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Balrog0
02/19/20 11:58:51 AM
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is anyone suggesting Sanders has an insurmountable advantage? the best predictions are saying he's gonna get 41% of the delegates if nothing changes which is hardly a clear cut victory

that doesn't mean Warren has a chance though


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Antifar
02/19/20 12:04:49 PM
#205:


Balrog0 posted...
the best predictions are saying he's gonna get 41% of the delegates if nothing changes

Just a note that I think the projection you're referring to was just through Super Tuesday.
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DaveTheUseless
02/19/20 12:08:00 PM
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I view the Dem primary as having one of two endings: Sanders gets the delegates and the Dems begrudgingly nominate him, or Bloomberg buys a contested convention.

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Kazi1212
02/19/20 2:29:32 PM
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How's Sanders looking in NY and CA? Whats the likelihood of a brokered convention given Sanders isn't likely to get majority of delegates?

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Mecha Sonic
02/19/20 2:31:44 PM
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i feel like in a brokered convention scenario where sanders has 40% of delegates, barack obama is going to lean pretty hard on the party to give it to sanders

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Kazi1212
02/19/20 2:32:48 PM
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lmao if you think Obama is backing Sanders, if anything he would be against him given what he has said about Sanders

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Doom_Art
02/19/20 2:33:39 PM
#210:


Kazi1212 posted...
How's Sanders looking in NY and CA? Whats the likelihood of a brokered convention given Sanders isn't likely to get majority of delegates?
Bernie is ahead by double digits in CA and NY has barely been polled this cycle so we don't know.

And as far as I'm aware, Bernie clinching the majority of delegates is still considered more likely than a brokered convention

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Doom_Art
02/19/20 2:34:05 PM
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Also Kazi why are ya here. Ya ain't a lefty or a Dem?

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The Trent
02/19/20 2:34:47 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Also Kazi why are ya here. Ya ain't a lefty or a Dem?

the fuck lol

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Kazi1212
02/19/20 2:35:05 PM
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Its fun stuff, just a sports league for me tbh and its the playoffs. Though I do want Sanders to win just to see if he can deliver

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Smashingpmkns
02/19/20 2:35:22 PM
#214:


Kazi1212 posted...
lmao if you think Obama is backing Sanders, if anything he would be against him given what he has said about Sanders


He's already stated he wont speak out against Sanders. The worst thing he'll do/is doing is allowing every other candidate to pretend like he's endorsed them by putting his soundbites in all of their ads.
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foreverzero212
02/19/20 2:35:22 PM
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Obama out there having no problem with Bloomberg running ads making it look like he got his endorsement tells you all you need to know about him.

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Doom_Art
02/19/20 2:37:15 PM
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The Trent posted...
the fuck lol
it's just an odd topic for him to pop into is what i'm saying lol

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foreverzero212
02/19/20 2:37:34 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Obama hasnt spoken out against anyone using him in their ads, its not just Bloomberg.
Who else has made it look like they received his endorsement besides Biden saying they were pals that got stuff done.

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Smashingpmkns
02/19/20 2:39:16 PM
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foreverzero212 posted...
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Who else has made it look like they received his endorsement besides Biden saying they were pals that got stuff done.


Warren has multiple ads with a soundbite of Obama praising her. The only candidate that doesn't is probably Pete (who's basically impersonating his voice lmao) and maybe Klob. And of course Bernie.
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Antifar
02/19/20 2:40:38 PM
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The difference with Bloomberg is the sheer volume of ads, especially in states with later primaries where other candidates don't have any on the air yet.
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Antifar
02/19/20 2:46:32 PM
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https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1230207883721179136?s=19

Joe actually has endorsed Republicans
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GrandConjuraton
02/19/20 2:49:37 PM
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Mecha Sonic
02/19/20 2:52:34 PM
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obama is a neutral party in this nomination. he could have come out for biden a year ago and didn't. obama probably hates bloomberg even more than he hates bernie tbh, but the fact of the matter is, he's going to push for party unity at a brokered convention and support the plurality winner, he's going to campaign for bernie if bernie wins and campaign for bloomberg if bloomberg wins.

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Balrog0
02/19/20 2:52:35 PM
#225:


GrandConjuraton posted...
https://www.uml.edu/docs/2020-SC-Primary-topline_tcm18-322374.pdf

Very interesting.

Unrelated but Bloomberg picked up an endorsement from the south Carolina house minority leader

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MrToothHasYou
02/19/20 3:00:33 PM
#227:


GrandConjuraton posted...
https://www.uml.edu/docs/2020-SC-Primary-topline_tcm18-322374.pdf
Some interesting numbers there, but a small sample size means a huge margin of error, so you gotta take it with a pretty big grain of salt.

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DaveTheUseless
02/19/20 3:08:39 PM
#228:


Remember the people who swooned over Biden when he was President, particularly over social issues

Those people don't seem to like him anymore

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Cheater87
02/19/20 3:11:46 PM
#230:


Will the DNC try to rig it for Bloomberg or Biden this time, anything to destroy Bernie.

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DaveTheUseless
02/19/20 3:15:14 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
I cant say I remember any swooning over Biden in regards to social issues during his vice presidency but

how soon people forget

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Balrog0
02/19/20 3:25:02 PM
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Biden was widely praised for moving forward on gay marriage before Obama and forcing the president's hand on the issue. I think that must be the reference.

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Smashingpmkns
02/19/20 3:45:05 PM
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Antifar
02/19/20 4:05:02 PM
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A former Republican urging moderate Dems not to get on board the Bloomberg train so fast

https://thebulwark.com/the-skeptics-case-against-bloomberg/
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IfGodCouldDie
02/19/20 5:54:09 PM
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Wait, how is money being directly funneled into a campaign mean anything? If most of the people working on your campaign volunteers what, other than tv ads and venues would most candidates be needing money for?

(I'm asking as someone that doesn't really follow the intricacies of campaigning.)

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Zanzenburger
02/19/20 6:09:05 PM
#238:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Wait, how is money being directly funneled into a campaign mean anything? If most of the people working on your campaign volunteers what, other than tv ads and venues would most candidates be needing money for?

(I'm asking as someone that doesn't really follow the intricacies of campaigning.)
Many staffers are paid, particularly those that organize the volunteers. Marketing is also expensive.

Consider yard signs, t shirts, travel to rallies, security detail, and that's not even getting to expensive TV ads and internet ads.

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Antifar
02/19/20 6:10:24 PM
#239:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Wait, how is money being directly funneled into a campaign mean anything? If most of the people working on your campaign volunteers what, other than tv ads and venues would most candidates be needing money for?

TV ads are a big expense, but also there are a good amount of people working on campaigns who are not volunteers. Bloomberg is offering people $150 each to do memes for him, $2400 a month to be on his staff.

And he's giving away a lot of free food at his events:

https://www.eater.com/2020/2/18/21140518/mike-bloomberg-campaign-spending-free-food-voting-democrat-primary
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IfGodCouldDie
02/19/20 6:19:19 PM
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Ok that's fair, I do suppose it begs the question of how many people are being paid by other candidates that are just taking the pay cheques but will vote for Bernie anyways because they support their own best interests.

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MachineJaipur
02/19/20 6:21:33 PM
#241:


Honestly I'm interested in hearing Bloomberg talk policy instead of his hohum "I did this" tv/radio ads.

I don't care what you've done, I mean I do if you did something fucked or shitty, but I care more about what you intend to do and I feel like I know nothing about what he intends to do besides be "Trump but with a D"
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Broseph_Stalin
02/19/20 6:24:04 PM
#242:


MachineJaipur posted...
I don't care what you've done, but I care more about what you intend to do

this is a really bad way to pick a candidate

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MachineJaipur
02/19/20 6:27:10 PM
#243:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
this is a really bad way to pick a candidate
I'm not voting for Bloomberg regardless unless it's him Vs Trump and that'll just be another anti-Trump vote.

But I want to know his intentions.
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Kazi1212
02/19/20 6:49:42 PM
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Sanders refusing to release full medical reports following heart attack. Hmmm

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Balrog0
02/19/20 6:55:01 PM
#245:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
this is a really bad way to pick a candidate

Word

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Intro2Logic
02/19/20 7:16:31 PM
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https://twitter.com/Oda_CM/status/1230212752620179456

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Doom_Art
02/19/20 8:21:21 PM
#247:


Kazi1212 posted...
Sanders refusing to release full medical reports following heart attack. Hmmm
Aren't you a Trump supporter

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Doom_Art
02/19/20 8:25:36 PM
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Also I'm fairly certain he's released stuff from like several doctors who've examined him

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MaxEffingBemis
02/19/20 8:30:01 PM
#249:


Doom_Art posted...
Also I'm fairly certain he's released stuff from like several doctors who've examined him
This, and back in December too

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Smashingpmkns
02/19/20 8:34:21 PM
#250:


Doom_Art posted...
Also I'm fairly certain he's released stuff from like several doctors who've examined him


He's released just as much, if not more, than any other candidate running. Most people screaming for a "full medical report" don't know what the fuck they're talking about and are only doing so to mislead uninformed voters.
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MachineJaipur
02/19/20 8:41:06 PM
#251:


Smashingpmkns posted...
He's released just as much, if not more, than any other candidate running. Most people screaming for a "full medical report" don't know what the fuck they're talking about and are only doing so to mislead uninformed voters.
They want the medical report that says "Yep, he's dead in the next 4 years" or "Nah, fam he fine"
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