Poll of the Day > Too many lesbian/gay couples in shows

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Makes it seem unrealistic

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List all the gay shows that you know

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List is too high where theres shows same sex hooks up makes out or is a couple

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Arv understands they are trying to get veiwership from different demographics but it seems wrong they are using them people deserve Better than this

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If you compare the number of straight relationships is all shows to the number of gay/lesbians relationships in all shows, they might actually be closer to the real world numbers than you know. Also, there's a good amount more gay people that what we currently know about, so...
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why are there no shows about bisexual men only

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I think TV could use more lesbian relationships.

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LinkPizza posted...

If you compare the number of straight relationships is all shows to the number of gay/lesbians relationships in all shows, they might actually be closer to the real world numbers than you know. Also, there's a good amount more gay people that what we currently know about, so...

Arvs not talking about shows from the 1950 Arvs talking about modern day shows Arvs noticed it in some commercials to

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A guilty pleasure of mine is watching soaps. These soaps are based on real life for the most part so always have representation. Providing it makes sense storyline wise I don't care what sexuality a character is.

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keep in mind Arv doesnt hate lgbtq Arv just hates how they are being represented you Shouldnt like something because media makes you or society you should just let things be natural

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ArvTheGreat posted...

Arvs not talking about shows from the 1950 Arvs talking about modern day shows Arvs noticed it in some commercials to

I am, too. There are tons of shows that have just straight relationships. And many of the ones with gay.lesbian relationships still have more straight relationships in them. And it's good that it's in commercials. Some show that it's normal by not even mentioning anything about them being gay/lesbian...
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People dont see it like Arv sees it they are just glad to see them on TV so they are all for it

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It's getting to the point where some heterosexual folk are making more of a drama of someones sexuality then the person themselves. Sexuality shouldn't matter unless you're actually interested in said person.

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ArvTheGreat posted...

People dont see it like Arv sees it they are just glad to see them on TV so they are all for it

Or maybe youre too hyper focused on it...
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Yaknow, for all the token and genuine gay people I've seen on TV... ... I don't think I've EVER seen one in a relationship.

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Lokarin posted...

Yaknow, for all the token and genuine gay people I've seen on TV... ... I don't think I've EVER seen one in a relationship.

Its not in every show. The ones that treat them more human and don.they try to force the stereotype or force their sexuality in your face are usually better at it. Its treated like normal, as it should be...
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What I meant was I've never seen them in a relationship

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Boomers still feel they're being progressive by including a gay so they make the extra effort to pat themselves on the back when they do.

I'd rather sexuality was left out of things in general though.
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Lokarin posted...

What I meant was I've never seen them in a relationship

Yeah. I understood what you said... That's why my answer is what it is...
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entertainment isnt supposed to reflect reality...otherwise I wouldnt watch anime and play video games.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Boomers still feel they're being progressive by including a gay so they make the extra effort to pat themselves on the back when they do.

I'd rather sexuality was left out of things in general though.

Kinda like your life? Jk Arv kids

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Lokarin posted...

Yaknow, for all the token and genuine gay people I've seen on TV... ... I don't think I've EVER seen one in a relationship.

The gay couple in Shameless got married on the season finale

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I do agree, especially since it feels like it's mainly lazy and cheap writing. Have a side character or two just lying around you want to make seem special without putting in any extra work? Make them gay/lesbian. Especially if they're on the side of good and you want to make the BBEG even more clearly the BBEG. I think the point where I hit my limit was The Dragon Prince where...

The Queen of that one nation not only ended up having lesbian moms, but was the only one who really stood up to the dark wizard and ended up being the one who saved the day. I love it when the heroes receive unexpected aid at the last moment but I also rolled my eyes once I heard that queen's backstory and went 'let me guess. She's good at archery and/or horsemanship, her moms were universally beloved, and she'll end up saving the day" and having that be confirmed just felt... lazy. I shouldn't be able to predict a plotpoint so easily!

There are other shows of course and I won't deny that there are some issues with straight characters relationships (ex: Male and female lead almost always ending up romantically involved) but I wish the gay relationships didn't feel either so pandering and/or lazy in their inclusion.

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why dont you cry about it, arv

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90% or more of the new shows I watch have gay men or women in them now. Supergirl has a trans in it as well as lesbians.

I don't have a issue with being gay, trans and so on but it's like shoved in your face all the time is extremely cringeworthy at it's finest.

Welcome to the century we live in today.

xjayguyx posted...

but it's like shoved in your face all the time

sounds like something only someone who has a problem with gay/trans people would say

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

sounds like something only someone who has a problem with gay/trans people would say

You sound like a triggered leftist.

"I don't hate gay people, I just hate when they're represented in entertainment" with a little "I don't hate gay people in entertainment, I just hate when they do anything gay" thrown in.
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xjayguyx posted...

You sound like a triggered leftist.

oh fuck, you got me

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GanonsSpirit posted...

"I don't hate gay people, I just hate when they're represented in entertainment" with a little "I don't hate gay people in entertainment, I just hate when they do anything gay" thrown in.

guys Im not racist I have 1 black friend

these arent the most intelligent people around

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I agree with lesbians. At least in cw shows there where far more lesbians than gay guys in the Super hero related shows and what gay guys showed up where brief. Hell in riverdale the main gay guy wasnt really a big character

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Boomers still feel they're being progressive by including a gay so they make the extra effort to pat themselves on the back when they do.

As long as they can easily edit it out for China and the Middle East.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

I agree with lesbians. At least in cw shows there where far more lesbians than gay guys in the Super hero related shows and what gay guys showed up where brief. Hell in riverdale the main gay guy wasnt really a big character

I think it has to do with more straight guys being ok with lesbian females for whatever reason... possibly...
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LinkPizza posted...

I think it has to do with more straight guys being ok with lesbian females for whatever reason... possibly...

Probs ya

DirtBasedSoap posted...

sounds like something only someone who has a problem with gay/trans people would say

I like apples. I consider the Granny Smith to be the most delicious apple on earth. I also like Mac & Cheese. It is probably my favorite 'cheap' meal around. I would not want Granny Smith apples mixed in with my Mac & Cheese. Likewise, when I eat Mac & Cheese every night I become sick of it and desire basically anything else to eat for a meal. I still love both foods, but I neither desire to have them mixed or have them constantly all the time.

I am okay with LGBT relationships in games and shows. I was just playing a game in which, not only is the entire cast female, but there are at least two implied Lesbian relationships involved. I certainly don't mind LGBT stuff being in games and shows. I get irritated, however, whenever they not only pop up all the freaking time, but when they are lazily written and horrifically predictable. Straight couples have their issues as well. I can think of plenty of terrible straight relationships that I've seen over the years.

I don't think I'd be so critical of LGBT relationships in shows and movies so much if they eased up on the frequency and focused more on the quality of the relationship.

I'm sure you know of some similar issues. Like how, if there is a girl on the antagonist side, odds are she's either the Token Good who will defect to the heroes side, or even if not she'll at least be sympathetic whereas the men will be largely irredeemable? Obviously I don't mind when it's well done, but if I were to show you a group of five bad guys featuring three men, an animal, and a woman, and asked you which one would likely join the heroes team, you'd KNOW it will be the woman without seeing anything else. Because lazy writing is lazy. Likewise, I feel confident that side characters whom share a friendship-style relationship and gender will be revealed as gay, be unquestionably on the heroes side/side of good, and be portrayed mostly or entirely positively with an 'accept yourself for who you are' plot at most for 'flaws'.

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Unbridled9 posted...

I like apples.

ya know you could have stopped there and had a really pleasant post

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Mead posted...

ya know you could have stopped there and had a really pleasant post

Sorry mate, but I hate terrible and lazy writing too much and LGBT stuff is really standing out with that now-a-days.

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Unbridled9 posted...

I like apples. I consider the Granny Smith to be the most delicious apple on earth. I also like Mac & Cheese. It is probably my favorite 'cheap' meal around. I would not want Granny Smith apples mixed in with my Mac & Cheese. Likewise, when I eat Mac & Cheese every night I become sick of it and desire basically anything else to eat for a meal. I still love both foods, but I neither desire to have them mixed or have them constantly all the time.

I am okay with LGBT relationships in games and shows. I was just playing a game in which, not only is the entire cast female, but there are at least two implied Lesbian relationships involved. I certainly don't mind LGBT stuff being in games and shows. I get irritated, however, whenever they not only pop up all the freaking time, but when they are lazily written and horrifically predictable. Straight couples have their issues as well. I can think of plenty of terrible straight relationships that I've seen over the years.

I don't think I'd be so critical of LGBT relationships in shows and movies so much if they eased up on the frequency and focused more on the quality of the relationship.

I'm sure you know of some similar issues. Like how, if there is a girl on the antagonist side, odds are she's either the Token Good who will defect to the heroes side, or even if not she'll at least be sympathetic whereas the men will be largely irredeemable? Obviously I don't mind when it's well done, but if I were to show you a group of five bad guys featuring three men, an animal, and a woman, and asked you which one would likely join the heroes team, you'd KNOW it will be the woman without seeing anything else. Because lazy writing is lazy. Likewise, I feel confident that side characters whom share a friendship-style relationship and gender will be revealed as gay, be unquestionably on the heroes side/side of good, and be portrayed mostly or entirely positively with an 'accept yourself for who you are' plot at most for 'flaws'.

Honestly, I don't know where everyone is seeing all these gay/lesbian relationships, tbh. I rarely see them. And even one per show isn't a lot. I also don't see the problem with them being in more show, or more shows showing them. You can say you have no problem with them, but it sure sounds like you do. Saying you don't want them popping up all the time. Especially with how many show have constant straight relationships all the time. And those are major plot points. I don't see why having a gay relationship is so bad. Had you said you wanted less relationships over all, then it wouldn't sound like you didn't like gay people. But the way you wrote what you did makes it sound like you don't... Or at the very least, don't like seeing it. Which feels kind of offensive...

Also, like you said, straight relationships can be written poorly. Part of the problem could possibly be that none of the writers know anything about a gay/lesbian relationship. So it's forced and wrong. But if they would just try to keep it normal like any relationship, it might flow better. They keep trying to make it special or different, when it's really not that different...
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LinkPizza posted...

Honestly, I don't know where everyone is seeing all these gay/lesbian relationships, tbh. I rarely see them. And even one per show isn't a lot. I also don't see the problem with them being in more show, or more shows showing them. You can say you have no problem with them, but it sure sounds like you do. Saying you don't want them popping up all the time. Especially with how many show have constant straight relationships all the time. And those are major plot points. I don't see why having a gay relationship is so bad. Had you said you wanted less relationships over all, then it wouldn't sound like you didn't like gay people. But the way you wrote what you did makes it sound like you don't... Or at the very least, don't like seeing it. Which feels kind of offensive...

Also, like you said, straight relationships can be written poorly. Part of the problem could possibly be that none of the writers know anything about a gay/lesbian relationship. So it's forced and wrong. But if they would just try to keep it normal like any relationship, it might flow better. They keep trying to make it special or different, when it's really not that different...

Well, I think that last bit hits the nail on the head. They don't know what to do with the gay relationship so they force it and it ends up terribly written. As a result the gay relationships stick out horribly and become an indication up upcoming cringe. After all, if the LGBT relationship has, like, a 75+% chance of being forced, terribly written, and whatever else, then you come to expect it to mean pain. Straight relationships are abundant and common enough to simply not have that issue (especially since there are tons of solid straight relationships) but LGBT relationships don't have that to fall back on.

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Unbridled9 posted...

Well, I think that last bit hits the nail on the head. They don't know what to do with the gay relationship so they force it and it ends up terribly written. As a result the gay relationships stick out horribly and become an indication up upcoming cringe. After all, if the LGBT relationship has, like, a 75+% chance of being forced, terribly written, and whatever else, then you come to expect it to mean pain. Straight relationships are abundant and common enough to simply not have that issue (especially since there are tons of solid straight relationships) but LGBT relationships don't have that to fall back on.

Sure. But by never putting LGBT relationship in everything, they start making it seem like it's bad or not normal anymore. And straight relationship only have solid relationships to fall back on because they exist. If they keep alienating LGBT relationships, they will never have any to fall back on like straight relationships.

Eventually, they'll either finally understand that the relationships aren't that different, or bring on an LGBT member to the writing team who can tell them that. But they shouldn't just remove them because some people don't understand that... Unless they want to remove ALL relationships... That would be fine, I guess...
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LinkPizza posted...

I think it has to do with more straight guys being ok with lesbian females for whatever reason... possibly...

Most likely. But it bugs me. And making constatine bi just didnt feel right to me. Idk why.

I did love gay snark for what little he was around though. When he said this girl looked good and she gave him a confused look and he quipped "im gay not blind"

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LinkPizza posted...

Sure. But by never putting LGBT relationship in everything, they start making it seem like it's bad or not normal anymore. And straight relationship only have solid relationships to fall back on because they exist. If they keep alienating LGBT relationships, they will never have any to fall back on like straight relationships.

Eventually, they'll either finally understand that the relationships aren't that different, or bring on an LGBT member to the writing team who can tell them that. But they shouldn't just remove them because some people don't understand that... Unless they want to remove ALL relationships... That would be fine, I guess...

I'm not suggesting that they be removed 'from everything'. Just that writers stop using it so frequently and cheaply. That does mean that there should be a reduction because, well, focusing on quality. That does not mean I want it gone from everywhere.

Anyways, maybe it's just me, but it seems like the problem relationships fall into at least one of three categories. Relationships that are entirely shallow and meaningless, where it's political, or where it's just right the frick out of nowhere. Usually with characters who are similar in nature. Like in Dragon Age: Inquisition Sera is an annoying little elf who feels like a tumblrina and a relationship with her is frustrating at best. Compared to the much better Lelianna lesbian romance (which isn't all that good) or even the Morrigan straight romance and the shortcomings are clear in the writing squad... though I don't think anyone denies that DA:O's writing is MUCH better than 2 and I because of what happened at Bioware. Likewise I think part of the problem in DA:I is the simple lack of romantic options in general unless you're a straight female elf (who gets four choices). 8 romantic options and they spread themselves so thin and with poor choices. Seriously, why the frick can't I romance Leliana if she's single come Inquisition? That has got to be one of the dumber design decisions in the game.

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Unbridled9 posted...

I'm not suggesting that they be removed 'from everything'. Just that writers stop using it so frequently and cheaply. That does mean that there should be a reduction because, well, focusing on quality. That does not mean I want it gone from everywhere.

Anyways, maybe it's just me, but it seems like the problem relationships fall into at least one of three categories. Relationships that are entirely shallow and meaningless, where it's political, or where it's just right the frick out of nowhere. Usually with characters who are similar in nature. Like in Dragon Age: Inquisition Sera is an annoying little elf who feels like a tumblrina and a relationship with her is frustrating at best. Compared to the much better Lelianna lesbian romance (which isn't all that good) or even the Morrigan straight romance and the shortcomings are clear in the writing squad... though I don't think anyone denies that DA:O's writing is MUCH better than 2 and I because of what happened at Bioware. Likewise I think part of the problem in DA:I is the simple lack of romantic options in general unless you're a straight female elf (who gets four choices). 8 romantic options and they spread themselves so thin and with poor choices. Seriously, why the frick can't I romance Leliana if she's single come Inquisition? That has got to be one of the dumber design decisions in the game.

I honestly wouldnt change the frequency. But I also must be watching different shows. I dont see it all the time like everyone else. From the shows I watched, there may be like one LGBT couple every couple of shows. And thats probably less than whats in the real world. So, Im fine with the frequency being shown. And if I had to change the amount, I would probably add a little more. But again, thats because I dont see it as much as everyone else. And with the amount of not straight people in the world, I think its the time have more. But whatever...

For me, I do see good ones and bad ones, but the same for straight hit relationships. But theres so many straight relationships that having a bunch of bad ones doesnt even matter. Even if they had a higher percentage of bad ones, people probably dont care much because of the good ones. But its not up to me, anyway. I just dont want to regress into hiding the LGBT relationships again...
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LinkPizza posted...

But by never putting LGBT relationship in everything, they start making it seem like it's bad or not normal anymore.

Then I guess since you don't see drifting and BDSM on TV it must be bad. /s

You don't need to be represented to understand that what you do isn't immoral.
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Unbridled9 posted...

I like apples. I consider the Granny Smith to be the most delicious apple on earth. I also like Mac & Cheese. It is probably my favorite 'cheap' meal around. I would not want Granny Smith apples mixed in with my Mac & Cheese. Likewise, when I eat Mac & Cheese every night I become sick of it and desire basically anything else to eat for a meal. I still love both foods, but I neither desire to have them mixed or have them constantly all the time.

I am okay with LGBT relationships in games and shows. I was just playing a game in which, not only is the entire cast female, but there are at least two implied Lesbian relationships involved. I certainly don't mind LGBT stuff being in games and shows. I get irritated, however, whenever they not only pop up all the freaking time, but when they are lazily written and horrifically predictable. Straight couples have their issues as well. I can think of plenty of terrible straight relationships that I've seen over the years.

I don't think I'd be so critical of LGBT relationships in shows and movies so much if they eased up on the frequency and focused more on the quality of the relationship.

I'm sure you know of some similar issues. Like how, if there is a girl on the antagonist side, odds are she's either the Token Good who will defect to the heroes side, or even if not she'll at least be sympathetic whereas the men will be largely irredeemable? Obviously I don't mind when it's well done, but if I were to show you a group of five bad guys featuring three men, an animal, and a woman, and asked you which one would likely join the heroes team, you'd KNOW it will be the woman without seeing anything else. Because lazy writing is lazy. Likewise, I feel confident that side characters whom share a friendship-style relationship and gender will be revealed as gay, be unquestionably on the heroes side/side of good, and be portrayed mostly or entirely positively with an 'accept yourself for who you are' plot at most for 'flaws'.

Gay people are cool I just dont want to fucking see them. EVER.

comparing this shit to food is so dumb lmao

do you complain about all the straight couples that are lazily written and pop up all the time? sounds like deep down, homosexuality bothers you.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

do you complain about all the straight couples that are lazily written and pop up all the time? sounds like deep down, homosexuality bothers you.

People don't add hetero couples because it's required though. A bad writer writing something they like is bad, a bad writer writing something because it's the current trend is awful.
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I don't know where we are in this topic. I just want to say that CW shows always add unnecessary love interests. Like season 1 of Flash had like two-ish couples? And then suddenly everyone is a couple! They were all added so abruptly and the drama is always the same and unnecessary. It really detracts from the story (or I guess the "story").

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Then I guess since you don't see drifting and BDSM on TV it must be bad. /s

You don't need to be represented to understand that what you do isn't immoral.

The thing is that a lot of people do think its bad. Or at the very least, taboo. So, youre proving my point... Thanks for the assist!
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

Gay people are cool I just dont want to fucking see them. EVER.

comparing this shit to food is so dumb lmao

do you complain about all the straight couples that are lazily written and pop up all the time? sounds like deep down, homosexuality bothers you.

Why do you assume I'm straight?

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Unbridled9 posted...

Why do you assume I'm straight?

Technically, you dont have to be straight for his words to ring true... homosexuality could bother you even if youre gay. That happens to a lot of people... You could also be gay and not want to see other gay couples. Or whatever...
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