Sanders

Okay then lets ta-

Doom_Art posted...

I'm not really interested in arguing about Biden's record.

of course not

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Bernies biggest problem was his unwillingness to try and build collations within the Democratic party. He try to be outsider who would overthrow the establishment but that isn't what Normie voters wanted.

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DaveTheUseless posted...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-is-considering-several-options-as-he-ponders-his-campaigns-future/ar-BB11uRUv

to summarize, he's considering 1) keep running and accumulate delegates but be nice to biden 2) compete aggressively 3) drop out

Well if his priors are any indication he'll likely go with 2 just cuz

As for 1, that's not necessarily a bad thing I guess? It's practically impossible for him to win the nomination at this stage and it's unlikely the Biden campaign would bother debating him again, but if he stayed in to help promote other progressives in downballot races that'd be cool

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malenz posted...

What is Joe's campaign exactly? Getting rid of social security, medicare, and abortion rights?

Yeah. These are the new progressive positions #VoteBlueNoMatterWho

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Iodine posted...

No he absolutely did not. It wasn't until after South Carolina did the DNC feel confident in Biden. Lets not lie about this.

I think folks already forgot how much absolutely everyone was shitting on the guy. Other candidates, media talking heads, even other party members.

malenz posted...

okay so what was his campaign? I'm genuinely asking because I have no clue.

iunno you can go to his website or something I guess?

if i were to make a summary i'd say "back to normal" is the theme he's going for

i never said i liked or agreed with it btw lol

malenz posted...

isn't that kind of when he started pulling ahead? he seemed like a total loser at first then suddenly everyone liked him. call me crazy, but I think it stinks

stinks how? what are you suggesting?

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Doom_Art posted...

iunno you can go to his website or something I guess?

if i were to make a summary i'd say "back to normal" is the theme he's going for

i never said i liked or agreed with it btw lol

then why were you saying he ran a better campaign?

Doom_Art posted...

stinks how? what are you suggesting?

I've already told you what I'm suggesting. That he got backing from the DNC and mindless liberals in droves went out to vote for him.

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you didn't explain what "backing from the DNC" was

like do you they shot out a mind ray and everyone who wasn't sanders supporters went blank and was forced to vote for biden

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malenz posted...

then why were you saying he ran a better campaign?

...because he won?

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Doom_Art posted...

...because he won?

uhhh okay? so you don't know lol

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Yeah actual support from the DNC Biden recieved consisted of forcing Pete and klobuchar to drop out and have some prominent democrats endorse Biden.

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malenz posted...

isn't that kind of when he started pulling ahead? he seemed like a total loser at first then suddenly everyone liked him. call me crazy, but I think it stinks

He himself said South Carolina was going to be his firewall. Most pundits laughed or called it absurd based on polling and New Hampshire/Nevada, but turns out he was right

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i don't know what answer you're looking for there

the goal of the primary is to win the most delegates (and therefore the nomination)

Biden won more votes and more delegates, to the point where he's the presumptive nominee


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Doom_Art posted...

you didn't explain what "backing from the DNC" was

like do you they shot out a mind ray and everyone who wasn't sanders supporters went blank and was forced to vote for biden

well you see it's like this. you're a liberal minded voter. the DNC officially endorses a candidate and says he's the go to guy. So that's who you vote for.

Doom_Art posted...

i don't know what answer you're looking for there

the goal of the primary is to win the most delegates (and therefore the nomination)

Biden won more votes and more delegates, to the point where he's the presumptive nominee

I was kind of wondering what his campaign was that justifies his victory since you said it was based on his campaign

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Biden objectively ran a worse campaign than Sanders. He is winning largely based on Obama nostalgia.

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Doom_Art posted...

...because he won?

That doesnt mean he ran a better campaign. He barely ran or didn't run at all in some of the states he won cause boomers came out in droves to vote for him, most likely because they're sick of trump and see biden as the best option to get him out of office

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ThyCorndog posted...

That doesnt mean he ran a better campaign. He barely ran or didn't run at all in some of the states he won cause boomers came out in droves to vote for him, most likely because they're sick of trump and see biden as the best option to get him out of office

makes sense

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malenz posted...

well you see it's like this. you're a liberal minded voter. the DNC officially endorses a candidate and says he's the go to guy. So that's who you vote for.

Lol.

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Plus Biden isn't a member of congress so there isn't much he can do about the current crisis other than make some videos.

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COVxy posted...

Lol.

do you really think most liberals are any different than most conservatives and that they really think about who they're voting for?

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malenz posted...

do you really think most liberals are any different than most conservatives and that they really think about who they're voting for?

I think what you presented was an exceedingly naive view of human behavior.

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COVxy posted...

I think what you presented was an exceedingly naive view of human behavior.

I think it's more naiive of you to say most people aren't like that. Look at who is President of this country for example.

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malenz posted...

I think it's more naiive of you to say most people aren't like that. Look at who is President of this country for example.

People voted for Trump for a lot of reasons, most of them not being "because someone told them to".

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most people are followers and want to be told what to do by "experts", whether they realize it or not. for example, all of those studies of people doing what they're told without question when someone in a white coat tells them to, and so on

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COVxy posted...

People voted for Trump for a lot of reasons, most of them not being "because someone told them to".

okay you got me there, but do you think for any moment any Trump supporter will stop his or her own support of Trump due to "liberal outrage" and see the bigger picture? No, because Fox News tells them he's daddy and can do no wrong. I don't see why it would be much different on the other side of the political spectrum. Just because you have critical thinking skills doesn't mean the majority of people do. People don't WANT to think, they want to be led.

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I don't think that necessarily, I think it just made the difference. A lot of people have a lot to lose if Bernie were to win.

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love how people who are in a literal cult like to say others only vote for who they're told to vote for

Broseph_Stalin posted...

love how people who are in a literal cult like to say others only vote for who they're told to vote for

I'm not a Bernie Bro

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ThyCorndog posted...

most people are followers and want to be told what to do by "experts", whether they realize it or not. for example, all of those studies of people doing what they're told without question when someone in a white coat tells them to, and so on

Fun fact, there are a bunch celebrity "experiments" that make it into Psych101, and that took the field by storm because they fit the cultural zeitgeist, but were essentially nondata. The Milgram obedience study is one of them, along with the Stanford Prison experiment, and Little Albert, etc...

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