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Garioshi
02/29/20 1:30:31 PM
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You can't just throw it at whatever you don't like.

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TomNook20
02/29/20 1:37:23 PM
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RebelElite791
02/29/20 1:44:13 PM
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Global South is a more anthropologically accepted term for what this refers to nowadays

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Unknown5uspect
02/29/20 1:44:59 PM
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TomNook20 posted...
This is such a third world topic.

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Lost_All_Senses
02/29/20 1:49:42 PM
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This is literally a 3rd world topic

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Garioshi
03/02/20 12:49:00 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
It had an actual definition that doesnt matter post Cold War and has become a colloquial phrase with a new understood meaning.
The definiton doesn't change lmao

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Paragon21XX
03/02/20 12:52:06 PM
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The meaning of words change. The Cold War is over, so "third-world" is now synonymous with "undeveloped."

TomNook20 posted...
This is such a third world topic.

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hockeybub89
03/02/20 12:55:30 PM
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R1masher
03/02/20 12:58:12 PM
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Dictionaries dont define words, use does

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furb
03/02/20 12:59:53 PM
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It is antequated though.

International studies in economics and political science prefer the following

Most developed
Developing
Least developed

The worlds terminology is based on the Cold War alignments and are not really relevant now.

Well less relevant, unless the conversation is about or related to the Cold War. In the terms of economic status, one should use the developed,ing,ed terminology.

And to be honest, some circles just use developed and developing.

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Kisai
03/02/20 1:00:09 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
It had an actual definition that doesnt matter post Cold War and has become a colloquial phrase with a new understood meaning.
"If we just keep using things wrong, eventually it will be right! :)"

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Questionmarktarius
03/02/20 1:00:27 PM
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Does "second world" even exist anymore?
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hockeybub89
03/02/20 1:01:09 PM
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Kisai posted...
"If we just keep using things wrong, eventually it will be right! :)"
I bet you get upset when people say "ain't"

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Garioshi
03/02/20 1:02:42 PM
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furb posted...
The worlds terminology is based on the Cold War alignments
It isn't based on Cold War alignments, it IS Cold War alignments. They never referred to how developed a country was.

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NotYou
03/02/20 1:02:51 PM
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Reminder that definitions are classist.
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malenz
03/02/20 1:03:37 PM
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you need to calm down on your third world propaganda
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ASithLord7
03/03/20 12:56:48 PM
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Kisai posted...
"If we just keep using things wrong, eventually it will be right! :)"
This is precisely how language works, yes.

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averagejoel
03/03/20 12:59:27 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
You guys understand that natural changes in definitions happen all the time, right?
first of all, changes in definitions are not any more "natural" than the word being created in the first place, or its initial definition.

second: using "first-world", "second-world", "third-world" to refer to a country's state of economic development is imprecise and antiquated

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ASithLord7
03/03/20 1:02:50 PM
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averagejoel posted...
first of all, changes in definitions are not any more "natural" than the word being created in the first place, or its initial definition.

Correct, theyre just as natural. The fact that language changes and evolves based on usage is an essential element of it.

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Tupacrulez
03/03/20 1:18:48 PM
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I just prefer "shithole" and "not shithole"

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viewmaster_pi
03/03/20 1:29:13 PM
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Kisai posted...
"If we just keep using things wrong, eventually it will be right! :)"
it worked for literally

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ASithLord7
03/03/20 1:30:28 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
it worked for literally
Literally has been used in a nonliteral sense for centuries

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viewmaster_pi
03/03/20 1:31:44 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
Literally has been used in a nonliteral sense for centuries

viewmaster_pi posted...
it worked for literally


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averagejoel
03/03/20 1:35:30 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
This might be the least insightful sentence ever written
cool. try addressing the content of my post now.

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Balrog0
03/03/20 1:45:48 PM
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Kisai posted...
"If we just keep using things wrong, eventually it will be right! :)"
that's literally how language works (look up the word literally)

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MarqueeSeries
03/03/20 1:48:11 PM
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When STEM majors weigh in on language
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DevsBro
03/03/20 1:50:11 PM
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What about the Third World Man Steely Dan wrote the song about.

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ASithLord7
03/03/20 1:55:49 PM
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MarqueeSeries posted...
When STEM majors weigh in on language
Pretty much. Or music majors in joels case. But he has a history of trying to speak authoritatively about language and being horrendously wrong

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Balrog0
03/03/20 1:58:26 PM
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look I majored in liberal arts so you can trust me on bullshit

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Paragon21XX
03/03/20 2:03:17 PM
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MarqueeSeries posted...
When STEM majors weigh in on language

Writing is a very important part of various STEM fields as using unambiguous language is a necessity to communicate different ideas to another person or party properly. Knowing even the colloquial usage of a particular term is just as important as the formal definition in preventing any confusion on the part of another person.
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furb
03/03/20 4:04:06 PM
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I have a masters in american gov and public policy. BA in political science. Liberal arts for days in my background.

Go on and use the worlds terms in normal convos, but in big kids circles or to be taken serious, avoid the them.


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Garioshi
03/03/20 4:06:01 PM
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averagejoel posted...
first of all, changes in definitions are not any more "natural" than the word being created in the first place, or its initial definition.

second: using "first-world", "second-world", "third-world" to refer to a country's state of economic development is imprecise and antiquated
Correct, which is why they shouldn't be used to refer to economic development.

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Balrog0
03/03/20 4:07:42 PM
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furb posted...
I have a masters in american gov and public policy. BA in political science. Liberal arts for days in my background.

Go on and use the worlds terms in normal convos, but in big kids circles or to be taken serious, avoid the them.

who are the big kids circles? I have a masters in public admin and work in politics and can't imagine any one giving a shit about this. But I work in domestic policy in the south so maybe it is actually a big deal to people doing foreign policy. I doubt it but its possible

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furb
03/03/20 4:18:57 PM
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I think you will rarely find an article in the APSR or Journal of International Development using the terms to refer to levels of development. I an talking published academic articles or products of major think tanks and policy groups.

Or the basic OECD measures, which do not use the worlds terminology shcema. Might want to look into their terms.


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furb
03/03/20 4:21:54 PM
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Just refer to the first graphic and its source.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country

Or HDI

It is a development index not a worlds index.

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Tyranthraxus
03/03/20 4:24:15 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Does "second world" even exist anymore?
"Second World" was the USSR, China, pre-war Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, etc.

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Balrog0
03/03/20 4:26:06 PM
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furb posted...
I think you will rarely find an article in the APSR or Journal of International Development using the terms to refer to levels of development. I an talking published academic articles or products of major think tanks and policy groups.

who do you know other than yourself who cares about this?

furb posted...
Just refer to the first graphic and its source.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country

Or HDI

It is a development index not a worlds index.

yep no one is disputing that

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furb
03/03/20 4:26:10 PM
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There is a historical relationship between worlds status and current levels of development, but it is not the most accurate language available to describe the complex nature of development and its varience across countries.

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Shablagoo
03/03/20 4:32:09 PM
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The world no longer consists of nations and ideologies. It is a college of corporations.

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