Current Events > "hey man slavery ended like, centuries ago let it go."

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"HOW DARE YOU TAKE DOWN OUR STATUE OF ROBERT E LEE. The south will rise again!!!!"

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i miss the old bluemonk.

playing TF2 bluemonk

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Again, sell the statues to "southern pride" moneybags.
The things are out of the public square, towns get some easy revenue, and rich old racists get to keep their damn concrete idolatry.

Its actually quite amazing how people (usually white republicans) like to play dumb as to how the Confederate flag/statues are offensive. I mean, the Confederacy was just dedicated to owning people as property and maintaining a race based class system that kept minorities at the bottom. Why would a minority find that offensive?

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darkprince45 posted...

i miss the old bluemonk.

playing TF2 bluemonk

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darkprince45 posted...

i miss the old bluemonk.

playing TF2 bluemonk

new bluemonk is a pretty cool guy, eh gave me a spicy chicken recipe and doesn't afraid of anything
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darkprince45 posted...

i miss the old bluemonk.

playing TF2 bluemonk

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CelestialVoices posted...

new bluemonk is a pretty cool guy, eh gave me a spicy chicken recipe and doesn't afraid of anything

add mozzarella cheese to it as a topping. life changing

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Zano posted...

Its actually quite amazing how people (usually white republicans) like to play dumb as to how the Confederate flag/statues are offensive. I mean, the Confederacy was just dedicated to owning people as property and maintaining a race based class system that kept minorities at the bottom. Why would a minority find that offensive?

"tHe CiViL WaR wAs AbOuT StAtEs RIGhts!!"
"the state's right to do what?"
"SHUT UP!"

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We wouldn't be dealing with this stupid shit if we had just let Sherman burn the whole confederacy to the ground and given the land to the freed slaves to rebuild however they wanted.

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Now that I think about it, why do minorities like to claim the suffering of their ancestors? It's like your ass ain't no slave. You sitting here eating bon bond like everyone else.

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Squall28 posted...

Now that I think about it, why do minorities like to claim the suffering of their ancestors? It's like your ass ain't no slave. You sitting here eating bon bond like everyone else.

Spoken like someone born from inherent systemic privilege, what a dumb ass post.
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Wonder what goes through peoples heads when all they think about are topics like this. Is this based off anything specific or do you just like thinking about slavery all day.

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I'm not the most progressive guy by any means, but I do think showing support and reverence for the Confederacy is treasonous behavior.

So, I'm entirely fine with reading down statues of Confederate leaders. Its attacking imagery of the American leaders and founders that I'd object to. Read down Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis, but leave Thomas Jefferson and George Washington up

Zano posted...

Its actually quite amazing how people (usually white republicans) like to play dumb as to how the Confederate flag/statues are offensive. I mean, the Confederacy was just dedicated to owning people as property and maintaining a race based class system that kept minorities at the bottom. Why would a minority find that offensive?

The leaders of the Confederacy explicitly said and wrote out everything they wanted to do, which was to secede in order to continue slavery of the 'inherently inferior' black race..

The entire 'heritage' argument is based on revisionist history.

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Conception616 posted...

Spoken like someone born from inherent systemic privilege, what a dumb ass post.

Nope. I was raised by an immigrant refugee family. I didn't learn English until I went to public school. We were poor. My parents couldn't help me with homework, networking, or anything because they didn't go to school in their country. Any other excuses?

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Squall28 posted...

Nope. I was raised by an immigrant refugee family. I didn't learn English until I went to public school. We were poor. My parents couldn't help me with homework, networking, or anything because they didn't go to school in their country. Any other excuses?

So Trump Kids would be in the same spot that they are not if they were not related to him ?

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cjsdowg posted...

So Trump Kids would be in the same spot that they are not if they were not related to him ?

never said or implied that

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Squall28 posted...

never said or implied that

So why do you think the generations of past racism aimed at black people would not have an effect on the here and now .

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Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

So yeah, both slavery and Robert E Lee should remain talk-able topics.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

Dedicated is probably the wrong word. Even Lee thought slavery should end. He just believed that it should end when God decided and the black people proved they could care for themselves. I guess he was expecting the clouds to part, a ray of sunshine to hit the fields, and a bunch of college educated slaves to walk up to the main house and say thanks for helping us become civilized. It sounds beyond stupid but it was a popular belief at the time. Lee really thought that if you freed all the slaves then theyd all starve to death homeless on the side of the road. So his really was an evil born of ignorance, not malice. But thats probably splitting hairs.

I dunno. Pretty sure preserving slavery was part of the stated purpose for their seperation from the union.

ClunkerSlim posted...

Dedicated is probably the wrong word. Even Lee thought slavery should end. He just believed that it should end when God decided and the black people proved they could care for themselves. I guess he was expecting the clouds to part, a ray of sunshine to hit the fields, and a bunch of college educated slaves to walk up to the main house and say thanks for helping us become civilized. It sounds beyond stupid but it was a popular belief at the time. Lee really thought that if you freed all the slaves then theyd all starve to death homeless on the side of the road. So his really was an evil born of ignorance, not malice. But thats probably splitting hairs

They were willing to commit treason and go to war to preserve their way of life. If thats not dedication, then I dont know what is.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

Even Lee thought slavery should end. He just believed that it should end when God decided and the black people proved they could care for themselves.

In some ways, benevolent racism is far worse than the regular malicious kind.

ClunkerSlim posted...

Thats not exactly the same thing as being dedicated to keeping slavery. Remember that the Confederacy was really just a loose connection of states wanting independence. There were probably a lot of varying opinions on the subject. I dont think the Confederacy was really united in the way people imagine. Im sure there were a lot of people who did want to keep slavery, but there were also a lot who knew it was on the way out, succession or not. Politicians being politicians, Id assume most higher ups in the Confederacy just saw an opportunity for political power and probably didnt care about slavery one way or another. They were just the Donald Trumps of their day.

Dude, most of the states statements of secession specifically mentioned slavery. A ton of them also specified their inferiority of the black race.

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They were so dedicated to keeping slavery that they literally codified it in the Confederate constitution that slavery could never in any way, shape, or form be restricted or abolished.

Dedicated is absolutely the right term to use.

ClunkerSlim posted...

Thats not exactly the same thing as being dedicated to keeping slavery. Remember that the Confederacy was really just a loose connection of states wanting independence. There were probably a lot of varying opinions on the subject. I dont think the Confederacy was really united in the way people imagine. Im sure there were a lot of people who did want to keep slavery, but there were also a lot who knew it was on the way out, succession or not. Politicians being politicians, Id assume most higher ups in the Confederacy just saw an opportunity for political power and probably didnt care about slavery one way or another. They were just the Donald Trumps of their day.

Actually it is the same thing as being dedicated. What further action would it take for you to be convinced? Getting matching slavery tattoos or something? Well they didnt get matching tats but they did all specifically mention slavery as their primary grievance with the union independently in the secession documents. The did all agree in the Confederate Constitution to never abolish slavery. They were all slave owning states. Actually, its kind of funny that you mention that the Confederate states werent really united. The one thing that united them was slavery lol

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"Show me where on the doll the old confederate statue hurt you"

I never really understood the tear down all the statues trend that was happening a few years ago.


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Dante121487 posted...

"Show me where on the doll the old confederate statue hurt you"

I never really understood the tear down all the statues trend that was happening a few years ago.

You do realize the majority of those statues were put up during jim crow to remind blacks of their place in southern society?

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ScazarMeltex posted...

You do realize the majority of those statues were put up during jim crow to remind blacks of their place in southern society?

He knows.

This is 2020, no need to assume someone is merely ignorant of this subject if they're old enough to post on Gamefaqs.

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Democrats are more concerned about bringing statues down than actually doing right by Black Americans. This issue is a waste of time and wedge issue. I'm cool with all the statues coming down though

Nazanir posted...

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

So yeah, both slavery and Robert E Lee should remain talk-able topics.

Who is banning talking about them

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Squall28 posted...

Now that I think about it, why do minorities like to claim the suffering of their ancestors?

because the first generation of freed slaves were given nothing to jumpstart their new lives as free men--becoming trapped into sharecropping as a result.

generations that followed had their economic growth hamstrung by neighborhood redlining policies that aggressively devalued their real estate, segregated public services (read: education) that were deliberately worse, workplace discrimination designed to undermine those that did make their way through a system that directly opposed them, and a variety of racially targeted economic scams that ran all the way through to the subprime loan crisis in 2008.

and that's not even getting into the problems of mass incarceration. slavery was the first way america hurt black people, not the last.

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Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Democrats are more concerned about bringing statues down than actually doing right by Black Americans.

Removing those eyesores is doing right by Black Americans. It's a small step, but it's a step.


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There were Black people living as slaves as late as the 1960s in the South and possibly later because everyone in
the towns were on code keeping it going including police departments neighbors etc. The way this country has done Black people is absolutely foul

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/the-enslaved-black-people-of-the-1960s-who-did-not-know-slavery-had-ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OXbJHsKB3I

It sounds unfathomable, but these plantations in Mississippi and other states are absolutely huge. There's nowhere and nothing to go to for miles and miles. And if you're caught walking around freely you can see how there can be repercussions not only to you but your family as well by those who want to keep the scheme going

Conception616 posted...

Spoken like someone born from inherent systemic privilege, what a dumb ass post.

Its really not. What should America do? Prostrate itself endlessly for the sins of the past? Apologize self righteously on social media for shit your ancestors did? Or can we try to move on from this endless race baiting bullshit?

Tearing down a historical monument isnt making anything right. Its just a way for people to feel like they somehow fixed the past. We should remember the past so we dont repeat it. Fixing current issues isnt done by attempting to edit the past. Thats ass backwards.

If you feel for the cause, donate some money to a minority family going through struggle and THEN you can actually accomplish something. Even then, they may become offended that you think they think that you to take care of them.

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

It sounds unfathomable, but these plantations in Mississippi and other states are absolutely huge. There's nowhere and nothing to go to for miles and miles. And if you're caught walking around freely you can see how there can be repercussions not only to you but your family as well by those who want to keep the scheme going

Yep. It's pretty fucked up. It's why I have no respect for states like those, and why I have no respect for anyone that still supports the Confederacy.

Kensaimage posted...

Tearing down a historical monument isnt making anything right. Its just a way for people to feel like they somehow fixed the past. We should remember the past so we dont repeat it. Fixing current issues isnt done by attempting to edit the past. Thats ass backwards.

This reads a lot like "If we remove statues, how will we remember what happened?".

We don't need those abominations to remember the atrocious past. We have history books for that. We have museums. We have the families still around to tell the tale. What we have absolutely no use for are Jim Crow statues.


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hey man slavery ended like, centuries ago let it go."

According to Anti-Slavery International, over 27 million people around the world are slaves, and at least 200 million people exist in some form of bondage.

K

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Robert E. Lee didn't even want Confederate statues put up.

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Big_Nabendu posted...

hey man slavery ended like, centuries ago let it go."

According to Anti-Slavery International, over 27 million people around the world are slaves, and at least 200 million people exist in some form of bondage.

K

Don't be an ass. Obviously talking about an American context.

Squall28 posted...

Now that I think about it, why do minorities like to claim the suffering of their ancestors? It's like your ass ain't no slave. You sitting here eating bon bond like everyone else.

Do you think the effects of it ended there? My mom was raised in the south and remembers when some of her family members were lynched, went to school during segregation, and remembers other horrific things that happened to her growing up

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Big_Nabendu posted...

hey man slavery ended like, centuries ago let it go."

According to Anti-Slavery International, over 27 million people around the world are slaves, and at least 200 million people exist in some form of bondage.

K

There are still islands out there that have cannibals are we not allowed to say America has no cannibalism?

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Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

It sounds unfathomable, but these plantations in Mississippi and other states are absolutely huge. There's nowhere and nothing to go to for miles and miles. And if you're caught walking around freely you can see how there can be repercussions not only to you but your family as well by those who want to keep the scheme going

One of the more interesting developments recently is that the people who run tours at these plantations started telling what it was really like on a day to day basis when the plantations were operating. This includes detailed examination of the daily life of the slaves.

Snowflakes who show up expecting Gone With the Wind are butthurt and have taken to whining on social media about it after getting their eyes opened. These are probably the same people who unironically question the need for Black History Month - you know, the shortest, coldest month of the year with events intended to educate about the experiences and contributions of blacks in America.

The Washington Post and other media outlets covered this plantation story in great detail last fall.

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Slavery might have ended "centuries" ago, but I have aunts and uncles that lived through Jim Crow

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brestugo posted...

you know, the shortest, coldest month of the year

I'll be honest, I've heard anti-BHM people and pro-BHM people but this is the first time I've heard "We should have Black History Month, but it shouldn't be February!"

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Slavery might have ended "centuries" ago, but I have aunts and uncles that lived through Jim Crow

It's chilling to talk to your aunts and uncles about what they went through during Jim Crow, if they can talk about it. I can even remember my grandparents talking about it. The movie theatres, restaurants, department stores, hotels, etc. Everywhere you went it was there - including the toilet.

One 'wrong' move could get you arrested, beaten or killed. Every day, we see people who went through that shit too. They're just supposed to act like nothing happened I guess.


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Anteaterking posted...

I'll be honest, I've heard anti-BHM people and pro-BHM people but this is the first time I've heard "We should have Black History Month, but it shouldn't be February!"

At a minimum, it should be a month in which most of the country can comfortably BBQ. I'm only half joking.

(I'm Californian and can cookout 12 months out of the year but February sucks ass in most of the country)

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brestugo posted...

One of the more interesting developments recently is that the people who run tours at these plantations started telling what it was really like on a day to day basis when the plantations were operating. This includes detailed examination of the daily life of the slaves.

Snowflakes who show up expecting Gone With the Wind are butthurt and have taken to whining on social media about it after getting their eyes opened. These are probably the same people who unironically question the need for Black History Month - you know, the shortest, coldest month of the year with events intended to educate about the experiences and contributions of blacks in America.

The Washington Post and other media outlets covered this plantation story in great detail last fall.

Yeah I've heard getting married at Plantations is big business. It's like getting married at Austwitz as if it was a good thing