Current Events > Alan Moore says superhero genre remains a white supremacist dream of master race

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Shablagoo posted...

So do you not consider Batman a superhero?

batman's a psychopath, lol

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MrMallard posted...

But much like America itself, the comic book industry is built on the back of immigrants - and the roots of many popular comic book superheroes stem from the lives and experience of their Jewish creators.

Sure, but keep in mind that America was founded by white supremacists, and subsequently governed by white supremacists, and the ruling class never disavowed white supremacists even when they started a civil war. I don't think Moore is trying to argue that individual creators are explicitly white supremacists, much like the immigrants and slaves who built America weren't necessarily white supremacists.

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viewmaster_pi posted...

so watchmen and dr manhattan's blue raspberry dick is meant to be for kids?? the fuck is this hypocrite even on about

You one of those that cant see the difference between nudity and sex?

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

People on CE lost their shit when previously white comic book characters are cast as POC so there might be some substance to this argument

No one complained about Black Panther or other 'normally non-white heroes.' People have issues with what they understand being changed because it is 'progressive' to do so. Create new characters, or utilize some not-well-known characters instead who are already of a certain race, etc.

That said, the X Men were created as a method of standing up to discrimination in its inception.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Does anyone really believe Moore has never heard of The Epic of Gilgamesh, the 12 Labors of Heracles, or the miracles of Jesus Christ?

These super heroes lend insight into the human condition from even ancient peoples, their search for an answer to suffering and mortality, and the need for stories and role models that inspire regular people to act bravely and achieve the impossible.

we don't really need to go back to the stone age, no.

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MaverickXeo posted...

No one complained about Black Panther or other 'normally non-white heroes.' People have issues with what they understand being changed because it is 'progressive' to do so. Create new characters, or utilize some not-well-known characters instead who are already of a certain race, etc.

That said, the X Men were created as a method of standing up to discrimination in its inception.

Im fine with really obscure characters being changed. Sometimes they need some change to take off.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

Reminder: Alan Moore made a white man God.

And (Watchmen TV Show spoilers) Lindelof made him black.

Moore has been a kook for years.


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Does he not know that most comic book characters are non-human, and therefore his entire premise falls flat on its face?

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MaverickXeo posted...

No one complained about Black Panther or other 'normally non-white heroes.'

that isn't true

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MaverickXeo posted...

No one complained about Black Panther or other 'normally non-white heroes.'

And thats it right there. Theres been plenty of non white characters in comics for decades that people have loved and enjoyed. Its not like comics are some kind of white supremacy propaganda like people with too much time on their hands on the internet would like you to believe.


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darkjedilink posted...

Does he not know that most comic book characters are non-human, and therefore his entire premise falls flat on its face?

How so?

thanosibe posted...

And thats it right there. Theres been plenty of non white characters in comics for decades that people have loved and enjoyed. Its not like comics are some kind of white supremacy propaganda like people with too much time on their hands on the internet would like you to believe.

this doesn't even contradict the little bit in the topic title, let alone the full context of what he's saying

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Alan Moore is a nut

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Ruvan22 posted...

How so?

How can most characters be white, when most characters aren't even human?

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Alan Moore is a very rare genius. Hard to find someone more brilliant.

darkjedilink posted...

How can most characters be white, when most characters aren't even human?

The quote is "white supremacist dream" - was he specifying the characters were white?

viewmaster_pi posted...

batman's a psychopath, lol

lol thats on point. Hes a rich stud who breaks the law to beat up poor people he doesnt like and gets away with it due to his wealth and connections with the police. Sounds like the type of guy Moore would critique.
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when moore says it's a dream, maybe he means nightmare, or maybe he made a freudian slip.

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WesternMedia posted...

lol thats on point. Hes a rich stud who breaks the law to beat up poor people he doesnt like and gets away with it due to his wealth and connections with the police. Sounds like the type of guy Moore would critique.

Always cracks me up when people bitch that DC heroes are too perfect of people where as marvel is "better" because the characters have flaws. Batman is one of the most broke in the head mainstream characters where even in some works robin has called him out on it. "Wont kill but traumatic head injury is fine"

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Remember when Marvel turned the Punisher black?

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Skye Reynolds posted...

Seeing as there is no set definition of what makes a superhero, the argument could be made. DC's Wonder Woman and Marvel's Hercules are just mythical figures placed in comics alongside people with capes and masks. But in the sense of masked heroes with secret identities and mild mannered aliases, that began with Zorro/Scarlet Pimpernel.

I think both of you have good points. The modern comic superhero comes from a lot of places. One part is the caped hero from earlier modern culture (and yeah, although there might be some of it in Birth of a Nation or whatever that's not the origin of it, that's just dumb).

But a good chunk of the modern superhero comes from myths and legends. And wouldn't you know it just so happens that western culture ("white" culture, if you must) is dominant as we all know, we don't need to get into that, so it might seem like superheros and comics and what have you are racist. I think like many things we just need to let other cultures be appreciated (in a natural way please, I think trying to forcefully diversify western culture is first of all stupid but more importantly probably actually counterproductive) and we'll see that there's nothing inherently "racist" about superheros.

So yeah this from Alan Moore just reeks of meta-racism.

Foppe posted...

Remember when Marvel turned the Punisher black?

mooreandrew58 posted...

Im fine with really obscure characters being changed. Sometimes they need some change to take off.

Yeah sometimes it's fine I guess. It depends on the character.

Th3HonestTruth posted...

QFT

Quite fucking true? Is that what that means?

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Omnislasher posted...

Alan Moore is a very rare genius. Hard to find someone more brilliant.

Amen to that.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

People on CE lost their shit when previously white comic book characters are cast as POC so there might be some substance to this argument

As an Asian, I'd rather create a new Asian super hero or use an actual Asian super hero than turn a previously non-Asian super hero into an Asian unless it's an elseworlds or What If? type of story.
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