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Crepes posted...

Cool story bro.

Try finding this picture online anywhere else:


I could post these for days.

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Stop it I'm scared

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Ssjevot dont even bother getting frustrated with people on this site

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Quarantine order and ticket stub:


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Please that scared me

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Awesome posted...

Ssjevot dont even bother getting frustrated with people on this site

At this point it's just about everyone else seeing how full of it he is. Last thing we need is people actually believing execution vans are rounding people up on the streets.

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Who the hell is talking about execution vans? Must have them on ignore.

I got warned for far less than that in the last topic.

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solosnake posted...

Who the hell is talking about execution vans? Must have them on ignore.

I got warned for far less than that in the last topic.

They absolutely should be warned for posting stuff like that. I thought there was a rule against fake news?

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ssjevot posted...

They absolutely should be warned for posting stuff like that. I thought there was a rule against fake news?

The reason i was given for being warned for talking about the harvard professor that was arrested in connection to Wuhan was #CONSPIRACY

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Execution vans are troubling but this coronavirus is scary

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A Chinese Doctor infected with #coronavirus talks about his experience with the disease.

https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1226157992929845248

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Fuck that's scary man

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ssjevot posted...

They absolutely should be warned for posting stuff like that. I thought there was a rule against fake news?

This whole thread is full of fake news.

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Crepes posted...

This whole thread is full of fake news.

You literally just posted some and then accused me of making up being in Wuhan.

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Izual you are truly shameless

DoctorVader posted...

you spoiled a major plot reveal and as well as the ending the night before the movie came out

don't spoil the movie fucking ruined it for others crepes gawd damnit.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak

The proportion of new cases compared to number of infected has been slowing down from the 27th Jan. Starting at 64% on the 27th and now at 11% as of the 7th Feb. This is great news and shows the measures put in place are working.

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ssjevot posted...

Try finding this picture online anywhere else:


I could post these for days.

It really says something about US airlines that a last second thrown together evacuation flight looks so much more spacious than a regular commercial airline

Look! You can actually fit two people walking opposite directions down the aisle! I mean that is unheard of.

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Obviously airlines try to make the best possible use of each plane, fitting as many people as possible to save fuel costs and earning the most possible money from customers. Have you heard of overbooking incidents?


I imagine in this case they picked a plane designed for other things and filled it with as many chairs as necessary

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PatrickMahomes posted...

It really says something about US airlines that a last second thrown together evacuation flight looks so much more spacious than a regular commercial airline

Look! You can actually fit two people walking opposite directions down the aisle! I mean that is unheard of.

That was a converted JAL cargo plane (the signs were even still in Japanese). It wasn't meant for people to fly in. There was no power for the seats (those screens mean nothing, seats were randomly taken from other planes) no heat, the toilets didn't work correctly. It was not an enjoyable flight. But I will say we had very little turbulence.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Obviously airlines try to make the best possible use of each plane, fitting as many people as possible to save fuel costs and earning the most possible money from customers. Have you heard of overbooking incidents?


I imagine in this case they picked a plane designed for other things and filled it with as many chairs as necessary

actually most planes make more money off the first class and business sections than they do economy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BzB5xtGGsTc


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Desperate wife wailing for help on the balcony. Husband is dying at home. No help from the government

https://twitter.com/HimalayaGlobal/status/1226244920043802625

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A leak has come from a Wuhan Hospital via 4chan. Leaker states between 200-400 deaths a day. Much higher fatality rate. God help us.

https://twitter.com/Carlsportsmedia/status/1226224932784394240

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5 British people have been diagnosed with #coronavirus in France during a skiing holiday. The victims, one of whom is a child, were staying in the same ski resort chalet and were infected when one of the group came into contact with someone who had been in Singapore. (TELEGRAPH)

https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1226228277041336321


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Well if it's on 4chan

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Doom_Art posted...

Well if it's on 4chan

If you look at the photos, he has a verification post from inside the hospital. Like everything though, use your own judgement.

Regardless, it is fairly obvious at this point that China is not being transparent in the slightest. They have tried covering this up from day 1, when they threatened the martyred doctor with silence in prison for trying to warn his co-workers

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solosnake posted...

A leak has come from a Wuhan Hospital via 4chan. Leaker states between 200-400 deaths a day. Much higher fatality rate. God help us.

https://twitter.com/Carlsportsmedia/status/1226224932784394240

That one is actually pretty fucking worrisome, when you look at the guy's actual posts.

He could still be lying about the details, but he is posting from the hospital.

Why he would bother lying when what he has done can already get him killed is beyond me.

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The only thing that makes me skeptical is if that is the case where it's freakishly virulent and the mortality rate is THAT high then why is that not reflected in the outbreaks in the rest of China or in other countries?

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If they can cover it up about one city, then they can cover it up about the whole country.
As for the rest of the world... pure luck at the moment?

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Doom_Art posted...

The only thing that makes me skeptical is if that is the case where it's freakishly virulent and the mortality rate is THAT high then why is that not reflected in the outbreaks in the rest of China or in other countries?

There could be a few reason for this.

1. They locked down Wuhan and surrounding areas in time to slow the infection rate.
2. This disease takes time, there could be more cases in the coming weeks.
3. People start with relatively minor symptoms, similar to a common cold.
4. Deaths are being tallied as pneumonia and not Coronavirus
5. People are dying locked inside their homes and arent being counted

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Doom_Art posted...

why is that not reflected in the outbreaks in the rest of China or in other countries?

There are many explanations, like the incubation time being much more than 2 weeks, like the virus killing after a longer time of no symptoms at all, like countries outside China keeping deaths secret to stop a panic from letting the virus go out of control.

It's all theories however and I doubt the whole world would stay silent like this if the virus was this dangerous. Most who get infected show symptoms within 4-5 days and symptoms like pneumonia would be a red flag that'd make governments aware of infections outside the known infection chain, we would be seeing doctors in full protection suits everywhere.

So yeah, my opinion is, if the incubation time is truly 1-14 days with most showing up within 4-5 days, most countries may have it under control. Meanwhile China got screwed coz it's the outbreak source (it hit them before they could take effective action against it), coz they gather in masses and coz of the dense population. Then they had that Wuhan food festival, people gathering in hospitals in masses and people gathering for protests.

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Singapore 7 new cases 4 now in critical condition.

Here's something I got on my WeChat:

CLSA Conference call with Coronavirus expert

Overnight in Asia, we hosted a call with professor John Nicholls a clinical professor in pathology at the University of Hong Kong and expert on coronaviruses. He was a key member of the research team at the University of Hong Kong which isolated and characterized the novel SARS coronavirus in 2003. Hes been studying coronaviruses for 25 years.

Below is an abstract for the laymen.

*Quick summary*: look at the fatality rate outside of Wuhan - its below 1%. The correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a bad cold which kills people who already have other health issues. This virus will burn itself out in May when temperatures rise. Wash your hands.

1. What is the actual scale of the outbreak? How much larger is it compared to the official confirmed cases?

People are saying a 2.2 to 2.4% fatality rate total. However recent information is very worthy - if you look at the cases outside of China the mortality rate is <1%. [Only 2 fatalities outside of mainland China]. 2 potential reasons 1) either chinas healthcare isnt as good thats probably not the case 2) What is probably right is that just as with SARS theres probably much stricter guidelines in mainland China for a case to be considered positive. So the 20,000 cases in China is probably only the severe cases; the folks that actually went to the hospital and got tested.

The Chinese healthcare system is very overwhelmed with all the tests going through. So my thinking is this is actually not as severe a disease as is being suggested. The fatality rate is probably only 0.8%-1%. Basically, this is a severe form of the cold.

2. Your colleague at HKU estimated that the size of the infected population on Jan 25th was 75K with a doubling time of 6.4 days. So by 1 Feb we would have 150k infected. How accurate do you think these models are and how accurate have they been in the past?

Those figures did not take into account restriction on travel, quarantine etc These reports are likely on the high side. This is not taking into account social distancing. Historically these models have not been all that accurate.

3. When do you think this thing will peak?

*Three things the virus does not like 1) sunlight 2) temperature and 3) humidity.*

Sunlight is really good at killing viruses. Thats why I believe that Australia and the southern hemisphere will not see any great infection rates because they have lots of sunlight and they are in the middle of summer. And Wuhan and Beijing is still cold which is why theres high infection rate.

As regards temperature, the virus can remain intact at 4 or 10 degrees for a longer period of time. But at 30 degrees then you get inactivation.

The virus doesnt like high humidity either. Thats why I think Sars stopped around May and June in 2003. The environment will be unfavourable for growth around May. The evidence is to look at the common cold its always during winter. So the natural environment will not be favourable in Asia in about May.

*The second factor is that of personal contact.*

With Sars *once it was discovered that the virus spread through the fecal oral route there was much less emphasis on the masks and far more emphasis on disinfection and washing hands*. HK has far more cleanliness (than China) and they are very aware of social hygiene. And other countries will be more aware of the social hygiene (than China). So in those countries you should see less outbreaks and spreading.

A couple days ago the fecal-oral route of transmission was confirmed in Shenzhen. In China, most of the latrines are open- theres more chance of the virus being spread.

4. Have we seen any super spreaders? We saw that with Sars and Mers.

Theres talk about that but the epidemiologists are still overwhelmed so no clear answer. But I dont think there are any super spreaders.

5. What is the percentage of people transmitting the virus while being asymptomatic?

Patients were symptomatic at about day 5, some of these cases may be asymptomatic until about day 7. Thats based on the first publications. Asymptomatic is probably the first 5 days.

Theres a paper published looking at a familial cluster with a boy who was shedding the virus and he was asymptomatic.

Thats something about kids and we saw with Sars. Very few kids had very severe disease. We are trying to determine if this is a virus which we call low (unintelligible) kind of inducer or high (unintelligible) kind of inducer. SARS is high [unintelligible] kind of inducer. This means that when it infects the lower part of the lung, the body develops a very severe reaction against it and leads to lots of inflammation and scarring. In SARS what we found is that after the first 10 to 15 days it wasnt the virus killing the patients it was the bodys reaction.

We are doing testing on this now. Is this virus in the MERS or SARS kind picture or is this the other type of virus which is a milder coronavirus like the NL63 or the 229. I think this will be a mild (unintelligible) kind inducer.

6. Are you seeing any difference among the young population and older population in terms of mortality rate?

SARS went really for people in their 30 or 50 years. And MERS on the other hand basically people who have co-morbidity.

The data coming out of China seems to indicate that its those with co-morbidity are most at risk. For the seasonal influenza thats also what we find. Its the people with co-morbidity that have a higher mortality rate.

This looks more like the seasonal influenza where those who die have co-morbidity. Now that we have better case control definitions outside of mainland China, we will get a true assessment of the fatality rate. I would now put it at about 0.8% to 1% when you look at all the death reports.

At this stage its a really bad cold which can cause problems in people. People are talking about the lethal virus but seasonal influenza can cause deaths in elderly but we dont call that the lethal influenza

7. Theres news reports that antivirals are being used and that its working what are your thoughts on that?

With SARS it didnt seem to work at all with the commercially available antivirals. But there seems to be good effects with the case in Washington with the Gilead agent. And it sounds like China will be using it.

Interferon works and it has quite a bit of benefit.

8. The recovery rate now is higher than the deaths rate? What does it mean for a patient to have recovered?

What we found is that in HK with SARS we didnt know how long to treat a patient for. Now in C

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9. What is the probability that this will be contained and eradicated or will it be endemic in the human population?

If it is like SARS it will not be endemic. It most likely will be a hit and run just like SARS. People talk about mutation but what we found with SARS was that there was no mutation and we have been tracking MERS and we have not seen any severe mutation. This is unlike the common coronavirus which when they replicate they dont have a spell check so they mutate. So if this virus follows the same path as SARS or MERS it wont mutate. This will not be endemic. I think it will burn itself out in about 6 months.

10. Does mortality rate typically increase over time? That was apparently the case with SARS.

With SARS we didnt know how long the virus was alive for. So with SARS in the later stages people were not dying of SARS but of the complications of SARS which is why the mortality rate increased. But now people are much more aware of the dangers of over immunosuppression. So the death rate shouldnt be more severe.

In Hubei, the milder cases are not making it to the hospital. Because they are so overwhelmed that milder cases are being sent away. So thats why its important not to look at the mortality rate in Wuhan but to look at the mortality rate in Shanghai or Shenzhen or outside of Wuhan. Its very important to dissect it out.

No crazy conspiracies. Just probable under-reporting in Wuhan/Hubei due to logistics and the increased load of cases causing a higher mortality rate than elsewhere.

Footage of an infected man having a nervous breakdown "I'm desperate! I feel like killing someone right now!" Then he collapsed

https://twitter.com/HimalayaGlobal/status/1226269542638182400

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solosnake posted...

The victims, one of whom is a child, were staying in the same ski resort chalet and were infected when one of the group came into contact with someone who had been in Singapore

this is what happens when we got virus riddled people interacting with the healthy. everyone will get it and it will spread.

bastards (china is totally covering up the actual death count).

A couple from Oregon don't say portland :( or else panic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8JTjHo6fiU

A couple from Oregon interviewed in quarantine

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Crepes posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak

The proportion of new cases compared to number of infected has been slowing down from the 27th Jan. Starting at 64% on the 27th and now at 11% as of the 7th Feb. This is great news and shows the measures put in place are working.

down to 6%

people need to calm down. The virus is dying out.

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Healthy citizen From Hangzhou describes conditions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQq7sBgvqMY

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People inside this apartment building are being quarantined due to #coronavirus. A worker welds exit doors shut, so they dont escape from the building.

https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1226257744208027650

A woman is getting arrested by Chinese police for not wearing the face mask.

https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1226273554012024833

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Yeah this thing will have subsided in a month. Gone by summer I bet.

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Baodi district has just been locked down, not allowed to travel to Beijing and the normal 1 person every 2 days to buy food.

Woah, welding a bar on a door to lock them in is kind of scary

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https://www.scmp.com/tech/apps-social/article/3049583/china-tightens-censorship-coronavirus-authorities-boost-propaganda

Should we be happy about this ? It will mean there will be a drastic reduction of those fear mongering twits.

jwlim80 posted...

https://www.scmp.com/tech/apps-social/article/3049583/china-tightens-censorship-coronavirus-authorities-boost-propaganda

Should we be happy about this ? It will mean there will be a drastic reduction of those fear mongering twits.

Hey, if we dont know about it, it doesnt exist right?

In any case Im sure some of the mods will be ecstatic with this news

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Solosnake is the scariest poster on www.gamefaqs.gamespot.com

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solosnake posted...

Hey, if we dont know about it, it doesnt exist right?

Correct. Food for thought.

Is China hiding something or are they really trying to quell a uncontrollable mass panic over something minor ?

Data from http://windy.com shows a massive release of sulfur dioxide gas from the outskirts of Wuhan, commonly associated with the burning of organic matters. Levels are elevated, even compared with the rest of China.

https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1226267582740811777

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