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RTruthLILJimmy
02/14/20 7:54:24 PM
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...I dont think its possible for a Trump supporter to be a good person.
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Webmaster4531
02/14/20 7:56:11 PM
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RTruthLILJimmy posted...
...I dont think its possible for a Trump supporter to be a good person.
That's because they can't be good people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/us/politics/border-center-migrant-detention.html
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gatorsPENSbucs
02/14/20 8:02:07 PM
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The amount of bigotry in 2 posts is wild.

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bevan306
02/14/20 8:03:58 PM
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it's unfair to generalize like that. Many are just stupid

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Webmaster4531
02/14/20 8:05:46 PM
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bevan306 posted...
it's unfair to generalize like that. Many are just stupid
Ignorance doesn't make someone a good person, just makes it more forgivable.
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Evening_Dragon
02/14/20 8:08:45 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
The amount of bigotry in 2 posts is wild.

I don't think you understand bigotry.

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RTruthLILJimmy
02/15/20 9:06:45 AM
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The typical Republican talking points are reasonable even if I disagree with them. Lower taxes, your money is yours, sure I get it. Abortion, you dont want babies to die, sure I get it. Gun rights, protecting your family, sure I get it.

It just seems like someone who endorses Trump, someone who acts like Trump, someone who thinks like Trump and someone who says the things Trump says cannot be a good person.
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Raikuro
02/15/20 9:29:46 AM
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Watch as the usual suspects try to conflate Trump support with the entire Republican party and half of all Americans
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Antifar
02/15/20 9:33:05 AM
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Raikuro posted...
Watch as the usual suspects try to conflate Trump support with the entire Republican party and half of all Americans

1) Trump routinely has approval of >90% among Republicans.
2) Republicans are not half of all Americans

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
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GenGrievous03
02/15/20 9:36:57 AM
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I disagree. Many just had a crap education, both from family and overly religious school districts, for example, which contributed to their ultra conservative views. In this way, the individual Trump MAGA voter is not the problem, he's merely a symptom of the real problem.

Also, in 2016, especially in those crucial midwestern states which made Hillary lose, Trump actually spoke about their job anxieties. Remember that the rust belt suffered greatly from outsourcing and many industry workers were laid off. Meanwhile, Wall Street Hillary thought she could coast by those states basically just spewing platitudes like "Big meany orange man. Vote for me, I have a vagina". While her policy positions were gross incrementalist centrist garbage, which would further screw the working class

This "all Trump supporters are bigots" nonsense is part of why liberals live in a damn bubble and have no f***** clue as to how to even address working class struggles. All they see is identity politics and woke/cancel culture. Meanwhile, families are trying to put food on the table, they don't give a s*** about that.

And before the flaming starts, I hate Trump, and he's ideologically the exact opposite of me (populist left).

Point is: yeah, Trump is a megalomaniacal cretin who should never have been in the White House. But the reason this carecature of a game show host is even there in the first place is because the democratic establishment are absolutely corrupted and bought by corporate interests. You're a fool if you believe these cretins give a damn about the struggles of the proletariat.

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Raikuro
02/15/20 9:38:23 AM
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Antifar posted...
1) Trump routinely has approval of >90% among Republicans.
2) Republicans are not half of all Americans

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
that's what I was already implying... do you know what conflate means?
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Notti
02/15/20 9:39:03 AM
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Can you really be a good person if you sell yourself out for an obviously corrupt lying thieving con man like Trump?

And at the same time also try to convince us you're the party of "law an order" ?
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Antifar
02/15/20 9:48:01 AM
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Crono99 posted...
But at the same time can you really say that half of american voters are bad people?

Why couldn't you? The fact that there are a lot of them doesn't preclude them from being bad people.
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Webmaster4531
02/15/20 10:15:18 AM
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Crono99 posted...
Does that make me personally guilty by association of every other thing the mayor had done?
Depends how bad of a thing they did and whether you dropped support.
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Romes187
02/15/20 10:17:45 AM
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I think some people just think differently

it shouldnt be a surprise and it shouldnt be hard

if you cant accept that, fine - you just think differently

some are ignorant. Some are really bad people. Some are really good people.

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gatorsPENSbucs
02/15/20 10:18:50 AM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
I don't think you understand bigotry.
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

Is that not the meaning? Ive been thinking it meant that my whole life but I guess everywhere is wrong. Please enlighten me on what it means now.

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Christian RULES
02/15/20 10:24:07 AM
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RTruthLILJimmy posted...
...I dont think its possible for a Trump supporter to be a good person.

I am a Trump supporter and I can attest to the fact this is blatantly wrong. There are good and evil people on all sides. I am a Trump supporter and I am a good person.

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RTruthLILJimmy
02/15/20 10:32:43 AM
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Christian RULES posted...


I am a Trump supporter and I can attest to the fact this is blatantly wrong. There are good and evil people on all sides. I am a Trump supporter and I am a good person.


Are you though? Youre not a good person just because you dont break any laws.
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IShall_Run_Amok
02/15/20 10:41:52 AM
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Their fucked up celebrity worship is causing the deaths of innocent people and bountiful misery for decades to come, and they know this, and persist. They can be the nicest and sweetest people in the world, and I still say to Hell with them.

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Webmaster4531
02/15/20 10:50:09 AM
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Christian RULES posted...
I am a Trump supporter and I can attest to the fact this is blatantly wrong. There are good and evil people on all sides. I am a Trump supporter and I am a good person.
How does lying make you a good person?
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Blue_Inigo
02/15/20 10:53:18 AM
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Crono99 posted...
But at the same time can you really say that half of american voters are bad people?

I mean, if you really care about certain political issues and you vote for the politician who says he shares your views on those issues, does that make you a bad person?

For example, I once voted for someone as mayor because his opponent wanted to build a huge paper factory right in my neighborhood, which would have smelled horrible. But the guy I voted for is also kind of a crook. I didn't care because I didn't want that factory next door. Does that make me personally guilty by association of every other thing the mayor had done?
Can you call yourself a good person if you are voting for someone who locks kids of color in cages and breaks the law? Your vote is a sign of approval and helps give someone a chance at power. Sure you're not personally committing those actions, but you're enabling them.

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IShall_Run_Amok
02/15/20 10:55:19 AM
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HellRatUFO posted...
How do you think we anti-war people felt when Barack Obama was being worshipped and people were making excuses for him whenever his mass-murdering warfare was highlighted? Only in the United States can a brown person like me be racist for thinking it is unacceptable to murder innocent civilians that have never harmed an American. All the repulsive things Trump is able to do, especially the stuff the media never really highlights, is only possible now because people thought Obama was so fucking cool and beyond any criticism.
Cool.

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ButteryMales
02/17/20 2:16:38 AM
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This applies to anyone that votes and happens to overlook and accept hawkish foreign policy positions. Yeah, Trump sucks, no, the self-righteous people complaining about him that normalize war have no high ground on morals.
Trump is on a whole another level.
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OttoGraham
02/17/20 2:18:50 AM
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Trump isn't even a republican, so don't loop us in with that.

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Phantom_Nook
02/17/20 2:23:25 AM
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OttoGraham posted...
Trump isn't even a republican, so don't loop us in with that.

The leader of the Republican party with 90% approval among Republicans isn't a Republican? Makes sense.
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Smackems
02/17/20 2:24:27 AM
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"*insert affiliation here* are bad and evil! We are the good guys!" - Every group ever

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tennisdude818
02/17/20 2:32:38 AM
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ButteryMales posted...
Trump is on a whole another level.

Nothing Trump did was as bad as what Obama and Hillary did to Libya or what Bush did to Iraq. Thats what a whole different level looks like.

That being said, Trump has a terrible foreign policy.

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Smackems
02/17/20 2:34:13 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Nothing Trump did was as bad as what Obama and Hillary did to Libya or what Bush did to Iraq. Thats what a whole different level looks like.

That being said, Trump has a terrible foreign policy.
Now now, you can only have one view of Trump; negative on everything. Nuance is bad mmkay

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ButteryMales
02/17/20 2:35:35 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Nothing Trump did was as bad as what Obama and Hillary did to Libya or what Bush did to Iraq. Thats what a whole different level looks like.

That being said, Trump has a terrible foreign policy.
The worst things Trump has done are domestic policy.
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tennisdude818
02/17/20 2:37:27 AM
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My point still stands.

Edit: His foreign policy is worse anyway. What he has supported in Yemen is awful.

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ButteryMales
02/17/20 2:38:15 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
My point still stands
How?
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tennisdude818
02/17/20 2:42:46 AM
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ButteryMales posted...
How?

nothing going on on our southern border is comparable to the carnage we enabled and participate in in the ME. Dont let the corporate media determine what outrages you. The fact that they dont give a shit about brown kids dying the the ME doesnt make it any less bad.

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tennisdude818
02/17/20 2:44:53 AM
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The entire Assad must go crowd in our government extended a terrible civil war when they armed Jihadis to fight for them. And thats just Syria.

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ButteryMales
02/17/20 2:48:22 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
nothing going on on our southern border is comparable to the carnage we enabled and participate in in the ME. Dont let the corporate media determine what outrages you. The fact that they dont give a shit about brown kids dying the the ME doesnt make it any less bad.
So Trump is equal in foreign policy and much worse in domestic. Yeah, your point isn't standing at all.
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UnholyMudcrab
02/17/20 2:54:02 AM
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There are two kinds of Trump supporters: the gullible and the evil

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tennisdude818
02/17/20 2:54:53 AM
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ButteryMales posted...
So Trump is equal in foreign policy and much worse in domestic. Yeah, your point isn't standing at all.

he didnt topple the Libyan government. Im not going easy on Trump here, Im just holding them all to the same standard. None of the liberals who clutch their pearls over deportations of brown kids cared when Obama toppled a foreign government and sent the entire country to shit.

If Trump starts a war in Iran, he will be the worst of all the presidents I mentioned.


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ButteryMales
02/17/20 2:58:01 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
None of the liberals who clutch their pearls over deportations of brown kids cared when Obama toppled a foreign government and sent the entire country to shit.
Bernie Sanders is a pacifist.

You keep acting like domestic suffering doesn't matter.
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tennisdude818
02/17/20 3:03:48 AM
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ButteryMales posted...
Bernie Sanders is a pacifist.

You keep acting like domestic suffering doesn't matter.

Hes not. He says good things but the only good part of his record is the Iraq war no vote. He supported US intervention in Lybia.

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ButteryMales
02/17/20 3:21:47 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Hes not. He says good things but the only good part of his record is the Iraq war no vote. He supported US intervention in Lybia.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/dec/22/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-bernie-sanders-voted-get-rid-/

The resolution called for peaceful regime change, saying Gaddafi should "desist from further violence, recognize the Libyan peoples demand for democratic change, resign his position and permit a peaceful transition to democracy."

A Senate resolution carries very little weight. It has no legal teeth and is more like a statement expressing the general "sense of Congress," said Joshua Huder, senior fellow at the Government Affairs Institute at Georgetown University.

Wow, what a war monger.
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