Current Events > Ping ponging between Warren and Pete for my vote

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I loved that energy Warren brought in the debate...but my fear is we still arent ready for a woman on the head of the ticket (that isnt a beautiful)

"we aren't ready" even though a far less liked woman won the popular vote last election.

what's with this stupid line of reasoning?

Hmmm, gross

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Godnorgosh posted...

Centrist Dems during prior elections: stop wasting your votes on leftists!

Centrist Dems in 2020: let's waste our votes on centrists!

This honestly. Its clear that Bernie is the front runner and we should all start rallying behind him

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Lengthening the primary process seems like it will be bad for the eventual nominee, and weaken their ability to defeat Trump.

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Fam_Fam posted...

"we aren't ready" even though a far less liked woman won the popular vote last election.

what's with this stupid line of reasoning?

The sexist attacks I see on Warren from people who supposedly support leftist policies and if even they fall to sexism can only image the general still

Warren stole her campaign from Sanders. Vote for Bernie instead.

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Squall28 posted...

Warren stole her campaign from Sanders. Vote for Bernie instead.

I dont believe Bernie can beat Trump with the rhetoric he chooses to use nor do I think he will get anywhere close to what he wants passed. I would still support and donate to him if he wins though.

And stole? What did she steal? If its ideas....wouldnt you them to be passed?

so many edits. Too much coffee this morning.

Fam_Fam posted...

"we aren't ready" even though a far less liked woman won the popular vote last election.

what's with this stupid line of reasoning?

A Women lost, therefore a woman can win

A wise man once asked "what's with this stupid line of reasoning?"
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CruelBuffalo posted...

I dont believe Bernie can beat Trump with the rhetoric he chooses to use nor do I think he will get anywhere close to what he wants passed. I would still support and donate to him if he wins though.

And stole? What did she steal? If its ideas....wouldnt you them to be passed?

so many edits. Too much coffee this morning.

The point is she is dishonest. You can't trust her to maintain those ideals once she is in office. A lot of Bernie's stuff won't get passed, and I don't agree with him on a lot of things. However, I know he'll be fighting for the people.

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I don't get how someone could be torn between probably the second most moderate candidate in the field and the second most liberal candidate in the field.

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Both are broke af right now and most likely dont have a path to the nomination.
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this is why i wait until there is only 2 left to pick from

too much work otherwise
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Both are broke af right now and most likely dont have a path to the nomination.

If only Pete had some dark money funding him

cruel man i was on your side four years ago but the only right choice now is bernie

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Godnorgosh posted...

Polls indicate Warren fares worse against Trump than Sanders. Otherwise you're just basing this on... what, exactly, other than conjecture? A vision, an extremely complicated logical deduction the rest of us are intellectually incapable of performing? Wishful thinking?

Bernie will fare worse once he gets the brunt of the attacks to be honest, and his supporters are not gonna do him any favors with the rhetoric they use.

K181 posted...

I don't get how someone could be torn between probably the second most moderate candidate in the field and the second most liberal candidate in the field.

I disagree with both on some of their stances but I believe they have the political smarts to get things done.

it's weird how some people think there's no way bernie can beat trump, when i think the opposite is fairly self-evident

bernie's the best suited candidate to beat trump... i've felt that ever since clinton lost in 2016. man, i thought back then. bernie was the answer all along... bernie would have smoked this guy.

it's weird to me, too, thinking bernie can't win, but elizabeth can. i'm pretty sure elizabeth's shot at the white house was ended with that dna test. i have so many friends who hate trump and refuse to vote for warren because of the native american thing. it's just not going to happen.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

it's weird how some people think there's no way bernie can beat trump, when i think the opposite is fairly self-evident

bernie's the best suited candidate to beat trump... i've felt that ever since clinton lost in 2016. man, i thought back then. bernie was the answer all along... bernie would have smoked this guy.

it's weird to me, too, thinking bernie can't win, but elizabeth can. i'm pretty sure elizabeth's shot at the white house was ended with that dna test. i have so many friends who hate trump and refuse to vote for warren because of the native american thing. it's just not going to happen.

Warren was bouncing back until she showed her true colors and went back on numerous things she's said as well as trying to paint Bernie as a sexist

Hiring former Kamala and Hillary staffers didn't do her any favors either

If it were me, I'd probably go for Pete because he has a much better, though still not great, chance

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Mecha Sonic posted...

it's weird how some people think there's no way bernie can beat trump, when i think the opposite is fairly self-evident

bernie's the best suited candidate to beat trump... i've felt that ever since clinton lost in 2016. man, i thought back then. bernie was the answer all along... bernie would have smoked this guy.

it's weird to me, too, thinking bernie can't win, but elizabeth can. i'm pretty sure elizabeth's shot at the white house was ended with that dna test. i have so many friends who hate trump and refuse to vote for warren because of the native american thing. it's just not going to happen.

i didnt say Bernie cannot win, I feel he has less of a shot because he really hasnt gotten the brunt of an attack from the right.

Honestly thinking either Warren or Buttigieg will have a better chance against Trump than Bernie is just plain wrong. Polls show otherwise, neither of them have a base as excited and dedicated as Bernie, they're both struggling with money right now, mediocre to awful support from minorities etc. And you cant really bet on people voting for them because they're not Trump anymore.
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K181 posted...

I don't get how someone could be torn between probably the second most moderate candidate in the field and the second most liberal candidate in the field.

Their bases overlap a decent bit because of all the low info pmc voter signaling.

Bernie has absorbed 2 elections worth of attacks from every major news outlet and has emerged with the largest, most diverse and engaged coalition.

Warren on the other hand can't even poll above viability without constant puff pieces and media love. Her campaign knows it and has cried about being erased. Imagine what'll happen when she has to face an actual attack beyond stale pocahontas memes and snake emojis.

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Their bases overlap a decent bit because of all the low info pmc voter signaling.

*yawn*, says the guy who calls Pete Buttigieg a sociopath. Forgot how high brow and 7d Jenga your analysis is.

Many politicians are, he's just especially bad at hiding it. If you think Warren and Pete's bases overlap for policy reasons then you've got some homework. They appeal with tone and resume to casual observer pmcs. Go to the dem general topic and watch Covyx state this as a reason he's drawn to them and hates Bernie. It's the reason you have some gut feeling that they can get things done. He's a failed mayor in his 30s ffs.

I was defending Warren when you hated her last year, but now that the anyone-but-bernie options have shrunk, you've turned into a supporter. Shows the depth of your analysis. All of the electability data will be flipped upside down when Trump calls Bernie a socialist for the 1000th time. Wishful thinking.

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1. I never hated Warren, I hated her selective proposal of breaking up Amazon, yet not addressing Walmart/Target doing the same thing (selling products based off spending habits of its consumers)

2. You arent a doctor and the fact that you so casually throw around the word sociopath shows just your sophomoric understanding of the term.

3. Bernie, Warren, and Petes plans will never be fully implemented. I trust that Warren and Pete will be able to go left enough to get things accomplished.

4. Only Bernie supporters I have issues with are the ones who have to use toxic rhetoric (like yourself) and fail to even self reflect in the tiniest bit (whether you do that idk, but youre toxic af)

What are Warren and Petes similarities in your eyes

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You're so toxic. Why are you so angry and passionate about having healthcare and not seeing your family die from drug price gouging.

Can't you be civil with me as I explain to you that I have a vague gut feeling that we shouldn't push for first world heathcare? I treat politics the same as casually rooting for a sports team. I'm a spectator of a horse race, why are you taking this silly game so seriously?

This is pmc pushback 101 and why a candidate with Pete's rhetoric is stuck with wealthier white voters.

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"It came down to McLovin, either that or Muhammed"
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MrToothHasYou posted...

Hmmm, gross

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Hairistotle posted...

what's pmc? private military contractors?

pretty sure it's politico-media complex, aka the cooperative institution of the mainstream media and political establishment.

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Dude vote for whoever you want.

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I treat politics the same as casually rooting for a sports team. I'm a spectator of a horse race, why are you taking this silly game so seriously?

You are doing the exact thing you are pretending to preach against get off your soap box you hypocrite.

If I was rooting for a sports team I wouldnt be supporting Sanders if he won the nomination.

And how fucking dare you imply I just casually sit back. I work for a fucking non-profit that one of our goals is about increasing pediatric access to healthcare. I have previously worked as a teacher and continuously volunteer my time to children of low-income families.

you are so fucking toxic and warped that you continuously try to put me in nice little boxes because you find it too hard to think of people as complex.

whatever editing my post to be less toxic to practice what I preach. I just wont interact with you in politics. Have a lovely day.

Professional Managerial Class.

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warrens campaign is pretty much dead at this point unless a miracle happens and pete is going to have to struggle against the increasingly choking "I'm the candidate of compromise" position that's dividing itself in like four different directions right now. I don't think you'll have to worry about either of their campaigns after the primary at least

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CruelBuffalo posted...

I work for a fucking non-profit that one of our goals is about increasing pediatric access to healthcare.

This actually doesn't surprise me at all. In my experience there's a huge correlation between technocratic neoliberal leanings and working in the private non-profit sector. Buttigieg and Warren both exude powerful technocrat vibes.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

I treat politics the same as casually rooting for a sports team. I'm a spectator of a horse race, why are you taking this silly game so seriously?

You are doing the exact thing you are pretending to preach against get off your soap box you hypocrite.

If I was rooting for a sports team I wouldnt be supporting Sanders if he won the nomination.

And how fucking dare you imply I just casually sit back. I work for a fucking non-profit that one of our goals is about increasing pediatric access to healthcare. I have previously worked as a teacher and continuously volunteer my time to children of low-income families.

you are so fucking toxic and warped that you continuously try to put me in nice little boxes because you find it too hard to think of people as complex. I pity you.

And I'm a black elementary teacher at a poor black school in the south. Spare me. The fact that you make topics against medicare for all and questioning if you even want universal healthcare programs proves you care more about your position in that nonprofit than actually helping these kids. That explains a lot.

Teacher unions are supporting Bernie because, as educators, we see the struggles these kids go through. You support a candidate actively hostile to modern universal heathcare that would help these kids because you can't get over being dunked on by bernie bros in 2015. Pathetic.

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The fact that you make topics against medicare for all and questioning if you even want universal healthcare programs proves

I make topics against Medicare for all? I question if I want Medicare for all?

I have not done any such thing. I question the feasibility of getting it passed and the way to get to that goal, but I am not against a national Medicare system.

I was a teacher also in a low income district and I am also a person of color so

and I dont say this as brownie points or that Im a good person for doing so. I took offense to you saying I dont walk the walk when I do.

Now whether I am good at it or right about it is a different story.

It was titled something along the lines of "hmm I'm not sure if I even want a universal healthcare system." Again your position in the private non profit explains a lot.

I will dig for it if it's still not ringing a bell.

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