Current Events > Electric chair execution last night in Tennesse.

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CyricZ posted...

Someone likes "Minority Report"

The difference between this and minority report is that minority report dealt with crimes yet to occur, and this guy had already murdered three people and been convicted before killing his fourth in prison. At some point it's just ridiculous.

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But he saved several correctional officers. If he had been killed, that prisoner would be alive and the officers would be dead. You'd kill him to save one prisoner at the expense of 3 officers?

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Jashin_Sama posted...

You'd kill him to save one prisoner at the expense of 3 officers?

No, I'd have him executed because he murdered his grandmother and dumped her in the river tied to a cement block.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

This dude murdered his own grandmother and tied her to a cement block in a river. He killed two other people (second degree, according to the article)

Then he went on to stab a dude 38 times in prison. Some people shouldn't be alive.

Well I guess we can throw out the appeals process and let wrongfully convicted people get executed because this murderer makes us sad.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Well I guess we can throw out the appeals process and let wrongfully convicted people get executed because this murderer makes us sad.

I never said to throw out the appeals process. All I'm saying is that some people absolutely deserve to die as a direct result of their heinous crimes.

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The death penalty is gross. The government shouldn't have the right to execute people. It has already been pointed out many times that that life in prison is cheaper than the death penalty. The idea that the appeals process should be cut down, and the wait time for executions lessened, ignores the reality of the American "justice" system. The idea that DNA evidence and ubiquitous surveillance somehow means that our justice system has gotten more efficient and fairer is naive.

Evidence and reason don't have to mean a thing in the face of crooked cops, prosecutors, and judges and a "tough on crime" stance that pushes an already burdened court system to process large volumes of people as quickly as possible. For God's sake, there have been people who spent years in jail whose trial hinged on bite marks on a fucking sandwich (and later turned out to be innocent, by the way). This probably doesn't happen in the majority of cases, but the people who get railroaded absolutely have the right to try to be heard, and they shouldn't have to die to satisfy pointless blood lust.

The man from the article doesn't seem to have been innocent, but even then, it isn't cut and dried. He killed people on the outside, but they he saved some inside the prison. He did kill another inmate, true. Would it matter what they were in prison for? Would you hold that murder against him if the person he killed was another murderer? What if the his victim in prison was a child molester? The guy's life wasn't necessarily black and white, and I don't think you can fairly say that the world is better off with him dead. I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I stand by it.

darkmaian23 posted...

The death penalty is gross.

Now there's a new argument against.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

All I'm saying is that some people absolutely deserve to die as a direct result of their heinous crimes.

Who are you to make that call?

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CyricZ posted...

Who are you to make that call?

what's the point of your question? we need a higher power to do it?

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Wewillrocku posted...

what's the point of your question? we need a higher power to do it?

Do you have a higher power available?

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CyricZ posted...

Do you have a higher power available?

no i don't have a higher power available

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Wewillrocku posted...

no i don't have a higher power available

Okay, do you feel you can make the call of who should live and who should die?

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Ex-Kefiroth posted...

When the death penalty is finally abolished, I hope we get around to imprisoning all former state executioners.

more people need to call out how shitty of a post this is.

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Axiom posted...

Doesn't matter how many times this is said it always gets ignored. I think they just like the idea of killing them

Its ignored because it is misleading. Yes, legal executions cost more and it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual cost of the act. An executioner could use a $2 rope to get the job done in a few seconds or use his hands and strangle the criminal for free.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

use his hands and strangle the criminal for free.

Would you do it?

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The other prisoner he killed had been threatening to kill him and it was down to either him killing or being killed because the prison staff at the time didn't care about his warnings.

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CyricZ posted...

Would you do it?

that's a much better question than the one you asked me. yes, i would.

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Wewillrocku posted...

that's a much better question than the one you asked me. yes, i would.

Honest.

But you just told me you'd kill a man if someone told you to. What does that say about you?

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CyricZ posted...

Honest.

But you just told me you'd kill a man if someone told you to. What does that say about you?

lol, but... what does your god think it says?

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Wewillrocku posted...

no i don't have a higher power available

The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a higher power.

Cocytus posted...

The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a higher power.

unfortunate that carl jung used god.

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Wewillrocku posted...

lol, but... what does your god think it says?

I don't have a god.

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CyricZ posted...

I don't have a god.

i see. then to answer your question, it says nothing about me. some criminals who commit acts of sex really deserve it, of course very, very many people don't.

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Cocytus posted...

The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a higher power.

First step is having a problem

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Fossil posted...

I wonder how much money the system wasted keeping him around that long.

It has been repeatedly demonstrated that they spent more to kill him then they ever would keeping him locked up forever

I swear to god you're going to respond with some "durrhurrr bullets are cheap" bullshit and I already hate you

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Seriously, "I'd kill him myself" is really impressing upon me how rational and grounded certain folks are with regards to this argument.

There's a diagnosis for folks like that.

Not that I truly believe anyone on this board would actually be able to kill someone in cold blood.

Internet Tough Guy is the actual diagnosis.

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CyricZ posted...

Internet Tough Guy is the actual diagnosis.

ow, you punched me. :D

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kingdrake2 posted...

everyone deserves a chance to appeal but it should be shortened.

It actually is shortened depending on how obviously guilty you are.

Turns out things like DNA, fingerprints, and confessions are actually kinda sketchy evidence.

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Cocytus posted...

It's probably more cruel to be condemned to prison over deaths.

Which is why I'm in favor of the death penalty. I prefer the less sadistic of the two alternatives.

CyricZ posted...

Not that I truly believe anyone on this board would actually be able to kill someone in cold blood.

Implying that the execution of a convicted four-time murderer would be "in cold blood" and not a proper application of justice.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Its ignored because it is misleading. Yes, legal executions cost more and it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual cost of the act. An executioner could use a $2 rope to get the job done in a few seconds or use his hands and strangle the criminal for free.

The specific job being cheap doesn't mean the road to get there will be. Sitting in a space shuttle when it takes off is easy, but it's extremely expensive to get everyone to that point.

Who is actually arguing that the act of firing a gun cost hundreds of thousands of dollars? What's misleading is arguing that X process is cheap because one specific part of it doesn't cost the entirety of the bill.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Implying that the execution of a convicted four-time murderer would be "in cold blood" and not a proper application of justice.

It would be even worse if executions didn't happen in cold blood. That would mean we're executing people in a burst of passion. Not exactly the greatest frame of mind to dole out consistent justice that's only to the people who really deserve it.

Humans are too fallible to pass out permanent judgment on others.

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Ex-Kefiroth posted...

When the death penalty is finally abolished, I hope we get around to imprisoning all former state executioners.

the fuck is wrong with you?

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Fucking bananas that Americans want to remove or shorten the appeals process on a system that is already killing innocent people.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Implying that the execution of a convicted four-time murderer would be "in cold blood" and not a proper application of justice.

You have a person helpless before you and kill them.

What's the difference.

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CyricZ posted...

What's the difference.

Justice. The written law. Duty, not want.

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CyricZ posted...

You have a person helpless before you and kill them.

What's the difference.

did we read the same topic? post 1 says he killed an inmate

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gunplagirl posted...

First step is having a problem

Right, the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Then like the second or third step involves a higher power.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Which is why I'm in favor of the death penalty. I prefer the less sadistic of the two alternatives.

It's a sound argument.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Justice.

It's okay to kill in cold blood because I can justify it.

The written law.

It's okay to kill in cold blood because the government wrote down a thing that gave me permission.

Duty, not want.

It's okay to kill in cold blood because the government said I HAD TO DO IT.

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Wewillrocku posted...

did we read the same topic? post 1 says he killed an inmate

Was he killed immediately after killing the inmate? Are you also reading the same topic?

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I feel the death penalty is just in the cause of heinous criminals that cant be rehabilited and will continuously pose a threat if left alive.

Hell a guy here recently just got 20 years for nearly stabbing a prison guard to death. Something tells me he tries to kill again. Hope im wrong but he stabbed the dude like 10 times he just happened to pick a tough mother fucker to take down (prison guard eventually got the better of him)

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CyricZ posted...

It's okay to kill in cold blood because I can justify it.

It's okay to kill in cold blood because the government wrote down a thing that gave me permission.

It's okay to kill in cold blood because the government said I HAD TO DO IT.

This is a really pointless and hypocritical argument. The argument here is why wouldnt it be ok? Who decides that? You? Since there is no god, the highest being really is a mix of the government and general societys sense of morality.
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GiftedACIII posted...

The argument here is why wouldnt it be ok? Who decides that? You?

You're getting reeeeal close to the point I'm trying to make here and have been trying to make since last night, but I'd rather people realize it than me spell it out.

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GiftedACIII posted...

This is a really pointless and hypocritical argument. The argument here is why wouldnt it be ok? Who decides that? You? Since there is no god, the highest being really is a mix of the government and general societys sense of morality.

Speaking of morality ive seen arguments life in prison is a worse punishment than death. Possibly so since some prisons cane near literal hell for the inmates. There is one in my state that inmates who had been there but transferred will beg to never be sent back.

Where as we are taught in basic the inmates allow us to come to work (considering they vastly out number us) not this unit. By all accounts ive heard the guards run that place and they only hire big tough guys. Like you could be little yet tough but nope they wont hire you. And I hear the guards will jack the inmates up over even the slightest infractions.

That's not even getting into prisons who do shit thats criminal itself. Like one around here that got nailed for making the prisoners fight each other and the guards placing bets. They basically had a fight Club

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mooreandrew58 posted...

Speaking of morality ive seen arguments life in prison is a worse punishment than death. Possibly so since some prisons cane near literal hell for the inmates.

Which is its own separate argument against privately run prisons.

Yes, drop your jaws now. I'm against the death penalty and I'm for humane treatment of prisoners and they are in fact separate issues.

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CyricZ posted...

You're getting reeeeal close to the point I'm trying to make here and have been trying to make since last night, but I'd rather people realize it than me spell it out.

I think youre trying to claim that anyone who kills an incapacitated person due to their own justifications are just as bad as each other which is a really black and white and disingenuous stance. Its the same kind of logic that people who dont tolerate racists and neo-nazis are just as bad as them. Obviously theres nuance with the target and the circumstances. Killing a maniacal serial killer and rapist whos a danger to everyone around them is nowhere near killing an innocent bystander.
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CyricZ posted...

Which is its own separate argument against privately run prisons.

Yes, drop your jaws now. I'm against the death penalty and I'm for humane treatment of prisoners and they are in fact separate issues.

Im all for death penalty but against for profit prisons if thata what you mean by privately run prisons. Where I work the jobs thr inmates have are for the prison system itself. Outside the normal cooking cleaning and maintenance they also make our and their own uniforms they make their own cleaning supplies and stuff like that. Minimum custody does some road work related stuff I think. They used to work at thr animal shelter but that got taken away cause a actual animal shelter worker was allowing them to have their girlfriends come in and letting them use her office to have sex in.

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GiftedACIII posted...

I think youre trying to claim that anyone who kills an incapacitated person due to their own justifications are just as bad as each other

The point I'm trying to make is that NO ONE should have the authority to declare someone else's life forfeit. Not a crazed man with a gun, not a message board user, not a judge, not a federal government.

We are not psychologically built for killing each other. We know deep down in our hearts that it is wrong. Everyone who has killed someone else could tell you that.

That's the reason we have such complicated methods for committing executions, ie. lethal injection. They're not implemented so the condemned doesn't feel as much pain. They're implemented to make us as a society feel better about state sponsored killing.

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