Board 8 > Ace Attorney Trilogy Mafia Topic 7: I Just Want Love

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Alive
1. Scare
2. MZero
3. Sultan
4. Red
5. 5tar
6. Sbell
7. IGCD
8. Tange
9. Ulti
10. Lolo

Dead
1. Death - LD1 (Manfred von Karma, SCUM Roleblocker)
2. Crescent - KN1 (Turner Grey, TOWN Doctor)
3. Puns - LD2 (Damon Gant, SCUM Flavor Investigator)
4. Chris - KN2 (Maggey Byrde, TOWN Vaniila)
5. Corrik - KN2 (Dick Gumshoe, TOWN Weak Flavor Investigator)
6. Han - LD3 (Manfred von Karma, SCUM Roleblocker)
7. Lea - KN3 (Iris, TOWN Vanilla)
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I guess this topic now

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Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag

Scare's definitely still part of my process of elimination

and on my personal list of people to give the evil eye to for ending the topics so early.

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The biggest thing rattling around my head... is Han.

Sucks to be still stuck in the past but when the game ends early with Han calling his role as he did, but my head has kept mulling on his after-hammer post over the long night.

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What are you concerned about with Han?

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I think I just spent too much time thinking "what if he's town" Saturday and Sunday, to the point it flavored me distrustful of Mzero and Ulti. Not that I was trustful of Ulti day 3 anyway, and seeing the kill of Lea instead of you or Mzero just brought out my inner skeptic even more.

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too many people corroborated ulti's claim at this point, so its not even possible for him to be lying about talking to dead town chat.

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With the post after the hammer, it's at least clear that Han was not expecting it. /not in cahoots with Sbell

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red13n posted...

too many people corroborated ulti's claim at this point, so its not even possible for him to be lying about talking to dead town chat.

I do believe ulti can talk to dead town chat.

But if Crescent isn't there and we know him town it's not ironclad proof in and of itself that Han isn't?

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Crescent isnt there because it is crescent, I wouldn't look into it beyond that. Again, if there was something fishy going on with that chris wouldnt provide ulti any info.

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I think, yeah. I should put those thoughts to bed.

Ok.

Does your roleblock of 5tar factor into lynching 5tar at all or give you any pause, red?

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Tag

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Anyone else still around?

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Lolo_Guru posted...

Does your roleblock of 5tar factor into lynching 5tar at all or give you any pause, red?

No.

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when do we lynch

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Ok, so...

state of the game:

Town 100%:
Lolo

Confirmed:
MZero through being roleblocked by scum / setup meta expects two scanners
red through there not being 3 scum roleblocks
Ulti through Dead town Chat helpers
IGCD through Ulti's claim of Corrik's scan

Probably not scum:
Sbell: Mayor claim seems legit / Han's Hammer plus Han's post hammer post talking to Sbell like that... well... they don't feel like scumbuds. It's not impossible, but... feels unlikely.

Everyone else is in play, which leaves Scare, Sultan, 5tar, and Tange.

Frankly I want Scare to be scum the most. =P

I think 5tar is scum (pretty much the only thing going for him as a is the n2 roleblock, but I guess it's not as important to me), and if 5tar is scum and lynched, then red's roleblock confirms people town if there's still a kill/catches scum if not, and that result goes to ulti anyway.


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ScareChan posted...

when do we lynch

When I vote, duh.

Unless I decide to vote you, then it'd take awhile.

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Hm...

*scans topic around Ulti/Sbell's claim.

So Tange is perfectly up to date with what's going on with their claimings but the moment it happens, AFKs and doesn't post anything?

Is Tange a weird timezone? Or what?

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Lolo_Guru posted...

Everyone else is in play, which leaves Scare, Sultan, 5tar, and Tange.

Agree with this, especially if 5tar flips non-ninja. His posts today imply he couldn't be tracked last night, so if he's not ninja his partner sent in the kill, and you were roleblocked by red so it couldn't have been you.

My ranking would be
5tar
Tange
Scare
Sultan

Not seeing a scum sultan here (says the guy who busted scum sultan last game)

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I'm guessing the remaining scum are ninja and spent poisoner/roleblocker/etc.

5tar being ninja makes a lot of sense if scum assumed I'd track him again, hence why I was left alive

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Wait I didn't actually claim yet huh lmao

Well still scum may have guessed what my role is

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MZero11 posted...

Wait I didn't actually claim yet huh lmao

Well still scum may have guessed what my role is

prosty clearly ;) ;) =P

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hm.

Han
Scare
Puns
5tar
Lolo

I will say 4/5 of that, being quite liberal with my deductions.

Maybe we should keep riding the Chris heat check and lynch scare next

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Lolo_Guru posted...

prosty clearly ;) ;) =P

Dang you got me

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Lolo_Guru posted...

Hm...

*scans topic around Ulti/Sbell's claim.

So Tange is perfectly up to date with what's going on with their claimings but the moment it happens, AFKs and doesn't post anything?

Is Tange a weird timezone? Or what?

nahh I just had a super long day.

work sent me an hour and a half (one way) to cover a story, which I then had to come back and put together

then after that, I checked in and saw Ultis claim

then I went to a show tonight and just got home

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5tar spent a lot of day 2 trying to deduce who was lying between me and corrik because "3 tracker claims", but mostly ignored puns

Also said he was hesitant to lynch power claims because the resolve themselves in regards to puns, but had no issues voting me

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DoubleTangicide posted... nahh I just had a super long day.

work sent me an hour and a half (one way) to cover a story, which I then had to come back and put together

then after that, I checked in and saw Ultis claim

then I went to a show tonight and just got home

So I come in after work, say "what's going on", you reply "SBell and Ulti are sametiming at :20, making it obvious you're paying and were paying attention", and you then don't react to the set/trio of claims at all?


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5tarscream posted...

Im not saying hes not scum but Im saying I prefer to let a tracker claim pass D2 and resolve itself tomorrow. Like I just dont see the rush in killing a potential town power. They either confirm/doom themselves, unless its absolute 100% nailed on scum bullshit claim which this isnt. Quite. Again Im not saying puns is clean Im saying Im willing to wait until tomorrow to smash him.

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frankly there are still off-the-wall scenarios where you could be scum mzero

you want to hear & refute the crazy?

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It was literally like 10 posts before yours they said what they were doing

wasnt hard to figure it out

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DoubleTangicide posted...

It was literally like 10 posts before yours they said what they were doing

So this was when you "checked in"?


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Actually, yes

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Lolo_Guru posted...

frankly there are still off-the-wall scenarios where you could be scum mzero

you want to hear & refute the crazy?

I mean, really all you know is I have a night action and ruthlessly bussed the scum backup blocker for two straight days. If you think I'm ballsy enough to do that then sure I could be scum

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I was getting off work just before 6:30 eastern

checked in at the right time

then took a call from my friend I was meeting for the show and didnt come back

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MZero11 posted...

I mean, really all you know is I have a night action and ruthlessly bussed the scum backup blocker for two straight days. If you think I'm ballsy enough to do that then sure I could be scum

Ok, sure. But I'm going to throw my crazy thoughts out there anyway.

I did say I though a lot about han over that long slow night, and well, one of the "more crazy" scenarios was you being an assassin red RB'd night 1 (lying about who you were trying to target in this case and claiming a night action to make sure you got your shot off night 2). You claimed targeting Han when the roleblock came up to out whoever blocked you and make sure you weren't blocked again)

And then Day 3 rolled around, and you had Han pretty much sacrifice himself for ya. =P

but yeah. It's pretty crazy to think. =P

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Well, now that you are back, Tange, any quick thoughts? Or slow ones? Or... crazy ones?

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Lolo_Guru posted...

And then Day 3 rolled around, and you had Han pretty much sacrifice himself for ya. =P

but yeah. It's pretty crazy to think. =P

The thing is, Han came out trying to claim Town Roleblocker. If Mzero is scum they know a town RB exists at that point.

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Lolo_Guru posted...

Well, now that you are back, Tange, any quick thoughts? Or slow ones? Or... crazy ones?

ultis role is so off the wall crazy to me, theres no way hes faking it

Ive seen Ulti fake a lot of roles, but this one seems legit because of how hilariously OP it is

with what hes said since, I see no reason not to lynch star today.

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red13n posted...

The thing is, Han came out trying to claim Town Roleblocker. If Mzero is scum they know a town RB exists at that point.

That's why I called it a sacrifice play.

Because Han's actions as claimed made more sense to me in "Making Mzero look better" way because otherwise I don't really understand why Han played it the way he did?

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I think that's it for me tonight. For the record, I don't believe Mzero is scum. My state of the game stands.

Anything else? Or should I vote for 5tar and end it?

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Lolo_Guru posted...

Ok, sure. But I'm going to throw my crazy thoughts out there anyway.

I did say I though a lot about han over that long slow night, and well, one of the "more crazy" scenarios was you being an assassin red RB'd night 1 (lying about who you were trying to target in this case and claiming a night action to make sure you got your shot off night 2). You claimed targeting Han when the roleblock came up to out whoever blocked you and make sure you weren't blocked again)

And then Day 3 rolled around, and you had Han pretty much sacrifice himself for ya. =P

but yeah. It's pretty crazy to think. =P

Why would scum sacrifice a blocker for a spent assassin (essentially vanilla at that point)

I mean, it's not impossible but honestly I'm probably dead soon anyway!

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@red13n Where are you getting this uncomfortable with being scum while being scum from. Thats the second time youve said it and I told you why its nonsense the first time. I was uncomfortable with having a terrible D2. Ive never rolled scum so how on earth would I know if Im uncomfortable with it or not. Like literally never. If you have an archive you can go and check, literally never rolled scum. I dont understand where youve got this idea that Im uncomfortable.

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MZeros post lacks context and I still stand by the sentiment anyway. I dont like the idea of lynching claimed power until its disproven. The reason I was on you was because the wording of jightbactions confused me and I couldnt understand why we had so many people claiming what seemed to me to be the same role. Of those 3 claims yours seemed the flimsiest because you just parroted Corriks claim and wording. I was told that Id misunderstood and backed off my push because it was based on misunderstanding. Thats the part you should actually pay attention to.

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MZero11 posted...

I'm probably dead soon anyway!

This seems to be what all claimed scum powers say. Again Im not saying youre scum its just one of those things that scum always say usually followed next day by I dunno what scum are doing. Theyre making me look scummy by not killing me. Watch this space.

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Oh and to reply to the claims that Ive done nothing, Ive been trying to defend myself from a mislynch while doing my best to ask questions and share information.

Things Ive done today;
Question Ultis claim and alignment without just asking him to ask Chris things.
Helped others see what they were missing after my reads were clearer on Ulti.
Answered Lolos questions.
Provided who I believe to be the remaining scum.
Claimed.
Offered advise to SBell regarding using his power later.
Attempted to provide context to MZeros post regarding me not wanting to lynch claimed power.
Pointed out that Scare focusing Sultan when hes never looked more down should be a red flag.

Things youve done;
Asked Ulti 3 variations on the same question.
Repeated that nonsense about looking uncomfortable while looking uncomfortable.


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I was blocked both night 1 and night 2

Red claimed responsibility for night 1 and Han took credit for night 2

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Tag.

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