Current Events > What do you think of the Men's Rights Movement?

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Unfairly treated by the mainstream media? IIRC there was that feminist who changed her views after getting to know them, and did a documentary on it

Great in theory, but like with MGTOW, is a lightning rod for actual woman-hating loners.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Great in theory, but like with MGTOW, is a lightning rod for actual woman-hating loners.

That

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I think it's nothing but a good thing

Equal rights is something everyone should always strive for. People are quick to not care about inequality
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Mostly silly.

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If I wanted to join a movement where men are bitter towards women I'd join a dying video game message board.

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Darmik posted...

If I wanted to join a movement where men are bitter towards women I'd join a dying video game message board.

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...
Great in theory, but like with MGTOW, is a lightning rod for actual woman-hating loners.
That

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I think it's nothing but a good thing

Equal rights is something everyone should always strive for. People are quick to not care about inequality

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Both sexes have to deal with sex-specific problems in society in and it's a good thing that both have an advocacy group.
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Joke movement for a serious matter.

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It's just pushback, just like HAES or It' s Ok to be White

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It's a niche, basically internet-only movement in the US, but it's pretty mainstream in Japan. For example, "" is a common saying. I feel like it's the consensus in Japan that men work harder than women, and that more women should share the burden of society in 2020, the only debate being how that burden should be distributed.

miki_sauvester posted...

It's a niche, basically internet-only movement in the US, but it's pretty mainstream in Japan. I feel like it's the consensus in Japan that men work harder than women, and that more women should share the burden of society in 2020, the only debate being how that burden should be distributed.

That's the country where women need to have their own carriages because of the constant groping yeah

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Darmik posted...

That's the country where women need to have their own carriages because of the constant groping yeah

and companies can then from wearing glasses and make them wear menstruation badges when on their periods
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There are real issues only men face, but it seems the activism attracts a lot of anti-feminist types and those who have been or feel scorned by women or society.

I prefer stuff like MensLib. I think working together with feminists instead of going to war would benefit MRAs much more than their current projectory.

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I try not to. These movements always devolve into pathetic lunacy.

In theory I agree that men's right is an issue to be looked at.

In actuality all I see these organizations do is cry about how its unfair that they have to pay child support when a woman can choose to have an abortion and issues of a similarly women-hating nature.
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Darmik posted...

If I wanted to join a movement where men are bitter towards women I'd join a dying video game message board.

and thats the end of the topic. how many suspensions did you save? over or under 2?

I'd like if there was a movement focused on how certain laws disproportionately affect men negatively and maybe on the negative cultural expectations and practices that screw men up

Unfortunately the men's rights movement consists of a bunch of incels bitching about women not fucking them or creepy redpill shit

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Seriously, period badges?

Why?

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I think phrasing your 'movement' in terms of rights as if mens issues in 2020 are in any way comparable to civil rights movements of the past is getting off on a really bad footing and generally the people advocating such a movement have bad politics. So it's not a good combo in all

UnfairRepresent posted...

and companies can then from wearing glasses and make them wear menstruation badges when on their periods

The period badges were kind of weird and gross, but as I recall the story that was an option made available for women, not something they were made to wear. So I think you're unfairly representing the situation.
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Men's rights activists tend to wind up doing the radical feminist thing and start focusing on how terrible the opposite sex is.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

The period badges were kind of weird and gross, but as I recall the story that was an option made available for women, not something they were made to wear. So I think you're unfairly representing the situation.

"The women are lying to you ! They actually like it!"
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often ended up as Men's Wrong Movement.

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There are a few issues that disproportionally affect men, and a movement against each of those issues individually is fine (like prison rape). However, the MRA movement has the mission statement that society now treats men worse than women, and that men are the ones that need liberation now. Which is absolutely ridiculous and wrong, and attracts dangerous misogynists.

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A ultimately meaningless movement that's failed to accomplish anything in its entire existence. This is why more and more man are going MGTOW instead. Becuase changing the system is a completely futile endeavor.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Great in theory, but like with MGTOW, is a lightning rod for actual woman-hating loners.

But why is it ok for feminists to hate men?

I think it's GREAT !!

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Great in theory, but like with MGTOW, is a lightning rod for actual woman-hating loners.

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Twi1ightSpark1e posted...

But why is it ok for feminists to hate men?

Where did I imply that?

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DarkChozoGhost posted...

There are a few issues that disproportionally affect men, and a movement against each of those issues individually is fine (like prison rape). However, the MRA movement has the mission statement that society now treats men worse than women, and that men are the ones that need liberation now. Which is absolutely ridiculous and wrong, and attracts dangerous misogynists.

This.

Also they tend to paint feminists as anti-male and claim that they hypocritically do things to benefit women while being totally cool with these things, when the fact is that feminists usually acknowledge that the patriarchy hurts men in many ways such as this. Part of the idea behind "toxic" parts of masculinity is that they hurt men as well as women.

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Doom_Art posted...

I'd like if there was a movement focused on how certain laws disproportionately affect men negatively and maybe on the negative cultural expectations and practices that screw men up

Unfortunately the men's rights movement consists of a bunch of incels bitching about women not fucking them or creepy redpill shit

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Great in theory, but like with MGTOW, is a lightning rod for actual woman-hating loners.

this.
The idea is good, and there is a need for such a movement, but a combination of 2 factors messed it up:

• many, MANY woman-hating losers in said group and
• radical feminists doing everything they can to smear such a movement (even if the members were normal people)

HellRatUFO posted...

are afraid of and or hate women

I've always been curious... what does this phrase really mean?

Like, do they see themselves as physically weaker or psychologically weaker than women and therefore are actually AFRAID of them?

The woman-hate and woman-bitterness thing I get, but the word fear not so much....

It could have been a legit thing in some instances, but it probably would have been included in larger and more reasonable movements even in those instances. Concerns about working disproportionately dangerous jobs could be addressed through the labor and education reform movement. Concerns about anti male bias in the justice system could be handled by the judicial reform movement.

But we didn't even get that far. Because what happened in reality is people claimed they wanted to focus on men's issues, but never actually did that, even when talking to each other. Instead, they attacked feminism, feminists, and women in general. It's been completely reactionary in practice. You see it even on this board, when someone claims they are an MRA or claims they want to talk about men's issues, it's usually in the middle of a topic on something feminist as an example of Whataboutism.

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shockthemonkey posted...

I wish the Mens Right Movement was more focused on mens rights and less focused on fighting feminists

I dont know if I would put mens rights in the same discussion with feminism, though.

You ever tried bringing up the topic of mens rights on a female-dominated feminism board? Nothing but ridicule. Its all male tears are delicious or you must be a virgin living in your Moms basement kind of responses.

They dont take it seriously and theres a good chance you get banned, blocked or ignored, if you try to continue pushing it for civil discussion.

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A bout of unintentional parody that wants to be serious. They would make valid points if it was intentional parody which is where I think it may have started. You know, some guys decide to go out and see how others like having arbitrarily chosen circumstances that happen to hurt men more than women and blame the other sex for it, and see how they like it. \

As such the responses to them serve to make points they may or may not be meaning to make

-people focus on trying to make the world equal mostly if not only if that benefits them. It's truly rare for a group to ask if they have privileges of their own they have to share if they want others to share with them.

-activists are often hypocrites that will try and vilify or assume the worst is the norm when presented with people asking them to follow their own standards when it stops benefiting them.

-people can not look at that bad parody of them long enough to ask if this is how I'm seen, or even how I or others in my group are. (If I think much of what they say is coded language, can mine also be?)

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Where did I imply that?

I'm not, it's just in general.

there are many areas in society where men are mistreated and that needs to be addressed
such as child custody cases where courts almost always rule in the mothers favor even if the father would be a better caretaker

these sort of issues do affect men negatively
but mens right movements tend to just turn into anti woman circle jerks and that overshadows anything else

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

I dont know if I would put mens rights in the same discussion with feminism, though.

You ever tried bringing up the topic of mens rights on a female-dominated feminism board? Nothing but ridicule. Its all male tears are delicious or you must be a virgin living in your Moms basement kind of responses.

They dont take it seriously and theres a good chance you get banned, blocked or ignored, if you try to continue pushing it for civil discussion.

Don't try to derail a conversation about women's rights and you'll probably be fine. I've made all sorts of men's rights arguments in feminist settings usually to general agreement.

Discus the problem.
Discuss solutions.
Indicate why said solutions are goid for everybody.

Easy wins: male suicide, paternity leave, mental health, toxic masculinity.

MRA groups unfortunately cater to anti-women underpinnings, but I think that's just a consequence of the insular nature of internet groups. Open IRL groups or professional writings focus on men's issues and don't put up with anti-women BS.

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