Current Events > "The best known socialist happens to be a millionaire with 3 houses!"

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iPhone_7 posted...

Bernie is a fraud

This

He doesn't at all practice what he preaches, being a millionaire 1%er.

He's benefited from capitalism, you know that thing he claims he hates and shit?

Hairistotle posted...

The fact that he's posting like a troll is not what's in contention here. You're unabashedly making things up.

Just fucking drop it.

Webmaster4531 posted...

it makes complete sense that people would think Broseph is a Trump supporter.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

lol my very first post about andel itt

I can predict this dudes trolling word for word.

I'm pretty sure he's a right-winger posing as a bernie supporter to make them look bad

literally yelling 'no u' when cornered. yikes

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You say this as if large companies like Wal-Mart and Amazon don't already work their employees to death (often literally).

Amazon is the second largest private employer in the US, it's incredibly dishonest to cherry pick examples from their workforce of half a million people.

Companies should not be blindly trusted to provide a safe workplace, and workers should be able to use collective bargaining to get better working conditions. But there's honestly no indication that Amazon exploits their workers. They pay higher wages, higher benefits and have used automation to eliminate the most physically demanding task in their warehouses. You can cherry pick stories or you can trust workers to make the best decision for themselves.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Amazon is the second largest private employer in the US, it's incredibly dishonest to cherry pick examples from their workforce of half a million people.

Cherry pick? These are literally the first results you see when you type "amazon worker" in Google lmao

But I see you have no intention of arguing in good faith.

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Hairistotle posted...

what about all the employees indicating such

show me a company with half a million workers and not a single disaffected one

Broseph_Stalin posted...

show me a company with half a million workers and not a single disaffected one

If multiple workers are complaining about 60 hour work weeks, being forced to come to work during dangerous weather and frequent ambulance visits, that suggests severe issues with the way the company is run, not some isolated incident.

I mean, I certainly don't see several stories about employees at my company dying or getting injured on the first page of Google results.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

If multiple workers are complaining about 60 hour work weeks, being forced to come to work during dangerous weather and frequent ambulance visits, that suggests severe issues with the way the company is run, not some isolated incident.

I mean, I certainly don't see several stories about employees at my company dying or getting injured on the first page of Google results.

"Multiple" (meaning few) in a work force of half a million is the definition of isolated incident, cherry picking or dishonest reporting. And of course no ones writing an article about the guy who likes his job at Amazon dude.

The problem with saying Amazon is running labor camps is that no one willingly joins a labor camp.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

The only difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is scale

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

holy shit lmfao

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MrToothHasYou posted...

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

holy shit lmfao

Now explain to the class why someone who sells a few books is different from a person who sells millions of books, aside from scale.

I will never understand why people speak so confidently about economic issues without the slightest understanding of them.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Multiple" (meaning few) in a work force of half a million is the definition of isolated incident, cherry picking or dishonest reporting. And of course no ones writing an article about the guy who likes his job at Amazon dude.

60 hour work weeks and workplace injuries doubling industry standards suggest a lot more than "isolated incidents".

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Now explain to the class why someone who sells a few books is different from a person who sells millions of books, aside from scale.

The richest author in the world, J.K. Rowling, is worth exactly $1 billion and made most of that money through movie deals and licensing.

Nobody is becoming a billionaire off of books alone.

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Amazon has 40 hour work weeks that might increase to 60 hours during the holiday shopping season, in which case workers are paid overtime. It's like any other retail job, just better pay, benefits and less duties.

And yes you can earn a billion dollars doing anything as long as enough people want your product.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Now explain to the class why someone who sells a few books is different from a person who sells millions of books, aside from scale.

I don't have to explain shit to the likes of you, tbf. People who understand the exploitation built into the capitalist system already understand that the scale is the whole point. The scale of exploitation, the scale of greed, the scale of labor-power theft, in order to acquire a billion dollars (let alone tens or hundreds of billions) isn't in the same order of magnitude. Which isn't at all to say that millionaires aren't bad. But it's, theoretically, possible to earn a million dollars doing salaried labor. It's not at all possible to earn a billion dollars doing so.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

I will never understand why people speak so confidently about economic issues without the slightest understanding of them.

Maybe quit talking to the mirror then?

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MrToothHasYou posted...

I don't have to explain shit to the likes of you

*Can't

Hairistotle posted...

he made a pretty cogent point after that sentence; do you have a response?

His brain was broken when I got him with the mirror joke. Even his jab doesn't work out - I can't have to explain? lmao

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Hairistotle posted...

he made a pretty cogent point after that sentence; do you have a response?

He literally didn't address mine.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Amazon has 40 hour work weeks that might increase to 60 hours during the holiday shopping season, in which case workers are paid overtime. It's like any other retail job, just better pay, benefits and less duties.

I'd advise you read this article again:

https://nypost.com/2019/11/30/amazon-warehouses-are-cult-like-sweatshops-run-by-robots-ex-employee/

Broseph_Stalin posted...

And yes you can earn a billion dollars doing anything as long as enough people want your product.

Except I just demonstrated to you that the difference between a millionaire author and a billionaire author is that the billionaire author isn't making money just selling books.

Is this going to be a thing where you argue against hard facts and evidence with hypotheticals and unsubstantiated theories?

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Hairistotle posted...

He addressed your 'scale' comment as far as I can tell

No, he didn't. No one can actually say why selling more of a product suddenly makes you exploitative.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

No, he didn't. No one can actually say why selling more of a product suddenly makes you exploitative.

There's a difference between creating something and selling it, and having someone else create something, selling it, and keeping the surplus value of the labor for yourself. That's like, very very basic economic theory, I don't know how to explain it to someone who is willfully ignorant of it.

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Holy fucking shit, shut the fuck up Broseph. You have absolutely no idea what youre talking about if you think the main difference between millionaires and billionaires is scale.

Just stop posting, youre wasting bandwidth.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

There's a difference between creating something and selling it, and having someone else create something, selling it, and keeping the surplus value of the labor for yourself.

Ah I see. So when Bernie writes that book he takes all the profits even though others have to manufacture, ship, advertise and sell the actual book. But it's ok because the book didn't sell well enough to make him a billion dollars. Socialism is the absence of economic literacy.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Holy fucking shit, shut the fuck up Broseph. You have absolutely no idea what youre talking about if you think the main difference between millionaires and billionaires is scale.

Just stop posting, youre wasting bandwidth.

Stop getting mad because you can't refute anything. You're wasting air.

Amazon operated at a loss until they killed competition and gained near total market share.

How the hell is that comparable to Bernie Sanders writing a book? Does he have 100% book market share?
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Amazon operated at a loss until they killed competition and gained near total market share.

Amazon operated at a loss because Bezos decided to spend massive amounts of money early on expanding its distribution network and inventory, taking tons of criticism from investors who wanted him to stick to books.

Try again, earthquake.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Ah I see. So when Bernie writes that book he takes all the profits

Does he now? Or, is he perhaps paid for his labor (writing the book) by a publisher (Thomas Dunne Books, a subsidiary of St Martin's Press, itself owned by MacMillan Publishers), who then manufactures, ships, and advertises the book using wage labor and collects the profits of said book? Hmmmm...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

You're wasting air.

Again, you're talking to the mirror.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

No, he didn't. No one can actually say why selling more of a product suddenly makes you exploitative.

Holy fucking shit.

Even if it was as simple as just "selling more" (it's not), you have to make more (if you're the manufacturer) or buy more (if you're the distributor) in order to sell more. Either way, someone, somewhere has to increase production in order to meet the demand.

The only time this isn't true is with digital content, but nobody is becoming a billionaire off of a single piece of digital content, especially considering most digital content platforms take their own cut of the profits.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

Does he now? Or, is he perhaps paid for his labor (writing the book) by a publisher (Thomas Dunne Books, a subsidiary of St Martin's Press, itself owned by MacMillan Publishers), who then manufactures, ships, and advertises the book using wage labor and collects the profits of said book? Hmmmm...

Or, is he perhaps paid for his labor (creating and running a company) by that company (Amazon), who then manufactures, ships and advertises goods using wage labor and collects the profits of their retail business? Hmmmmm...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Stop getting mad because you can't refute anything. You're wasting air.

Says the one whos using Amazon as an example to how companies worth billions dont exploit labor.

Again, shut the fuck up.

The only waste of air is whatever air is in your lungs.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

running a company

LMFAO literally your argument breaks down right there.

He's the one running the company. And he's the one who pays himself. He's the owner.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

And he's the one who pays himself. He's the owner.

quoting this so you can't delete it

just embarrassing

Broseph_Stalin posted...

just embarrassing

Again... the mirror

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the annual cost of mantaining bloomberg's fish tanks could buy all of Bernie's property lol

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Oh and btw, Broseph, as for the whole "selling" more bullshit, there's not a single billionaire on the planet with just one source of income.

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averagejoel posted...

the annual cost of mantaining bloomberg's fish tanks could buy all of Bernie's property lol

Hey now that's just mean, Bernie does AT LEAST as well for himself as a somewhat successful orthodontist.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Oh and btw, Broseph, as for the whole "selling" more bullshit, there's not a single billionaire on the planet with just one source of income.

No no, you see, as long as they buy it and absorb it into the company that they are currently the largest shareholder of, then it still only counts as one revenue stream. That's how business works.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

Again... the mirror

Bezos does not own Amazon you clown

Holy shit why do i bother with people who are this confident in their opinion but put no effort into being informed?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Bezos does not own Amazon you clown

... He's the largest shareholder you absolute fucking twit.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

... He's the largest shareholder you absolute fucking twit.

you don't even know what ownership means this is hopeless

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Holy shit why do i bother with people who are this confident in their opinion but put no effort into being informed?

Also...

THE M I R R O R

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

this is hopeless

Nope that's your mirror, friend.

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lol haha I say mirror lol please no one notice I don't know what ownership means

Broseph_Stalin posted...

you don't even know what ownership means this is hopeless

So you argument rests on Jeff Bezos not being an owner of Amazon. That's what you're gonna go with.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

you don't even know what ownership means this is hopeless

Says the guy who doesn't understand that scaling a business requires increased labor.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

So you argument rests on Jeff Bezos not being an owner of Amazon. That's what you're gonna go with.

Your counter to my argument was that Bezos owns Amazon and pays his own salary, neither of which is true. Stop arguing about things you know nothing about. You're an economic illiterate who parrots populist talking points from grifters looking to get rich in politics. Socialism is the absence of economic understanding.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Says the guy who doesn't understand that scaling a business requires increased labor.

I never said larger firms don't hire more people. I just pointed out they pay their workers more.