Current Events > Why isn't Bernie Sanders' proposed Medicare system the one already in place?

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I really can't see any reason why the 99% would be opposed to the 1% paying more for them.

You would think this proposal would have been approved a long time ago.

Yet, it feels like most of the 99% do NOT want the 1% to pay for them, which doesn't make sense to me unless I'm missing something.

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There are plenty of working class people who are against raising taxes on the rich.

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Iodine posted...

There are plenty of working class people who are against raising taxes on the rich.

I guess my question is why?

They hate the rich, yet don't want the rich to get taxed?

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A lot of people are well paid to convince working people that their interests are in fact aligned with their bosses'.
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A universal health care system in the US will most likely not be single payer. You can't realistically make private insurance illegal.
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Geiki Ganger posted...

Iodine posted...

There are plenty of working class people who are against raising taxes on the rich.

I guess my question is why?

They hate the rich, yet don't want the rich to get taxed?

Not all working class people hate the rich. Hell, a good amount of them think they are the rich lol
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Damn_Underscore posted...

A universal health care system in the US will most likely not be single payer. You can't realistically make private insurance illegal.

Sure you can.

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None of Bernie's proposals could be paid for by the 1%. That's why.

Be all estimates indicate it will cost triple the entirety of the USs current economy. Like.....WTF

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Capitalism preaches greed.

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Geiki Ganger posted...

I guess my question is why?

They hate the rich, yet don't want the rich to get taxed?

None of the people who hate the rich are against seeing them taxed.

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Spooking posted...

Because Bernie is a lying con artist. He says M4A will be cheaper than what we have now when right now there are 27 million people uninsured and we have illegal aliens without insurance. So M4A will cover everybody - including those 27 million and illegals - and it'll be cheaper than what we have now? It's not adding up. Your taxes are going to skyrocket and you're going to have to pay for illegal alien care, as well as people who don't take care of themselves and end up in the hospital monthly.

It could potentially be cheaper than what we have now overall (though not guaranteed), if it also involved removing all the expenditure that comes from our current private healthcare system.

But America's political climate won't let it happen anyway.

Spooking posted...

Because Bernie is a lying con artist. He says M4A will be cheaper than what we have now when right now there are 27 million people uninsured and we have illegal aliens without insurance. So M4A will cover everybody - including those 27 million and illegals - and it'll be cheaper than what we have now? It's not adding up. Your taxes are going to skyrocket and you're going to have to pay for illegal alien care, as well as people who don't take care of themselves and end up in the hospital monthly.

You already pay for those things with your insurance premiums and your absurdly high medical bills that you have despite having insurance. The difference between the current system and M4A is that now you are also paying for C suite level executives to get millions of dollar in bonuses.

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Spooking posted...

Because Bernie is a lying con artist. He says M4A will be cheaper than what we have now when right now there are 27 million people uninsured and we have illegal aliens without insurance. So M4A will cover everybody - including those 27 million and illegals - and it'll be cheaper than what we have now? It's not adding up. Your taxes are going to skyrocket and you're going to have to pay for illegal alien care, as well as people who don't take care of themselves and end up in the hospital monthly.

Everyone with medical insurance already pays for all that.


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Geiki Ganger posted...

I guess my question is why?

They hate the rich, yet don't want the rich to get taxed?

Because someday they may be the 1% too!

It's the American dream, to live in the naive hope you will somehow "make it" and will no longer need to live a horrible existence. But if only matters if others are living poorly as how else can you feel better about yourself?

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Just have prices be public and give everyone $1500 a year for medical costs. Then go from there

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The real issue is all these insurance and medical companies that have made all these prices sky rocket. Bernie is right in that it's pretty ridiculous we don't have M4A in this country in comparison to other major countries. As it currently stands yeah what he wants to do would cost a lot of money, but he is the only candidate out there that seems to want to actually change this country in a meaningful way. Whether he could actually accomplish that if he wins is one thing, but he's legit the only person that seems like actually cares about people.

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Because Democrats didn't want it when they passed ACA without a single Republican vote and Republicans don't want it if it's not their idea.

Lol jk, it's because the corporations that profit off the system get what they want because there is no cap on lobbying. They're grateful for every bickering that blames politicians though.

Damn_Underscore posted...

A universal health care system in the US will most likely not be single payer. You can't realistically make private insurance illegal.

Insurance still exists in countries with uhc to cover the gaps,of all the arguments against uhc this is one of the sillier ones.

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You want more taxes? Tax the business? Can you imagine the government lol running healthcare. Have you been to the dmv? Seriously shut up with this shit.

Most of the cost of the current system is due to administrative costs for dealing with the hundreds of different private insurances.

Undocumented immigrants only account for 1.4% of medical expenditure in the US even though they make up 5% of the population.

Taxation is theft. Keep the government out of everything.

Spooking posted...

We need to start punishing people for driving up the cost of healthcare that have them visiting the ER/hospital more times than the people who don't have bad habits

Cool you just created a poor tax and now you're a bad person

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I Like Toast posted...

Cool you just created a poor tax and now you're a bad person

He was already a bad person.

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Spooking posted...

People said when passing Obamacare your premium wouldn't go up. They were WRONG. They went up 20%-30%+. If M4A gets passed (it never will), your taxes will go up drastically if you make $29,000+ yr.

We need a better system, I agree! I have one laid out already:

* Illegal aliens that go to the ER or hospital visit? Take them down to jail to get the care they need by the jail nurse and then deport them. Asset forfeitures any possessions they have on them and any property they own. Collect all of it to offset the cost of their care.

For Americans: Pools!

* Smoke? Higher premium
* Risk taker? Higher premium
* Obese? Higher Premium
* Morbidly obese? Even higher premium!
* Safe driving record? Lower premium
* Exercise daily? Lower premium
* Eat healthy? Lower premium

We need to start punishing people for driving up the cost of healthcare that have them visiting the ER/hospital more times than the people who don't have bad habits.

lmao. You really are dedicated.


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Because the Senate isn't a democratic institution. Republicans have more sway despite representing less people.

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I Like Toast posted...

Insurance still exists in countries with uhc to cover the gaps,of all the arguments against uhc this is one of the sillier ones.

That is not an argument against universal health care. Most countries that have universal health care, including most countries in Europe don't have single payer health care, which is Bernie's plan. There's no reason to expect that the US would go from no universal health care to single payer health care.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_LvRPX0rGY

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Ooooooranges posted...

Because the Senate isn't a democratic institution. Republicans have more sway despite representing less people.

The United States is a republic, not a democracy. The Senate is there to represent the individual States at the Federal level, NOT the people of the States. Or at least it was originally, the "Progressives" of the 1910s screwed that up along with a lot of other things.

You need a good civics course.

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